Danny Gorrer Cut

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1346694598' post='1138174']
I think its obvious why we cut Gorrer and not Considine... We got the new guy to add depth at safety. Why would we cut a safety, to make room for a safety, when the goal is to improve depth at safety? We have solid depth at CB and could afford to release Gorrer. I mean before we added this dude, what depth did we have at safety? Nothing! But we had plenty at CB.
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Sure, but we better hope and pray that Cary/Jimmy don't get hurt. And why Gorrer and not Chykie Brown?

[GrimCoconut]

I'm going to touch on a few points here:

1. Cutting Chykie Brown: this is crazy. I love Gorrer myself but it makes no sense to cut Brown. I have been impressed by him. He has a good frame and if he puts it together he can be very effective. He has long arms, which is a huge plus.

2. Safety Depth vs. Cornerback Depth: The Raven said that the reason we signed another safety was because we needed more depth there. Perhaps that is true. My problem with your logic, though, is that Graham has said he can play safety and is effective there. Add in Thompson (rookie), Reed, Pollard and you have a nice safety group. Really, I don't think we will ever see 3 safety sets but you never know. I would rather see sets with Graham at safety, though. I think those would be effective.

3. Cutting Considine: I see no reason to keep him. I don't see how he is one of the top 53 men on the roster. Then again, I am not an actual coach and have not seen the practices except the Annapolis one. I see no reason why we should have kept Considine over Gorrer. My problem with Considine is that I did not like what I saw from him against the Lions on special teams, let alone the defense. He got shut down at certain points in that game. While I can't remember when, I do remember being disappointed being as he was supposed to upgrade our ST.

4. Danny Gorrer Returns: I won't get upset yet, because until another team signs him we may get him back. I know I'm moving through the stages of denial here, but I am holding out hope of a return.

5. Danny Gorrer Walks: people say he would walk next year so there's no point in keeping him this year. Well, that's one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. No team cuts a quality player because they will be gone in a year. Clearly, Gorrer isn't as good as people here think. That's the only reason he is gone. It has nothing to do with him being a FA next year so we're letting him go early. If that was the case there would be other players gone as well.

[Gordo52]

I hope we resign Cary after this year. I was hoping by next year that Jimmy would be our #2 and Gorrer move into the 3 with Cary leaving.

[tae2ill]

I've read comments from people saying that Danny was overrated and he was just a #4 DB. Many people also have stated that we only seen him in a few preseason games, against 3rd stringers. I would like to examine some of those comments.

* disclaimer* I like Danny, so my observations maybe a little biased but I will try to present objective points.
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[*]First the comments about him being overrated and just a #4 DB.
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I will concede he probably was the #4th best corner on our team and we all know the top 3 (many will probably say that Cary is debatable, i'm not necessarily one of those people but he hasn't looked very good this preseason). Danny isn't a #4DB, he just happens to be #4 in the depth chart (because we have a great defense). That's not a play on words, Danny could/would be a starter some where else. But I'm not the only one who thinks this, the #1 DB on our team, Webby said it himself : look it up. He has good coverage skills, awareness and speed, he's faster than Jimmy. Jimmy said so himself : look it up. We had 4 starters at DB , even if you disagree that Danny could be a starter, wouldn't you want him around because of our schedule this season.
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[*]Comments about him just playing preseason against 3rd stringers
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I've seen him last preseason and this preseason and he has done well no matter what string he is against. Last game he made a mistake, and quickly corrected it by getting an interception. But this isn't just what I've seen him do in the preseason, I've seen him lock down top end WR's in "real" games. Last year he locked down Santonio Holmes, even deflected the pass on him.

He can ball, plain and simple ( in my opinion of course). We have 3 very good DBs and then the rest is hopeful potential. I'm not knocking the young guys (brown, jackson) I like them, I really do, I would just rather have a guy who could be a starter right now in that position. I like graham too, but I think what he brings to us as a DB is just a plus because he's a ST guy. We lost a good DB in a season when we need DBs the most, our Pass rush semi scares me, we will be so dependent on the secondary and couple that with our schedule. He will be missed, perhaps more than any other ""#4 DB"" ever will.... What say you?

[sflegend89]

That's a bad cut, Chykie should go before Gorrer. What if Cary leaves in FA after this year (which he probably will, big money), we have Chykie at #3? Don't like this move at all.

[Bazooka Joe]

Maybe we are close to extending Cary Williams?

[raybaby]

Smh don't get this.

[Ngata Chance]

Well, he will probably play for another team. That stinks man.

[gabefergy]

It's a head-scratcher, but not a huge deal in the long term. Younger players like Chykie and Asa are the plan for the future, and there really wasnt a place for Gorrer. We have plenty of CB depth already and he would have likely been gone after this season. So the FO goes with whoever is best at ST because that is the real contribution for this season. I have seen some nice plays by Chykie and Considine apparently is a solid ST player. Gorrer has not stood out to me as an exceptional ST player.

[Irish Raven]

Strongly dislike this move, he was a bright young player, good on defense and on special teams

Better then both Chykie Brown and Considine

Good luck to him wherever he ends up as he'll certainly be snapped up. Pagano is looking for cornerbacks

[AsianRice]

wow, I never thought Danny is a let go at all; the dude is solid at 3slot CB. I don't know what Ozzie is thinking....I wish he'll say something in the press cuz we all know that never ask Harbs about FO move question....we all know the answer....

[jazz1988]

[quote name='tae2ill' timestamp='1346701073' post='1138289']
I've read comments from people saying that Danny was overrated and he was just a #4 DB. Many people also have stated that we only seen him in a few preseason games, against 3rd stringers. I would like to examine some of those comments.

* disclaimer* I like Danny, so my observations maybe a little biased but I will try to present objective points.[list]
[*]First the comments about him being overrated and just a #4 DB.
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I will concede he probably was the #4th best corner on our team and we all know the top 3 (many will probably say that Cary is debatable, i'm not necessarily one of those people but he hasn't looked very good this preseason).[b] Danny isn't a #4DB, he just happens to be #4 in the depth chart (because we have a great defense)[/b]. That's not a play on words, Danny could/would be a starter some where else. But I'm not the only one who thinks this, the #1 DB on our team, Webby said it himself : look it up. He has good coverage skills, awareness and speed, he's faster than Jimmy. Jimmy said so himself : look it up. We had 4 starters at DB , even if you disagree that Danny could be a starter, wouldn't you want him around because of our schedule this season.[list]
[*]Comments about him just playing preseason against 3rd stringers
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well i dont disagree with most of what you said about gorrer but i thought he was the # five cornerback listed behind webb, williams, smith, and graham

[edreedfromtheu]

Ozzie and the Ravens management are sheer genuises. Can't wait to see this guy win a ring with the Patriots!

[Ravenseconbeast]

Really??

Now we get to enjoy Considine...great. I wonder if he'll be our TJ hous/Lee Evans of FA this year

[hawkprey]

I don't think you guys understand that Considine right now might be our most important special teams player. He's the leader of the unit. You don't cut your special teams QB over your last CB on the depth chart.

Gorrer was great last year but you have to realize that not everything stays the same from year to year. Gorrer was behind everyone on the depth chart this year, and I don't think it's because of some bias against him. The FO trusted him enough to have him play off the PS last year. This year he hasn't looked that great in the preseason against backups. Brown and Ajax outplayed him in the games, and Graham is our #4. That makes Gorrer the #7.

[Irish Raven]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1346713539' post='1138449']
I don't think you guys understand that Considine right now might be our most important special teams player. He's the leader of the unit.
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BA? Corey Graham?
Both have reputations as leaders on special teams

After this pre-season Considine looks no more then a scrub

[flynismo]

I like Gorrer and all, but dont understand all the blind love for him. I would have cut him in favor of Consindine as well.

[jusraven]

Cut Gorrer? I can think of a few other less productive players who should have gotten cut first. Sorry to question but this does not feel right! Someone just cut into a strength area of the defense while leaving weaker players in place some of whom seem to have little or nothing special to add.

[The Raven]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1346696578' post='1138211']
Sure, but we better hope and pray that Cary/Jimmy don't get hurt. And why Gorrer and not Chykie Brown?
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Chykie was a draft pick. A low round draft pick, but a draft pick nonetheless. There is more invested in him. Also, reports were saying that he had an excellent camp.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1346713861' post='1138451']
I like Gorrer and all, but dont understand all the blind love for him. I would have cut him in favor of Consindine as well.
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It is interesting... kinda reminds me of all the second guessing that went on with Gaither. Then he plays well in his revenge game against us and our FO are idiots? Where is Gaither now? Sitting Game 1 due to back problems. Sound familiar?

But hey, fans need something to be mad about I guess lol... so Ozzie how could you cut our 5th Cornerback?! He would've been a linchpin player on the team this year! *raises pitchfork*

[jusraven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1346713861' post='1138451']
I like Gorrer and all, but dont understand all the blind love for him. I would have cut him in favor of Consindine as well.
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It's not blind love or maybe not even love but there are weaker players that I for one am surprised made the team. Coaches must be permitted to do there thing but that doesn't stop us from having or voicing an opinion. What have you seen in considine that others have not?

[beasy2487]

[quote name='Irish Raven' timestamp='1346713757' post='1138450']
BA? Corey Graham?
Both have reputations as leaders on special teams

After this pre-season Considine looks no more then a scrub
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Both have reputations as "Special Teams Aces"(which I believe is way too broad of a term). That simply means they are great special teams players at their respective positions, not that they are adept in managing the unit. That's like saying Joe is expendable at Quarterback because Ray Rice has leadership qualities and is known as a great offensive player.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1346695480' post='1138191']
Normally, I agree that the point is to improve our depth at the position, since I assume your post was a semi-response to mine. Obviously we have to defer to the coaching staff since they see the guys in practice, but from a fan's standpoint Considine showed us in preseason that he is not a solid tackler and may be injury prone for the rest of the year (if he already has had two concussions, the probability of a third this season greatly increases). He and Ihdegibo would both serve more or less the same role: special teams "leader" and spot player in the defensive rotation. I'm about 95% sure that when I looked at the official roster on the main site when they had updated the 53 man roster, Gorrer was listed on the official roster as a "defensive back," not "cornerback." That generalized position leads me to believe he could provide safety depth in a pinch. Of course, it could just be website semantics as well, haha. Just my thoughts on it.
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It was more of a general statement to all of the people complaining about the move.

Ihdegibo has more experience at safety. I would feel more comfortable with him at safety than Gorrer or Considine. Until we signed Ihdegibo, we only had two safeties that were reliable. Reed and Pollard. Considine and Thompson are not reliable. Its always good to have reliable players. Not to say Gorrer is unreliable, but we have other corners that have proven to be somewhat reliable. So, he was deemed expendable.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Irish Raven' timestamp='1346713757' post='1138450']
BA? Corey Graham?
Both have reputations as leaders on special teams

After this pre-season Considine looks no more then a scrub
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From [url="http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/05/21/sean-considine-getting-career-back-on-track/"]http://blogs.baltimo...-back-on-track/[/url]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=4][quote]What may be just as important for Considine is passing on his knowledge of special teams to the younger players. He said the Ravens were looking for that when they signed him, and it’s something he has already begun to do and will continue in the upcoming organized team activities.
The Ravens already have a special-teams leader in linebacker Brendon Ayanbadejo, and signed Pro Bowl special-teams ace Corey Graham, but Considine adds more experience and leadership to the unit.[/quote][/size][/font]

From [url="http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story/09000d5d82aec2c7/article/baltimore-ravens-training-camp-joe-flacco-leads-sharp-offense"]http://www.nfl.com/t...s-sharp-offense[/url]
[quote][color=#222221][font=arial, verdana, helvetica]As the personal protector, Considine is running the punt team, a position akin to "hiring a new quarterback," special-teams coordinator Jerry Rosburg said[/font][/color][/quote]


By the way, for the people thinking Considine sucks at safety because he wasn't helping our CBs over the top (I was one of them), apparently our coaches decided to put our CBs 1-on-1 intentionally to test them. So he was doing what he was supposed to.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1346714613' post='1138464']
It was more of a general statement to all of the people complaining about the move.

Ihdegibo has more experience at safety. I would feel more comfortable with him at safety than Gorrer or Considine. Until we signed Ihdegibo, we only had two safeties that were reliable. Reed and Pollard. Considine and Thompson are not reliable. Its always good to have reliable players. Not to say Gorrer is unreliable, but we have other corners that have proven to be somewhat reliable. So, he was deemed expendable.
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Key word there is expendable. Not bad, not great, just expendable. What is Gorrer's ceiling? 3rd CB? We've got a 2 guys ahead of him with either more or equal upside, and 2 guys behind him with more. Also, I think it's underrated what we lost on special teams from Cook. Ihedigbo was brought in to make up for that not to replace -with- Considine, not to replace him. And we got the added benefit of adding depth at safety so now we don't have to worry about seeing Considine out there out of his element.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I really like this move. Improved safety depth and special teams without sacrificing much if anything.

PS- To all those that say Gorrer "Shut Down" Santonio Holmes... really? A wet paper bag could've shut down Holmes the way our D-line was playing in that game combined with Chuck-And-Duck Noodles McSanchize at QB. In fact, by the end of the season Santonio was shutting HIMSELF down

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1346715173' post='1138473']
Key word there is expendable. Not bad, not great, just expendable. What is Gorrer's ceiling? 3rd CB? We've got a 2 guys ahead of him with either more or equal upside, and 2 guys behind him with more. Also, I think it's underrated what we lost on special teams from Cook. Ihedigbo was brought in to make up for that not to replace -with- Considine, not to replace him. And we got the added benefit of adding depth at safety so now we don't have to worry about seeing Considine out there out of his element.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I really like this move. Improved safety depth and special teams without sacrificing much if anything.

PS- To all those that say Gorrer "Shut Down" Santonio Holmes... really? A wet paper bag could've shut down Holmes the way our D-line was playing in that game combined with Chuck-And-Duck Noodles McSanchize at QB. In fact, by the end of the season Santonio was shutting HIMSELF down
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I have to agree with this. While I really like Gorrer a lot, I don't think he shut down Holmes alone. He had a lot of help from many factors in that game. Mark Sanchez sucks, our DL got great pressure, I remember Reed having a good game that game (maybe my memory is wrong, though), and on top of it wasn't Holmes coming back from holding out? I remember he was negotiating a contract last year and wasn't around for camp or something.

I think a lot more went into Holmes not playing well than Gorrer.

Regardless, Gorrer is gone. I will say that I don't remember Gorrer being that great of a special teams asset. I understand why he was cut in favor of a ST player, it's just Considine has really disappointed me so far. I'm still waiting for him to show me why we brought him here.

[jusraven]

[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1346688045' post='1138018']
Danny was one of our better cover corners. I don't get this, I was hoping just in case Cary gets burned in some games this year he would get a chance to play. Kinda confused..
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Lets hope this is just part of an incomplete picture because I'm getting confused.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1346702390' post='1138308']
Maybe we are close to extending Cary Williams?
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He was offered 3 for 15 and turned it down. Hes not getting extended (at least this year).

[sflegend89]

This speaks to their confidence in chykie and asa. Gorrer was a good prospect, i don't agree with the move right now but hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

[cobrajet]

Gorrer? Seriously?