Pass Rush?

[The Raven]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1346439644' post='1135478']
Has our pass rush gotten better or worse since Rex Ryan coached here?
[/quote]

Its hard to judge.

Rex Ryan was great at creating "artificial pressure" through creative blitzes and schemes. However, that doesn't exactly mean we had a strong pass rush. Our pass rush was inconsistent. We couldn't get pressure with 4. Our sack numbers have also increased since 2008. I think as a whole, the pass rush is better. Last year, we were able to get pressure with 4. That's something we could never do with Rex. We get a better pass rush without sending as many players. Unfortunately, the pass rush we saw last year does not look like it has continued into this preseason.

Obviously, 2006 is the exception to this. Our pass rush was completely dominant, whether we blitzed or not.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Man.

I am really missing Chuck Pagano right now.

He can make machines out of ordinary men.

Dean Pees just simply dont have that magic

[baltravensrj55]

I'm 100% with the starter of this thread. Our pass rush has been almost nonexistent this entire preseason. I know its vanilla schemes and standard blitzes but c'mon man, we can't keep telling ourselves it will be alright, Suggs will be back soon. Suggs suffered a terrible injury and one that most people don't come back from 100%. I know he isn't most people but we really need to consider picking up another pass rusher on the market. I think we have relied too much on Suggs. Last year if Suggs wasn't playing good then there wasn't much anyone else to count on. (besides the 49ers game) Daryl Tapp is probably our best/cheapest option. I watched Tapp play at VT, (loved watching him play) not too much in Philly but I think he is one of our best options at this point in time.

Lets take some of that Cundiff money and put it to use.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1346436930' post='1135417']
The Ravens might need to blitz more or be more creative in disguising its defenses to create more pressure on QB's this year.
With out Suggs, I think the pass rush will suffer big time.
[/quote]

And right on cue....Go Colts!

[CalvinSmoke]

The reason our picks haven't turned out to be stars is because we haven't been able to draft any high draft picks in a long time. Though i think we did miss on Clay Matthews, but other than that, there haven't been any serious pass rushers available in the drafts for the Ravens to get.

[KillaBirdTJ]

Is Osi still an option, or too expensive?

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='KillaBirdTJ' timestamp='1346446129' post='1135632']
Is Osi still an option, or too expensive?
[/quote]

Giant paid him. I don't think they'll give him up unless its a high draft pick. Plus with Tuck considering retirement, Osi will be the vet to keep that pass rush team in check

[jazz1988]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1346447110' post='1135652']
Giant paid him. I don't think they'll give him up unless its a high draft pick. Plus with Tuck considering retirement, Osi will be the vet to keep that pass rush team in check
[/quote]

they just gave him a pay raise which was 7 mill i believe but he will be a free agent next year

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[KillaBirdTJ]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1346448657' post='1135680']
they just gave him a pay raise which was 7 mill i believe but he will be a free agent next year
[/quote]

Daryl Tapp, and Andre Carter seem like the only possible trade options left... I hope we address this sooner than later.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='KillaBirdTJ' timestamp='1346456153' post='1135842']


Daryl Tapp, and [b]Andre Carter[/b] seem like the only possible trade options left... I hope we address this sooner than later.
[/quote]

If Ozzie trades for a FA, I will be pissed! Ha

[beasy2487]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1346439574' post='1135475']
This is what I'm trying to tell people. I said this to a friend. We never know if Suggs will ever be the same and this could lead to us releasing him early. Never know how what we have will turn out but wouldn't be surprised to see us make a small move to secure the position. I think next year we should maybe trade up to take a top talent at either o line, lb or safety.
[/quote]

The reason I'm not too worried about this is that although Suggs injured a tendon that's critical to what makes him great, he did it doing something totally unrelated to football in a freak accident. If he was playing football and in technique, burst off the line and blew out his Achilles I'd be much more concerned. Suggs is a product of hard work and savvy, not just his physical tools.

[JEEPercreepermd]

I trust the FO will make some kind of a move to grab a solid vet who has gotten cut. Remember, we snagged Mckinney late last summer, Cory Redding was another player who was cut but came here and gave us a few solid seasons.
That being said, the Ravens aren't getting a high profile pass rusher at this point. A trade won't happen though, who can they trade? It'll be down to who's been cut tonight, who's healthy, fits the scheme, ect... We don't really need a pro bowler, just someone who can give us SOMETHING, and help take at least a little heat off of Suggs when he returns.

[Purple Nurple]

How many sacks did we notch in preseason?

Serious question, not being rude.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1346466055' post='1136125']
How many sacks did we notch in preseason?

Serious question, not being rude.
[/quote]

I'd guess single digits over 4 games!

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1346466201' post='1136130']


I'd guess single digits over 4 games!
[/quote]

That's what I was thinking. Not good.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1346466301' post='1136135']


That's what I was thinking. Not good.
[/quote]

Yeah, it was pretty poor and as Alexir just said in another thread, I sure hope we address it in some form between now and the 10th!

[Tank 92]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1346436930' post='1135417']
[u][i][b]The Ravens might need to blitz more or be more creative in disguising its defenses to create more pressure on QB's this year.[/b][/i][/u]

[/quote]


This is what I hope for. It may be we just kept things simple in pre season and Pees will step up the schemes once the season is underway. We got pretty decent pressure a couple of times with Pollard coming hard, but didn't see anything too radical with the D play calling. I guess it boils down to how much confidence there is in the DBs.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1346465857' post='1136115']
I trust the FO will make some kind of a move to grab a solid vet who has gotten cut. Remember, we snagged Mckinney late last summer, Cory Redding was another player who was cut but came here and gave us a few solid seasons.
That being said, the Ravens aren't getting a high profile pass rusher at this point. A trade won't happen though, who can they trade? It'll be down to who's been cut tonight, who's healthy, fits the scheme, ect... We don't really need a pro bowler, just someone who can give us SOMETHING, and help take at least a little heat off of Suggs when he returns.
[/quote]

the only player i could think of that would be worth trading for is eagles defensive end Darryl Tapp

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1346444117' post='1135581']
The reason our picks haven't turned out to be stars is because we haven't been able to draft any high draft picks in a long time. Though i think we did miss on Clay Matthews, but other than that, there haven't been any serious pass rushers available in the drafts for the Ravens to get.
[/quote]
Kindle was a pretty sure fire guy but there was the accident... we also drafted Grubbs over Woodley, which I'd probably take back.

[GrimCoconut]

The lack of pass-rush from our 3-4 OLBs is very concerned, though I don't think it's as doom & gloom as people make it out to be. There are many ways to get pressure in the 3-4 not just the OLBs. Personally, I think (hope) we adapt to the weaknesses of our OLBs.

One way of masking our weakness is to become creative with our fronts and use our personnel to an advantage. Just because Kruger hasn't been very good at covering or because Upshaw has appeared slow and Kindle seems lost doesn't mean the Ravens defense will become the Rams' from last year. I expect Pees to use our defensive line to acquire the pressure since our OLBs don't seem capable of doing it. While our pass-rushers are ineffective at OLB, I like our pass-rushers on the DL. Ngata, McPhee, Kemoeatu, Hall, and even Tyson have all shown they can rush the passer. Hall even played at linebacker in this last game. Also, remember that Cody has actually improved this preseason in collapsing the pocket, which is mildly surprising and a welcomed trait. Perhaps we can use that to rush our ILBs up the middle, such as Ray Lewis or Jameel McClain, both of whom can apply pressure up the middle from previous years (let's not discuss Lewis' age here, either...).

I'm just saying that just because our OLBs don't appear to be great doesn't mean we're done. Remember, we have some pretty good CBs, too. I really like what I've seen from Webb, Pollard, and Reed at rushing the passer. Maybe we will use them more on blitzes. Webb & Reed are both fast enough in the game to force fumbles.

I'm really excited to see our pass-rush. I know most people are worried, but I believe this will get fixed. That's not saying I don't want some insurance. I'd like to get a guy like Carter, if not for anything but insurance.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1346501239' post='1136397']
This is what I hope for. It may be we just kept things simple in pre season and Pees will step up the schemes once the season is underway. We got pretty decent pressure a couple of times with Pollard coming hard, but didn't see anything too radical with the D play calling. I guess it boils down to how much confidence there is in the DBs.
[/quote]

Yea, the one thing that gives me solace regarding Pees is that he's definitely a highly disciplined guy, even more so than Pagano. Sure, the defense looked better in the preseason under Pagano than under Pees, but Pagano did a fair amount of scheming in the preseason because he just loves to mix it up and see his guys flying around. I remember last year guys jokingly talking about how the defense was supposed to be vanilla but Pagano "just couldn't help himself." Not taking anything away from Pagano, but perhaps Pees is just the type of guy who isn't going to flinch and show his hand no matter how tempting it is.

This could actually be a strength when it comes to in-game adjustments. One thing I noticed about Chuck was that when his initial gameplan didn't work he tended to try to solve everything by getting more aggressive. The only game that this really killed us in was the San Diego but it was definitely one of our weaknesses. I'm hoping that the more disciplined mindset of Pees will also bring the ability to play chess and keep several plans of attack on deck so we can be even better than last year.

[jimmypowder]

[i]What pass rush? Did we have one in preseason? [/i]

[mhead66]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1346466055' post='1136125']
How many sacks did we notch in preseason?

Serious question, not being rude.
[/quote]
Serious answer: Six in four games, two by starters.

Albert McClellan, 1 for 4 yards
Corey Graham, 1 for 8 yards
DeAngelo Tyson, 1 for 5 yards
Ishmaaily Kitchen, 1 for 10 yards
Haloti Ngata, 1 for 9 yards
Courtney Upshaw, 1 for 7 yards

The other concern is that four of the six sacks came in the 4th quarter - where, presumably, the 3rd string OLine was playing for the opponent. Six sacks in 4 games averages out to 24 sacks in a season, which is... horrible.

[Alexir]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1346538354' post='1136817']

Serious answer: Six in four games, two by starters.

Albert McClellan, 1 for 4 yards
Corey Graham, 1 for 8 yards
DeAngelo Tyson, 1 for 5 yards
Ishmaaily Kitchen, 1 for 10 yards
Haloti Ngata, 1 for 9 yards
Courtney Upshaw, 1 for 7 yards

The other concern is that four of the six sacks came in the 4th quarter - where, presumably, the 3rd string OLine was playing for the opponent. Six sacks in 4 games averages out to 24 sacks in a season, which is... horrible.
[/quote]

And kitchen isn't on team so 5 is real bad lol

[raybaby]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1346538354' post='1136817']
Serious answer: Six in four games, two by starters.

Albert McClellan, 1 for 4 yards
Corey Graham, 1 for 8 yards
DeAngelo Tyson, 1 for 5 yards
Ishmaaily Kitchen, 1 for 10 yards
Haloti Ngata, 1 for 9 yards
Courtney Upshaw, 1 for 7 yards

The other concern is that four of the six sacks came in the 4th quarter - where, presumably, the 3rd string OLine was playing for the opponent. Six sacks in 4 games averages out to 24 sacks in a season, which is... horrible.
[/quote]

Don't forget Haloti's sack came from a missed assignment. Haloti unblocked is not going to happen much.

[mhead66]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1346524965' post='1136654']
The lack of pass-rush from our 3-4 OLBs is very concerned, though I don't think it's as doom & gloom as people make it out to be. There are many ways to get pressure in the 3-4 not just the OLBs. Personally, I think (hope) we adapt to the weaknesses of our OLBs.

One way of masking our weakness is to become creative with our fronts and use our personnel to an advantage. Just because Kruger hasn't been very good at covering or because Upshaw has appeared slow and Kindle seems lost doesn't mean the Ravens defense will become the Rams' from last year. I expect Pees to use our defensive line to acquire the pressure since our OLBs don't seem capable of doing it. While our pass-rushers are ineffective at OLB, I like our pass-rushers on the DL. Ngata, McPhee, Kemoeatu, Hall, and even Tyson have all shown they can rush the passer. Hall even played at linebacker in this last game. Also, remember that Cody has actually improved this preseason in collapsing the pocket, which is mildly surprising and a welcomed trait. Perhaps we can use that to rush our ILBs up the middle, such as Ray Lewis or Jameel McClain, both of whom can apply pressure up the middle from previous years (let's not discuss Lewis' age here, either...).

I'm just saying that just because our OLBs don't appear to be great doesn't mean we're done. Remember, we have some pretty good CBs, too. I really like what I've seen from Webb, Pollard, and Reed at rushing the passer. Maybe we will use them more on blitzes. Webb & Reed are both fast enough in the game to force fumbles.

I'm really excited to see our pass-rush. I know most people are worried, but I believe this will get fixed. That's not saying I don't want some insurance. I'd like to get a guy like Carter, if not for anything but insurance.
[/quote]

The Giants beat the Patriots in their last 2 SB visits largely because they are able to generate a pass rush with only their 4 DLinemen. This frees up their back seven to drop into zone or blanket the first 5 yards past the line-of-scrimmage.

I know that both Webb and Pollard are very good at rushing from their DB spots - their speed and tenacity often results in significant pressure. The (obvious) problem is that using this scheme too often leaves your other DBs on an island, and if the QB can stand in the pocket for 3 seconds, he'll pick most secondaries apart. Ray and (to a lesser extent) McClain aren't premier pass rushers, so hoping they can compensate for a lack of the OLB pass rush is a 2-3 times per game attempt.

IMO, our best pass rush alternative is in the trenches - if Ngata can revert to his '09 form, if McPhee can pick up where he left off last season, if Cody can get some interior push... then we can generate pressure where a QB is most vulnerable - right up the middle.

I DO think we'll need to solve this concern, and solve it soon. The Dalton-Green connection is only 9 days away, and we will face Michael Vick and Tom Brady in September...

[raybaby]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1346539091' post='1136826']
IMO, our best pass rush alternative is in the trenches - if Ngata can revert to his '09 form, if McPhee can pick up where he left off last season, if Cody can get some interior push... then we can generate pressure where a QB is most vulnerable - right up the middle.
[/quote]

Teams are going to focus a lot of their attention on Haloti. That's why he said he put a lot of pressure on himself this offseason. Others are going to have to step up.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1346439486' post='1135474']
Wouldn't mind Carter either. Heard some bad things about him being ready from the NE media. But it doesn't look like the Pats are going to resign him. Wouldn't be a horrible addition.
[/quote]I'm pretty sure I heard that he will ONLY play for NE.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1346539091' post='1136826']


The Giants beat the Patriots in their last 2 SB visits largely because they are able to generate a pass rush with only their 4 DLinemen. This frees up their back seven to drop into zone or blanket the first 5 yards past the line-of-scrimmage.

I know that both Webb and Pollard are very good at rushing from their DB spots - their speed and tenacity often results in significant pressure. The (obvious) problem is that using this scheme too often leaves your other DBs on an island, and if the QB can stand in the pocket for 3 seconds, he'll pick most secondaries apart. Ray and (to a lesser extent) McClain aren't premier pass rushers, so hoping they can compensate for a lack of the OLB pass rush is a 2-3 times per game attempt.

IMO, our best pass rush alternative is in the trenches - if Ngata can revert to his '09 form, if McPhee can pick up where he left off last season, if Cody can get some interior push... then we can generate pressure where a QB is most vulnerable - right up the middle.

I DO think we'll need to solve this concern, and solve it soon. The Dalton-Green connection is only 9 days away, and we will face Michael Vick and Tom Brady in September...
[/quote]
I agree that the DL is crucial for us with the loss of Suggs even more than it was before. We must get pressure with them or else we're in serious trouble. I don't think this will be a problem because I really like our DL more than our OLBs.

I agree with mostly everything you said except Lewis and McClain being unable to rush up the middle. I think they can do it, especially McClain. McClain used to be an OLB/DE in college and even put up respectable numbers doing it. I have a little hope he can muster something if we did use him like that, though I feel that will be few and far between since he will be even more responsible for covering TEs due to the weak OLB coverage.

I agree with the secondary blitzes; I just see us using them to compensate for the lack of pressure I feel our OLBs will get. If everything works out well, one or two of our OLBs will hold it down until Suggs returns (hopefully to form).

I'm glad we agree that the Ravens defense isn't done nor will our sacks plummet due to the loss of Suggs.