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[KillaBirdTJ]

Dont care if it's "vanilla" defense due to it being the preseason... Quality pass rushers don't usually get cut... Does anyone have any idea who if any quality pass rushers we could trade for? We have never had a complimentary pass rusher opposit Suggs since he has been here... Now with him out, we have zero. I see Kruger as a 5-8 sack guy, we need much much more.Osi from NY comes to mind... Any thoughts?

[jus'_crAzy]

Peter Boulware and Adalius Thomas would like a few words with you.

[KillaBirdTJ]

Peter Boulware and Adalius Thomas would like a few words with you.

Huh? Sizzle has been the ONLY consistant pass rush threat we've had for at least 5 years. Cmon man...

[jus'_crAzy]

You said we've never had a complementary pass rusher opposite Suggs since he's been here. Nothing about only the past 5 years.

That being said, I understand your concern. Cutting OLBs doesn't really help to calm me down.

Edited by jus'_crAzy, 31 August 2012 - 11:11 AM.

[GTRavens]

Dont care if it's "vanilla" defense due to it being the preseason

You should care.

[KillaBirdTJ]

You said we've never had a complementary pass rusher opposite Suggs since he's been here. Nothing about only the past 5 years.

That being said, I understand your concern. Cutting OLBs doesn't really help to calm me down.

I think the timing is right for us to now make a bold move to aquire someone via trade. Its that serious; we have gone through pre season and see that our pass rush situation needs to be addressed ASAP... washed up pass rushers wont cut it.

[kassaiscool]

It's concerning because its mostly 1 on 1's and we are not getting that much pressure at all. Nobody is getting doubled like Suggs does, we can't just win the battles so far this preseason.

[jus'_crAzy]

I think the timing is right for us to now make a bold move to aquire someone via trade. Its that serious; we have gone through pre season and see that our pass rush situation needs to be addressed ASAP... washed up pass rushers wont cut it.

Wait... what??? Did you really think I wanted to bring in Peter Boulware and Adalius Thomas? I was referring to them because it looked like you were treating them like chopped liver. Suggs complemented them when they were here, but you seem to be ignoring that. Just giving you a quick history lesson.

[KillaBirdTJ]

You should care.

I have always believed you practice how you play.

Suggs- Out indefinitely
Upshaw- Needs a year
Kindle- Probably cut
McClellean- Decent bull rush but far from a threat
Krugar- Not looking good so far

I for one think we can use the cap space we have left and find a quality pass rush threat.

[KillaBirdTJ]

Wait... what??? Did you really think I wanted to bring in Peter Boulware and Adalius Thomas? I was referring to them because it looked like you were treating them like chopped liver. Suggs complemented them when they were here, but you seem to be ignoring that. Just giving you a quick history lesson.

Im concerned for this season. Ive been an RavenLunatic since 1996, not ignoring our past great players or suggesting you were saying to bring them back LOL. Seriously though, this season should be OUR year, we must fix this...

[jus'_crAzy]

Im concerned for this season. Ive been an RavenLunatic since 1996, not ignoring our past great players or suggesting you were saying to bring them back LOL. Seriously though, this season should be OUR year, we must fix this...

Wow dude... way to twist my words.

I have always believed you practice how you play.

Suggs- Out indefinitely
Upshaw- Needs a year
Kindle- Probably cut
McClellean- Decent bull rush but far from a threat
Krugar- Not looking good so far

I for one think we can use the cap space we have left and find a quality pass rush threat.

I seem to remember a certain QB that we need to give a massive contract to... Nevermind, must've dreamt it.

[ravensfan2430]

Yeah, it's clear on 1-1 pass rush situations we are on the short end of the stick. IMO Rex Ryan was ahead of the curve with organized chaos. I think defense (TO A CERTAIN EXTENT) is becoming more schemed based than personnel based. What I mean is that I think that the right scheme can make up for player quality(to a degree). Like the shotgun spread offense that has taken over recently in the NFL... Oraganized chaos is starting too and will be the scheme of the future. Let's see what Pees is like during the regualr season.

[KillaBirdTJ]

Wow dude... way to twist my words.



I seem to remember a certain QB that we need to give a massive contract to... Nevermind, must've dreamt it.

Its really quite somple. Fix it or we will get toasted.

[display name]

Sizzle will likely be back by week 12 or something at the latest.
And remember guys, it's preseason!
There is bound to be some improvement in the regular season.

[redrum52]

Sizzle will likely be back by week 12 or something at the latest.
And remember guys, it's preseason!
There is bound to be some improvement in the regular season.

This is what we said in 09 as well.... when Mattison took over. Remember how that ended. We shall see though when we are using actual schemes. For be most part recently the defense hasn't been about overpowering people as much as scheme based to confuse like someone else said.

[jazz1988]

two players to keep a eye on are Daryl Tapp and Larry English whom both have a good chance of being cut

[AsianRice]

I trust Dean Pees's experience and ability to take this Ravens defense back to top 2 defense in the league, even without DPOY Suggs.

Look at Pees' resume, when he was a DC of the Pats 2006-2009, his defense was ranked top 2 in the nation. His top 3 stars were Mike Vrabel, Vince Wilfork and Asante Samuel. I believe Kugar will be better than Vrabel cuz it took like 10yr for Vrabel to be recognized as pro bowler. He wasn't good when he was drafted and played for the Steelers but when he's trade and play for the NE with Pees as LB coach and eventually DC, he is blossomed to one of the best.

We have Kruger, Ngata, and Webb which resemble the top 3 stars of Pees' weapons during his service in the NE. Remember, we have the best LB and FS in the history anchoring the defense. I have no worry when Pees take over this traditional elite defense.

I can't wait for the regular season to start cuz you know Pees will unleash his beast mode......

Edited by AsianRice, 31 August 2012 - 12:20 PM.

[BloodRaven]

two players to keep a eye on are Daryl Tapp and Larry English whom both have a good chance of being cut

Tapp yes, English sucks.

Also Art Jones has no pass rush and no burst, he also looks overweight for DE. He's basically a smaller version of Cody, but at least Cody can collapse a pocket every once in a while.

[Ngata92NT]

I had high hopes for Kruger, Kindle and Upshaw but they have all been massive disappointments so far. Kruger can be a threat as a pass rusher but has struggled to set the edge. And he has been the best of the three! Upshaw can't keep up with anyone and looks more like a DE than an OLB, the man's 270+ after all the offseason conditioning! Kindle obviously has struggled in pretty much every facet of the game.

I'm willing to acknowledge the necessity of bringing in a veteran pass rusher, if only to provide some depth. I hope everyone realizes that we're not going to trade high picks or hand out large contracts. We just need a solid guy to help play backup to Kruger and McClellan.

[KillaBirdTJ]

What's scary is that there is no guarantee that Suggs will regain form or even return this season for that matter. The reason McPhee, Krugar and Ngata have had the success they have is due by and large to Sizzle being out there... I guess we will have to wait and see, I dont think the F.O. is happy with this situation as is... They probably are on it.