Merriman Available AGAIN

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[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1345500178' post='1124855']
Give me your 53 man roster with Merriman on it. I'd like to see who you're leaving off to make room.
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This

[tsizzle95]

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haha no!

[The Raven]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1345491587' post='1124733']
I say bring him in. What young player would he block?

Kindle hasn't shown any passrush.
Chavis Williams looked good in practice. Where's he been in games?
Josh Bynes is IR/cut bound
We've had zero passrush.
We may still have zero with Merriman but let's find out.

[b]He was on Buffalo afterall.[/b]
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Which is exactly why I'm concerned. He got CUT from BUFFALO. I see a problem here.

And, it's not like he'd upgrade the pass rush. He only had 1 sack in his last 12 games.

1 sack in 12 games. Constantly injured. Cut from a bad team. And yet you want us to sign him.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='tsizzle95' timestamp='1345515264' post='1125007']
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haha no!
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. Please God. No.

[YYZ66]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1345492622' post='1124764']
Regarding Kindle, it's been two games. As for Williams, just because he hasn't been making splash plays doesn't mean he isn't worth hanging on to. You're right about Bynes.

Regardless, Merriman isn't going to solve the perceived pass rush problem. People were absolutely convinced he was worth investing in back in 2010. That obviously wasn't the case. Two years later, what's changed? Him playing on a bad team means nothing. [b]The guy's difference-making tools evaporated when he got off the juice.[/b]
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Exactly. Unless PED's become legal, it's a waste of time even considering this guy.

[RavenAddict420]

In regards to everyone saying we don't want someone that the Bills cut.... the Bills went out and greatly improved their pass rush the last 2 years and Merriman was not a necessity to them at his cost, that does not mean that he has nothing left, if he were playing at the veteran minimum I assure you they would not have cut him since everyone was saying he looked good in camp. He has said he wanted to come to Baltimore and didn't do well in Buffalo because of the 4-3, I don't see any reason not to bring him in other than potentially losing young talent but that is the trade-off that has to be made if we are a win now team before Ray/Ed are gone. I have a feeling that he would have a decent comeback season here where he wants to be with our defensive leaders instead of a young rebuilding team like the Bills.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavenAddict420' timestamp='1345566221' post='1125247']
In regards to everyone saying we don't want someone that the Bills cut.... the Bills went out and greatly improved their pass rush the last 2 years and Merriman was not a necessity to them at his cost, that does not mean that he has nothing left, if he were playing at the veteran minimum I assure you they would not have cut him since everyone was saying he looked good in camp. He has said he wanted to come to Baltimore and didn't do well in Buffalo because of the 4-3, I don't see any reason not to bring him in other than potentially losing young talent but that is the trade-off that has to be made if we are a win now team before Ray/Ed are gone. I have a feeling that he would have a decent comeback season here where he wants to be with our defensive leaders instead of a young rebuilding team like the Bills.
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Part of the reason the Bills looked to improve their pass rush is because of how anaemic it was when they were relying on players like Merriman. Forget their acquisitions, the fact that he's done nothing for several season is proof he has nothing left. Despite all the positive reports, Buffalo still released him. Their 4-3 scheme had nothing to do with his struggles. He's no longer a difference-maker.

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No. Not gonna happen. No.

[RavensAllTheWay]

I just don't think so.....

[jazz1988]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1345566875' post='1125258']
Part of the reason the Bills looked to improve their pass rush is because of how anaemic it was when they were relying on players like Merriman. Forget their acquisitions, the fact that he's done nothing for several season is proof he has nothing left. Despite all the positive reports, Buffalo still released him. [b]Their 4-3 scheme had nothing to do with his struggles. He's no longer a difference-maker.[/b]
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Honestly the 4-3 scheme could had something to do with it. if you remember former raven antwan barnes (whom was a pass rush specailist for the ravens ) when he was traded in 2010 to the eagles which uses a 4-3 type scheme he suck and the eagles released him. when the chargers signed him to their team which uses a 3-4 type defense he didnt suck and became their leader in sacks also got a contract extentions afterwards.


Shane Merriman style probably fits a 3-4 style defense more than a 4-3 . the head coach of the bills had nothing but positive things to say about merriman during training camp and even said he looks like he's old self but i guess he didnt fit their 4-3 type scheme. The Ravens run a 3-4 & 4-3 and if I am right about what i said about Merriman then I see nothing wrong with the ravens giving him a try out atleast if the other guys dont show anything in pass rush department

[The Raven]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1345658279' post='1125883']
Honestly the 4-3 scheme could had something to do with it. if you remember former raven antwan barnes (whom was a pass rush specailist for the ravens ) when he was traded in 2010 to the eagles which uses a 4-3 type scheme he suck and the eagles released him. when the chargers signed him to their team which uses a 3-4 type defense he didnt suck and became their leader in sacks also got a contract extentions afterwards.


Shane Merriman style probably fits a 3-4 style defense more than a 4-3 . the head coach of the bills had nothing but positive things to say about merriman during training camp and even said he looks like he's old self but i guess he didnt fit their 4-3 type scheme. The Ravens run a 3-4 & 4-3 and if I am right about what i said about Merriman then I see nothing wrong with the ravens giving him a try out atleast if the other guys dont show anything in pass rush department
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I do. 1 sack in 12 games and injury prone.

You could blame scheme if you wanted to, but in reality, whether he was listed as an OLB or a DE doesn't matter. In either scheme, he has to win one on one match ups with tackles. Since he got caught roiding, he hasn't done that.

The problem is not the scheme so much as it is his inability to win one on one match ups.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1345658623' post='1125887']
I do. 1 sack in 12 games and injury prone.

You could blame scheme if you wanted to, but in reality, whether he was listed as an OLB or a DE doesn't matter. [b]In either scheme, he has to win one on one match ups with tackles. Since he got caught roiding, he hasn't done that.

The problem is not the scheme so much as it is his inability to win one on one match ups.[/b]
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i think his situation is similar to antwan barnes, Barnes suck bad in the eagles 4-3 type scheme ( zero sacks bad lol) .Barnes obviously wasnt showing anything which why he was cut from the eagles and when he went to chargers he's sack number went up.

I understand that Merriman has been injuried often and etc but what if he's finally healthy more than ever and is able to be a effective pass rusher again.. I dont see no harm for the ravens to altleast give him a try out to see how he is physically. and honestly if Kindle, Upshaw, and Mccellan continue to show nothing in the pass rush department its no way the ravens wont try to look at veterans like Aaron Kampman, Andre Carter,and etc whom both are coming off some kind of injury

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1345658279' post='1125883']
Honestly the 4-3 scheme could had something to do with it. if you remember former raven antwan barnes (whom was a pass rush specailist for the ravens ) when he was traded in 2010 to the eagles which uses a 4-3 type scheme he suck and the eagles released him. when the chargers signed him to their team which uses a 3-4 type defense he didnt suck and became their leader in sacks also got a contract extentions afterwards.

Shane Merriman style probably fits a 3-4 style defense more than a 4-3 . the head coach of the bills had nothing but positive things to say about merriman during training camp and even said he looks like he's old self but i guess he didnt fit their 4-3 type scheme. The Ravens run a 3-4 & 4-3 and if I am right about what i said about Merriman then I see nothing wrong with the ravens giving him a try out atleast if the other guys dont show anything in pass rush department
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Barnes has been a situational pass rusher the vast majority of his career. Whether he's played in the 4-3 or 3-4, I'd bet any amount of money that most of his snaps have involved him lining up with his hand in the dirt and trying to get to the QB. I'm not trying to minimize the differences in responsibilities between an OLB in a 3-4 and a DE in the 4-3. But with a player like Barnes, the less responsibility, the better.

Regardless, if Merriman was truly the player he used to be, a schematic wouldn't have made him a shell of himself for several years.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1345500178' post='1124855']
Give me your 53 man roster with Merriman on it. I'd like to see who you're leaving off to make room.
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I could give you a 53 man roster but lets just say the ravens decide to part was with Dannell Ellerbe/ only carry 3 inside linebackers instead of four to make room for Shawn Merriman or any other good pass rusher that will be available in free agency. The Ravens already have Albert Mccellan whom can play inside and outside linebacker; Ellerbe hasn't been his 2009 self in two years also been missing games due to injuries. I like Ellerbe he has the potentials to be a good linebacker but he cant be good with him constantly missing games due to injuries.


I think thats something the coaches have to think about because if Ellerbe cant get over the injury bug then overall what does he bring that Albert Mccellan cant? Mccellan has already shown before that he can do a solid job at inside linebacker and I know right now he seems like he would be the starting outside linebacker but that may change once suggs comes back or if upshaw proves to be better