Quarterback situation behind Joe Flacco

[RivenHale]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1345422141' post='1124063']
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Oh come on, mods! That was hilarious!

[PeRK82]

[quote name='RivenHale' timestamp='1345679870' post='1126096']
Oh come on, mods! That was hilarious!
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What did he say, if you have time Pm me???

[Medications]

I think it will be Taylor, I'd rather it be Painter. I think of Flacco goes down for a few games, we have a better chance of winning those Flaccoless games with Painter than we do with Taylor. I don't understand having a qb like Taylor as the only backup to Flacco. I don't see Taylor pulling off a win for us playing for 4 full quarters.

Luckily Flacco is pretty tough and doesn't get injured, knock on wood

[BloodRaven]

We only need two QB's, at this point there is no way Deonte or Streeter will clear waivers.

[display name]

With the exception of the pick (which was only a little off), Tyrod looked pretty good tonight. I say he gets it.

[PolishRifle]

Taylor is a great scrambler, but his throws spend a long time in the air. That interception was not just a bad read, it was also pretty easy to pick as well. Still, he connected well, so you can't really take too much away from him today.

[cursona pirate]

Team Painter.

[Guest RBates]

Solved Tyrod,now close this thread.

[cursona pirate]

Curtis Painter I think makes the team.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1345990312' post='1129978']
Curtis Painter I think makes the team.
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This reminds me of Peter getting into a last clap contest with Cleveland.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1344610146' post='1116258']
I'm also against carrying 3 QBs because I feel that Taylor will remain our #2 and if another QB can't challenge or beat him for that spot then there is no point in carrying a 3rd when we could have up to 6 or 7 WRs, 3 or 4 RBs... It's going to be some tough cuts made on this roster some guys are going to get snatched up before they can make it to the practice squad...
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Allow me to play devil's advocate a moment. I've seen nothing from Taylor yet to make me comfortable that he could win us games if Joe gets injured. That is the nature of a back-up QBs job. I would hate to see us cut Taylor loose at this point but IMO we should carry the 3 QBs. As was already pointed out, we are the exception and not the norm in carrying only two.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1345395824' post='1123761']
I still like tyrod all though he did stink up the joint the other night. Good Lord he looked horrible. [u][b]He's better than that showing[/b][/u].
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EXACTLY!!

and he made up for it in the Jaguars game by "throwing" for a TD and running for a TD. i have no problem with a QB that can both throw and run the ball in order to move the chains. Tyrod can do both with ease! he is a great #2 behind Joe.

~Mili

[cobrajet]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1346076924' post='1130923']
EXACTLY!!

and he made up for it in the Jaguars game by "throwing" for a TD and running for a TD. i have no problem with a QB that can both throw and run the ball in order to move the chains. Tyrod can do both with ease! he is a great #2 behind Joe.

~Mili
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I agree, he had a bad game against the Lions (it happens) but he looked pretty good against the Jags. I think we keep both Taylor and Painter on our 53 man roster. I have no problem with Taylor remaining #2 on the depth chart. We should see a good game from both Taylor and Painter against the Rams, because the Rams have looked horrible in preseason.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1346076924' post='1130923']
EXACTLY!!

and he made up for it in the Jaguars game by "throwing" for a TD and running for a TD. i have no problem with a QB that can both throw and run the ball in order to move the chains. Tyrod can do both with ease! he is a [s]great [/s]solid #2 behind Joe.

~Mili
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I hate to get in a debate over semantics, but "great" is not a word I would use to describe Tyrod as a QB, even as a backup. I don't feel 100% comfortable with him if Joe was to get hurt.

[flynismo]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1344646030' post='1116895']
I realize I am not a professional in the sport of football at all, but.
it would seem to me that you would want your back up QB to be simular to your starting QB, both in size and playing style.
The reason in my mind is to minimse the differences in both playing style and size and how certain plays look and pan out.

Am I making sence ?
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Makes perfect sense.

But...

Another way to view it is that having a guy with Tyrod's skill set gives us an edge as well.

Imagine that our opponent has gameplanned and practiced for Flacco all week, even mimicking his favorite plays.

Then the unthinkable happens and Flacco gets hurt.

How do you adjust to defending against one of the best deep passers in the league to trying to contain a guy who can eat you alive with his feet and is primarily a quick read type player? Did you account for that when activating your roster for the game? And as much as I hate gadget plays, the old HB Option does sound awfully tempting if Taylor, Rice and Leach are all on the field.

But in the end, all that truly matters is that the best player needs to be on the field. And quite frankly, I dont like our chances with either option playing a significant amount of snaps.

[flynismo]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1344646030' post='1116895']
I realize I am not a professional in the sport of football at all, but.
it would seem to me that you would want your back up QB to be simular to your starting QB, both in size and playing style.
The reason in my mind is to minimse the differences in both playing style and size and how certain plays look and pan out.

Am I making sence ?
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[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1346078678' post='1130947']
Makes perfect sense.

But...

Another way to view it is that having a guy with Tyrod's skill set gives us an edge as well.

Imagine that our opponent has gameplanned and practiced for Flacco all week, even mimicking his favorite plays.

Then the unthinkable happens and Flacco gets hurt.

How do you adjust to defending against one of the best deep passers in the league to trying to contain a guy who can eat you alive with his feet and is primarily a quick read type player? Did you account for that when activating your roster for the game? And as much as I hate gadget plays, the old HB Option does sound awfully tempting if Taylor, Rice and Leach are all on the field.

But in the end, all that truly matters is that the best player needs to be on the field. And quite frankly, I dont like our chances with either option playing a significant amount of snaps.
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I agree. Back when I lived in MD, I knew people who wanted Tyrod to start over Flacco simply because he was a mobile QB who could eat u alive rookie or not. Honestly, our offense is good with either, but Joe would have to get hit by Ngata and Cody twice to get hurt. Thats how tough he is. Pitsburgh says Rothelisberger is tough. Please, Flacco gets hit harder and still gets back up. Big Baby Ben gets hurt every time, but then comes back in to be a hero (the SB 2 years ago). Were fine with either of the three. And Painer aint a bad option either.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1346076924' post='1130923']
EXACTLY!!

and he made up for it in the Jaguars game by "throwing" for a TD and running for a TD. i have no problem with a QB that can both throw and run the ball in order to move the chains. Tyrod can do both with ease! he is a great #2 behind Joe.

~Mili
[/quote]That would be two touchdowns thrown three if the other teams counted, and one running. A great game in my eyes. Ill take that all day.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1345777907' post='1127819']
We only need two QB's, at this point there is no way Deonte or Streeter will clear waivers.
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That would be my only concern.

We stuck with Tyrod last year. Truth be told, I dont honestly see Curtis winning games if he every stepped on regular season, only because I saw his full resume last year.

Tyrod? I have no idea what would happen in regular season if he backed Flacco if (god forbids) flacco went down.


I want to take Tyrod. He would have the same struggle as Curtis did last year, but I see Tyrod as a better learner, and smarter player than Curtis.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1346071591' post='1130887']


Allow me to play devil's advocate a moment. I've seen nothing from Taylor yet to make me comfortable that he could win us games if Joe gets injured. That is the nature of a back-up QBs job. I would hate to see us cut Taylor loose at this point but IMO we should carry the 3 QBs. As was already pointed out, we are the exception and not the norm in carrying only two.
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I'm willing to accept that T.Taylor has you and others less than optimistic about him as our sole backup QB, but Curtis Painter pretty much showed his worth last season and he couldn't win anything for Colts... The Bears learned a lesson last season when Cutler got hurt, and they signed Jason Campbell as a #2 QB ( similar to when we signed Bulger just in case ). Painter isn't going to win a game if Flacco were to miss a game this season, he served as Peyton's backup for years and finally got in and looked like a rookie. I feel the same about Painter coming here as I did about John Beck coming here when Cam brought him from Miami, Caldwell manage to talk them into signing Painter... And I'm not that impressed that he has played well versus 2nd and 3rd team defenses because I saw him year after year do that for the Colts then looked pathetic last year when his number was called... I barely picture Painter being anymore productive than Caleb Hanne was for the bears lol.

[jdynamite]

I think an easier way to view this is this way, does Painter deserve a roster spot over one of the many talented players, undrafted free agents such as Rainey, D.Thompson. Basically Painters spot could be for a Streeter, Thompson, O brown , extra DB ( Gorrier or C.Brown) there are strong positional battles going on at WR, RB, DB, LB. it's not known what position will need to carry an extra player....

[jusraven]

The team would keep three QBs only if they had an exceptional up and comer, in my opinion. That is not the case here! The question is, which of the two is the best fit for the team, and fits best with what the team is doing.

[Ngata Chance]

I think Caldwell's relationship with Painter from last year will contribute in his getting a roster spot.

[Xelfer]

As stated above, Painter plays more like Flaco and fits the playbook much better. With Taylor, we'd have to toss out the playbook. He (Taylor) would just be running around scrambling, which could very likely lead to injury . . . and then we'd need Painter. I say keep all 3, Painter as the #2 guy.

[1/28/01]

Definitely dont keep 3. Complete waste of a roster spot.

Keep one of 'em (could care less which one, cause lets be honest, we winning with either one if Flacco goes down long term?) and be done with it.

[display name]

Let's see what happens against St. Louis. Then we should have a better idea if it's Tyrod of Painter.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1346128344' post='1131571']
I think an easier way to view this is this way, does Painter deserve a roster spot over one of the many talented players, undrafted free agents such as Rainey, D.Thompson. Basically Painters spot could be for a Streeter, Thompson, O brown , extra DB ( Gorrier or C.Brown) there are strong positional battles going on at WR, RB, DB, LB. it's not known what position will need to carry an extra player....
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I understand where you are coming from however, QB is the most important position on the team. If Joe gets injured, even for one game, do you want to have an opportunity to win that game? I don't feel we would have that with Tyrod right now. I know Painter stunk it up last year @ Indy but let's be honest here. Indy has no talent and Painter does not have enough to make no talent look at least good. I think he could win us a game or two if needed here.

[SideStep77]

Joe Flacco is an extremely durable guy. If he would get hurt and we put Tyrod in we could always just sign another lowly vet QB to keep just in case. Keeping 3 is a complete waste in my opinion.

[jaege]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1346154108' post='1131628']
Definitely dont keep 3. Complete waste of a roster spot.

Keep one of 'em (could care less which one, cause lets be honest, we winning with either one if Flacco goes down long term?) and be done with it.
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While I agree that we should keep just one back-up QBs, and we would have a VERY hard time winning with either one of them as back-ups, I would prefer Taylor. He has more upside. Young, new, he has nowhere to go but up. Painter is a veteran, with no history of success. Should Flacco get a stinger and have to sit out a few series, I think Taylor would do better in keeping us in the game. I just do not trust Painter. I was shocked we even picked him up.

[GrimCoconut]

This is how I see the situation behind Flacco.

Flacco is very durable and even when he is hurt he plays through it. He is tough. I love that about him. I think that means we will be OK with one back-up.

Taylor doesn't really throw the ball as well as I have seen from Painter but I like Taylor's running ability and I think it could be used effectively. Problem with that is it does put Taylor at risk for injury. Still, I have faith it won't be an issue.

I like our first team offensive line to keep Taylor clean and gtive him time in the pocket. He can scramble and make plays outside of the pocket, too. We also have Rice in our backfield and I see that being a big advantage for Taylor considering Rice's capabilities as a receiver.

Ultimately, I think we can make this work. I like Painter more than when we first signed him, honestly. The truth is I would rather use the spot elsewhere since I believe we can make due with what we have.