Quarterback situation behind Joe Flacco

[display name]

This thread is for discussion on the quarterback depth behind Joe Flacco this year.
I think we should carry three QBs this year as I was very impressed tonight. I was very impressed with the performances of everyone but Chester Stewart. Tyrod Taylor is a really good and athletic runner, similar to Michael Vick. I know this is dreaming big with Cam, but I'd love to see a Suggs Package like we had in 2008. I was also impressed by Curtis Painter, and we could use him for those loser snaps at the end of a route like most backups are for.
As for Chester Stewart, who needs him?
I think this could work.

[The Raven]

Ehhh. I am not totally opposed to it, but I feel like we have too much depth at other positions to carry 3 quarterbacks.

[cursona pirate]

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This thread is for discussion on the quarterback depth behind Joe Flacco this year.
I think we should carry three QBs this year as I was very impressed tonight. I was very impressed with the performances of everyone but Chester Stewart. Tyrod Taylor is a really good and athletic runner, similar to Michael Vick. I know this is dreaming big with Cam, but I'd love to see a Suggs Package like we had in 2008. I was also impressed by Curtis Painter, and we could use him for those loser snaps at the end of a route like most backups are for.
As for Chester Stewart, who needs him?
I think this could work.
[/quote] I agree so far. I want to see more of Curtis Painter still. He had a good night. Very good. How old is he?

[hawkprey]

I heard Painter looked pretty terrible in practice. Maybe the Falcon defensive backups just stink worse than ours? I remember last year Painter had some decent preseason stats with the Colts. I still don't think he makes the roster.

[1/28/01]

Definitely a big fat NO to the gimmicky "Suggs Package" or Wildcat crap! Doesnt work and just burns TO's with utter confusion.

[JO_75]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1344569930' post='1115887']
I heard Painter looked pretty terrible in practice. Maybe the Falcon defensive backups just stink worse than ours? I remember last year Painter had some decent preseason stats with the Colts. I still don't think he makes the roster.
[/quote]

Yeah I'm actually kind of mad that Painter had a good game because I was sitting there wondering where that Painter was last year when I kept hoping the Colts would win an extra game or so that could have kept Indy from getting Andrew Luck.

[PuRock]

No gimmicks. No 3rd qb.

Still a uphill battle for Painter. We'll see how serious this qb comp is if the coaches bring out Painter second in one of the next PS games.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1344575528' post='1115975']
No gimmicks. No 3rd qb.

Still a uphill battle for Painter. We'll see how serious this qb comp is if the coaches bring out Painter second in one of the next PS games.
[/quote]

Exactly. We obviously proved we have depth. Let's see how the playmakers make plays when they move up the chart.

[PolishRifle]

Painter is no Flacco, but the way he plays resembles Joes more. Making him a better replacement. Still giving Tyrod the benefit of doubt. But that preseason game puts the pressure of Taylor, no doubt.

[Yatagarasu]

We don't really need a 3rd qb. It's a shame that we can't hide Tyrod on the practice squad, since he's been in our active roster for a whole season. I say let the best man get the backup job.

However, I think the weak 3rd and 4th string Falcon Defense made Curtis look better than usual, because everyone knows how Curtis performs in the real season.

[BloodRaven]

I dont see the point in 3 QB's when we already have our franchise QB and need to develop skill players and depth. Lets say we keep all 3 with Painter as 3rd string, how often is he going to see the field? can he return kicks and punts?

[BMORElegacy]

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I dont see the point in 3 QB's when we already have our franchise QB and need to develop skill players and depth. Lets say we keep all 3 with Painter as 3rd string, how often is he going to see the field? can he return kicks and punts?
[/quote]I could be speaking out of my butt but it is my understanding that we are the exception to the rule of backup QB's. I can't speak for all the teams but it seems like we are one of the few organizations that only carry two quarterbacks.

You take a huge risk by only carrying two. Joe goes down and we're suddenly in crisis mode considering the drop off in production with Tyrod and his playing style which is prone to injury (just refer to Vick's injury history).

I remember Marc Bulger saying he wouldn't be opposed to coming back midseason if there was a crisis and we needed him last year. Maybe the FO is keeping that in their back pocket thus making them feel more comfortable about only carrying two QB's...

[display name]

OK I see your points about Painter. Still, I think Tyrod Taylor is too good an athlete to just be sitting on the bench all the time.

[jdynamite]

I'm also against carrying 3 QBs because I feel that Taylor will remain our #2 and if another QB can't challenge or beat him for that spot then there is no point in carrying a 3rd when we could have up to 6 or 7 WRs, 3 or 4 RBs... It's going to be some tough cuts made on this roster some guys are going to get snatched up before they can make it to the practice squad...

[Ravenseconbeast]

I wouldnt drink the kool-aid on curtis painter.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1344593510' post='1116061']
I could be speaking out of my butt but it is my understanding that we are the exception to the rule of backup QB's. I can't speak for all the teams but it seems like we are one of the few organizations that only carry two quarterbacks.

You take a huge risk by only carrying two. Joe goes down and we're suddenly in crisis mode considering the drop off in production with Tyrod and his playing style which is prone to injury (just refer to Vick's injury history).

I remember Marc Bulger saying he wouldn't be opposed to coming back midseason if there was a crisis and we needed him last year. Maybe the FO is keeping that in their back pocket thus making them feel more comfortable about only carrying two QB's...
[/quote]

My point is if Flacco goes down we're done, neither Tyrod, Painter or anyone left in the scrapheap is getting us to the promised land, and don't mention the likes of Dilfer or Warner or Brady those are rare 1000-1 exceptions to the rule. We live or die by Flacco.

[Free Agent]

We need the extra roster spot. Its unnecessary to keep Painter.

[K-Dog]

I realize I am not a professional in the sport of football at all, but.
it would seem to me that you would want your back up QB to be simular to your starting QB, both in size and playing style.
The reason in my mind is to minimse the differences in both playing style and size and how certain plays look and pan out.

Am I making sence ?

[NaveSenrag]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1344646030' post='1116895']
I realize I am not a professional in the sport of football at all, but.
it would seem to me that you would want your back up QB to be simular to your starting QB, both in size and playing style.
The reason in my mind is to minimse the differences in both playing style and size and how certain plays look and pan out.

Am I making sence ?
[/quote]
Agreed. That, in addition to the fact that Painter has experience playing against starters in a game situation and therefore knows what he needs to improve upon, are what are driving my preference for Painter over Taylor.

[MagicianCamille]

I'm in the "no gimmicks" crowd myself. I've never seen the benefit of the wildcat. Has any championship team ever utilized it to any significant degree?

Painter looked solid. I'd be comfortable with him as Joe's sole backup.

[arnie_uk]

I agree with blood. Flacco goes down it won't make a difference if its painter or Taylor replacing him.

You think we are run first now?

[K-Dog]

Run only?

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1344569778' post='1115884']
This thread is for discussion on the quarterback depth behind Joe Flacco this year.
I think we should carry three QBs this year as I was very impressed tonight. I was very impressed with the performances of everyone but Chester Stewart. [u][b]Tyrod Taylor is a really good and athletic runner[/b][/u], similar to Michael Vick. I know this is dreaming big with Cam, but I'd love to see a Suggs Package like we had in 2008. I was also impressed by Curtis Painter, and we could use him for those loser snaps at the end of a route like most backups are for.
As for Chester Stewart, who needs him?
I think this could work.
[/quote]

Tyrod is not just a good "runner" smh!

~Mili

[Pino]

i'm still in disbelief with painter's performance. i doubt this could happen, but throw in painter or tyrod with the Ones to see what they can really do against a starting defense. i'm discouraged by tyrod's inaccuracy, but they keep saying he has a good arm. and he runs better than troy smith, i hate to hear those comparisons.

but let's get real, the problem with our quarterbacks is the same - Cam Cameron

[Ravenslifer]

If Joe goes down I think we'd revert back to more of the ground and pound style from 2008. Tyrod doesn't have Joe's accuracy on the deep ball, so those will be dialed down as well I expect. But with a full season and offseason under his belt, Tyrod should be good to go. I'm just curious as to whether Painter will be cut or if we will keep a 3rd QB on the roster ( I have to say if we kept a third QB, I'd rather sign Mark Brunell since I feel he could be a mentor to Joe and Tyrod the way Bulger was in 2010).

[Lightlock]

I was a big fan of Tyrod being the backup guy last year, though honestly I didn't get to see much of him in action outside of the preseason games and his bit of participation during the season. Having seen him in the last two preseason games this year, and then also watching what Painter has done, I'm actually leaning more towards Painter. Mind you, neither of them is really one I feel completely comfortable with if Joe ever goes down, but Painter does seem to have a little more of an edge over Tyrod.

Tyrod seems to have two options: Rocket-speed pass regardless of where the guy is and who is defending him, OR run the ball himself. He does run the ball fairly well, but with his limitations, teams will be able to plan around his run option easily if they expect him to be on the field.

Painter's throws have a little more variety it seems, but he seems to be off-target more often.

If I had to put a number on it, I'd say it is probably 53/47 in favor of Painter. Tyrod had a ton of reps in the 2nd game to try and impress, and while he did escape a few potential disasters, I think Painter's TDs in the 1st game gives him the upper hand.

[Malkavian Raven]

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I was a big fan of Tyrod being the backup guy last year, though honestly I didn't get to see much of him in action outside of the preseason games and his bit of participation during the season. Having seen him in the last two preseason games this year, and then also watching what Painter has done, I'm actually leaning more towards Painter. Mind you, neither of them is really one I feel completely comfortable with if Joe ever goes down, but Painter does seem to have a little more of an edge over Tyrod.

Tyrod seems to have two options: Rocket-speed pass regardless of where the guy is and who is defending him, OR run the ball himself. He does run the ball fairly well, but with his limitations, teams will be able to plan around his run option easily if they expect him to be on the field.

Painter's throws have a little more variety it seems, but he seems to be off-target more often.

If I had to put a number on it, I'd say it is probably 53/47 in favor of Painter. Tyrod had a ton of reps in the 2nd game to try and impress, and while he did escape a few potential disasters, I think Painter's TDs in the 1st game gives him the upper hand.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]A lot of people gave Painter crap last year for what he did (or didn't do) with the Colts last season, but my argument was the same as most in that he had the same O-line that cause Manning to have multiple neck surgeries, took Orlovsky out, took Collins out. I always thought Painter would be a good middle-of-the-pack type quarterback if you got him a decent O-line. Turns out, I was right.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Right now, I'm about 55/45 with Painter & Taylor; it's going to take the final two preseason games before I make up my mind.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Malkavian Raven[/i][/font]

[AsianRice]

So far Painter is abit ahead of Taylor; the next 2 preseason game would have clear picture of who will step up in case of Flacco goes down.....

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Malkavian Raven' timestamp='1345350128' post='1123631']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]A lot of people gave Painter crap last year for what he did (or didn't do) with the Colts last season, but my argument was the same as most in that he had the same O-line that cause Manning to have multiple neck surgeries, took Orlovsky out, took Collins out. I always thought Painter would be a good middle-of-the-pack type quarterback if you got him a decent O-line. Turns out, I was right.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Right now, I'm about 55/45 with Painter & Taylor; it's going to take the final two preseason games before I make up my mind.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Malkavian Raven[/i][/font]
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I agree with this........You can't judge Painter by last year's performance at indy.

On the surface, he has advantages over Tyrod; Good performance in the first pre season game, built like a QB, reunited with Caldwell and NFL game experience.

Tyrod is a great athlete, but I'm not real fond of the "Vick type" QB. If he did have to step in for Joe(God forbid!)it would be a complete change of game plan and an awkward transition. Conversely, Painter is a "classic" style QB and would be a much smoother transition.
That said, I'll reserve final judgement until we see Painter get the playing time in the next game.

Keep 3 QBs? No, no and no. We have too many other talented players on the bubble at other positions to use a roster spot for gimmick plays.

[ravensfan520]

Flacco and Taylor are my picks. Taylor will be a good qb and Painter is playing well against third and fourth dbs and with the depth we have at wr and RB he looks like a starter but he doesn't fair well in practice it is rumoured against good defenses and Taylor is. That's why I say yes to Taylor andno to painter. As a third qb we can run Boldin out at qb and run a lot of short routes. He was a qb in college.