"Ravens fans wanted to run Flacco out of town last year" - Steve Wyche

[RavenManiac#7]

I've been a Joe Flacco fan since his rookie season. I NEVER have wanted him to get outta town. His records speak for themselves. Every year....playoffs. Most wins first four seasons. Those two factors show his superiority to Matt Ryan. And Joe never had the weapons Ryan had to work with. And I'm very tired of hearing the so called experts say he has to win a SB to be considered an elite QB. Teams win SBs, not individuals. Are they saying that Dan Marino was not an elite QB? I think he was and I'm not going to say he wasn't because he never won a SB. Teams win SBs. Teams!

[JacobYanez]

Flacco needs to get more consistent. Hands down. In big games he's pretty golden. However, in games where he should destroy, he looks like a rookie that was drafted out of a D2 school. I don't understand why he isn't good all of the time.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='JacobYanez' timestamp='1347127741' post='1142350']
Flacco needs to get more consistent. Hands down. In big games he's pretty golden. However, in games where he should destroy, he looks like a rookie that was drafted out of a D2 school. I don't understand why he isn't good all of the time.
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Well, luckily for us--save for any big injuries like Brady going down a few years back--every game this year is a big game lol.

[reediddy]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1344520099' post='1113555']
Yeah, that's not true at all... maybe a loud minority wanted him gone, but certainly not most Ravens fans.
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the same loud minority in New York that wanted Coughlin gone

[Free Agent]

[quote name='JacobYanez' timestamp='1347127741' post='1142350']
Flacco needs to get more consistent. Hands down. In big games he's pretty golden. However, in games where he should destroy, he looks like a rookie that was drafted out of a D2 school. I don't understand why he isn't good all of the time.
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NO quarterback is good ALL of the time. Even Rodgers, Peyton, and Mrs. Brady have their share of rough games.

But I do think this will be the year that Flacco shows some real improvement in the consistency department.

[The Raven]

[quote name='JacobYanez' timestamp='1347127741' post='1142350']
Flacco needs to get more consistent. Hands down. In big games he's pretty golden. However, in games where he should destroy, he looks like a rookie that was drafted out of a D2 school. I don't understand why he isn't good all of the time.
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Because every QB in the NFL isn't good all of the time. Even Peyton Manning and Rodgers have stretches where they struggle.

[Malkavian Raven]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]I must not being watching the same games as everyone else. I thought Flacco only played one position, not all 22.[/i][/font]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]Weird.[/i][/font]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]~ Malkavian Raven[/i][/font]

[Jabara]

I haven't read the entire thread, but does anyone think that if Flacco has a great season that Caldwell my replace Cameron?

[The Raven]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1347168694' post='1142820']
I haven't read the entire thread, but does anyone think that if Flacco has a great season that Caldwell my replace Cameron?
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Doubtful. If he has a great season, that would indicate that he performs well with Cam as the OC and Caldwell as the QB coach. Flacco having a great year would solidify Cam's spot. I have no idea how Flacco could perform well and Cam still get fired.

[Jabara]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1347168856' post='1142822']
Doubtful. If he has a great season, that would indicate that he performs well with Cam as the OC and Caldwell as the QB coach. Flacco having a great year would solidify Cam's spot. I have no idea how Flacco could perform well and Cam still get fired.
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True, but it is being said that this change of huddle is a product of Caldwell. In order for the Ravens to keep Caldwell, they will have to advance him, because it's not like other teams wouldn't give him an offer more than just QB coach. It is a business.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1347169056' post='1142823']
True, but it is being said that this change of huddle is a product of Caldwell. In order for the Ravens to keep Caldwell, they will have to advance him, because it's not like other teams wouldn't give him an offer more than just QB coach. It is a business.
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If it came down to it, I feel like we would promote Caldwell and ditch Cam.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1347169056' post='1142823']

True, but it is being said that this change of huddle is a product of Caldwell. In order for the Ravens to keep Caldwell, they will have to advance him, because it's not like other teams wouldn't give him an offer more than just QB coach. It is a business.
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I would think the no huddle is a product of joe finally mastering this offense and the coaches believing that.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1347169261' post='1142827']
I would think the no huddle is a product of joe finally mastering this offense and the coaches believing that.
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While I believe that, it [i]just so happens[/i] that it came about when Caldwell came aboard.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1347169534' post='1142829']

While I believe that, it [i]just so happens[/i] that it came about when Caldwell came aboard.
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So did what I refer to as "Joeys Fifth Year". Caldwell is certainly having an influence and positive impact because he's here, but this has been coming regardless.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1347169688' post='1142830']
So did what I refer to as "Joeys Fifth Year". Caldwell is certainly having an influence and positive impact because he's here, but this has been coming regardless.
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I mentioned I didn't read the whole thread, Im gonna play that card.
I agree though, especially when Joe is coming from a small school, it's going to take more time for him to understand situations in the NFL, been saying that forever. It is Flacco's time, but do you think running the no huddle is something Cam would have done by himself, without the influence of Caldwell, as if he was never hired?
I understand it is becomming more of a trend in the NFL. I'm not convinced Cam would have followed along, had it not been for Caldwell, who in my opinion, is there to light a fire under Cam's [i]thang[/i].
Bisciotti did mention Cam is on the hotseat. After this season, a decision will be made between Caldwell and Cam.
Otherwise, if Cam wins the job, Caldwell may very well go elsewhere.

[Purple Nurple]

If we do what I think we will do, cam will keep his job. We will probably never know if it was strictly caldwells influence or not. I think it's just a great combo at the perfect time. I think cams offense in joes hands with caldwells coaching equals much win.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1347170667' post='1142835']
If we do what I think we will do, cam will keep his job. We will probably never know if it was strictly caldwells influence or not. I think it's just a great combo at the perfect time. I think cams offense in joes hands with caldwells coaching equals much win.
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I agree, but the point I;m trying to make is do you think Caldwell will stick around, just as a QB coach?

I really don't think so, especially if Flacco's stock goes way up.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1347171103' post='1142841']

I agree, but the point I;m trying to make is do you think Caldwell will stick around, just as a QB coach?

I really don't think so, especially if Flacco's stock goes way up.
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Yeah. I doubt it. If joes stock goes up, so follows cams.

[Jabara]

Ok. You keep going at it, maybe I'm not making myself clear, but what I must be getting at is would you rather have Cam or Caldwell calling the plays and coaching Joe?
Can we keep both next season? I doubt it, we got Caldwell real quick.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1347169688' post='1142830']
So did what I refer to as "Joeys Fifth Year". Caldwell is certainly having an influence and positive impact because he's here, but this has been coming regardless.
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Clearly Cameron assumed he would have a Drew Brees/Sean Payton kind of relationship with Joe, after Jim Zorn got fired. It clearly didn't work out. Caldwell puts another coach between the both of them and will keep Joe's mechanics sharp, which did in my opinion improve greatly.

I actually believe that "Joeys Fourth Year" could've been his break out year, he already had the familiarity with the system, he clearly could run an up-tempo offense (just look at that drive in Pitt) and he certainly did become the leader of that offense by the end of last season.

The reasons why it didn't work out? Well the lack of off-season is one, the inexperience of his receivers another, the lack of a QB coach was a huge mistake that made him "rust" as the season progressed (just compare Joes performance in the first half of the regular season with the last) and of course the general difficulty of last years schedule which only made last years problems worse.

Last season was still productive though. Joe exorcised many deamons (Sweeping the Steelers, putting the team on his back against Arizona and so on) shutting up many critics along the way (Jaime Dukes for example). His new young receivers all proved to be great talents and started gravitating towards Joe as their leader (evident by the last couple interviews they have given).

He should be heading towards this season with more confidence then ever. In himself and his arm, his receivers, the gameplan and the coaches and that is usually the last building block of a great QB, feeling confident in yourself and everyone around you. That is what essentially gets the ball out of your hand faster, makes you throw tough passes and keeps you alive after you made a mistake.

That's my two cents to the whole Flacco issue anyway. In the end we will have to wait for that game against the Bengals to see the "new" Flacco tested in a real game situation and if our offense truly will look diffrent.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1347171532' post='1142845']
Ok. You keep going at it, maybe I'm not making myself clear, but what I must be getting at is would you rather have Cam or Caldwell calling the plays and coaching Joe?
Can we keep both next season? I doubt it, we got Caldwell real quick.
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This is why I don't get into it in text. I got what you're saying. I hate typing more than two sentences on my phone.

I can't say who I prefer unless I had a sampling of Caldwell calling calls for us. I don't think he will be here if we blow up. He will be an OC at least...somewhere.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1347172570' post='1142848']
This is why I don't get into it in text. I got what you're saying. I hate typing more than two sentences on my phone.

I can't say who I prefer unless I had a sampling of Caldwell calling calls for us. I don't think he will be here if we blow up. He will be an OC at least...somewhere.
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On your phone, I understand that. it sucks.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1347168694' post='1142820']
I haven't read the entire thread, but does anyone think that if Flacco has a great season that Caldwell my replace Cameron?
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I think he already has, to a certain extent, replaced Cam by providing valuable input and training. Anyone who thinks the revamping of the offense and Caldwell's involvement don't go hand in hand is just wrong. Whether he formally replaces Cameron in the future remains to be seen. I sure hope he remains a Raven, somehow, some way.

[RavensWin09]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1347190264' post='1142867']
I think he already has, to a certain extent, replaced Cam by providing valuable input and training. Anyone who thinks the revamping of the offense and Caldwell's involvement don't go hand in hand is just wrong. Whether he formally replaces Cameron in the future remains to be seen. I[b] sure hope he remains a Raven, somehow, some way.[/b]
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or flacco will go more ballistic than he did when zorn left.