"Ravens fans wanted to run Flacco out of town last year" - Steve Wyche

[52Strong]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1344539811' post='1113976']
Exactly.

Run out of town? Not quite, just don't think he deserves to be talked up as a great QB yet. I know what is out there, he is better than at least half of the league. Just wish he would show some inconsistency with his mobility.
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[size=4][color=#222222][font='Arial','sans-serif']I would imagine a few folks on this board would care about the perception that is being cast upon them across the national media. A blanket statement like that is irresponsible and a poor reflection on Ravens Fans.[/font][/color][/size][color=#222222][font='Arial','sans-serif'][size=2][/size][/font][/color]
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[size=4][color="#000000"][font="Calibri"]But then again, this is just my opinion….[/font][/color][/size][size="3"][color="#000000"] [/color][/size]

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344534187' post='1113834']
I showed you players qoutes.. I can show you more questioning Mularkey..I can also show you some where players say our team work better when Ryan is allowed to do him (no huddle)


I'm not putting it all on Mularkey .. Its on Ryan to... Im not judging him by the "young QB" thing any more.. Im judging him by the top 5 QB's now... Those guys get themselves into good plays when an OC doesnt make the right call...Some one wrote an article on the 4th and inches plays and said how Mularkey basically told the D what we was doing by the alignments and not having a RB in the back field... Even tho those plays were bad...they stacked the box because no RB was in the back field so they knew it was a QB sneak.... the top QBs is not affraid to get themsleves out of bad plays.....
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This is what I don't like about the national media, well the media period. They just don't know as much as most die hard fans, yet they report as if they know it all.

All i've heard is that Matt Ryan is in full controll of his offense, and he has the power to audible when he wants. In fact, most fans around here who perfer Ryan to Flacco, do so because they feel he has full range of his offense. Now you say that this isn't the case, that in fact Matt Ryan is being held back by his OC.

I watch games under the impression that Matt Ryan is in full control of his offense, so when I see his performances, they often don't measure up to that, which is one of my issues with him. But if what you are saying is true, then that would explain why, his play doesn't match their praise, because they don't know what they are talking about.

[raven32]

I think we have a solid chance this year if we all give it 100/percent on the feild .We have been to playoffs back to back and came so close last year !!!ya we dont have suggs but winning is a team thing so we can win if we play as a team..Go raven footaball

[atljbo]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1344538983' post='1113956']
You can't "adjust" a lack of arm strength. I'm not saying Ryan isn't a good QB, because he certainly is. I commend him for what he's accomplished, but I take exception the idea that we would've won multiple Superbowls with Ryan instead of Flacco because it's a ludicrous suggestion. Ryan thrives in his situation, Flacco thrives in his. I'm not trying to bash your QB, but if people come in to a Ravens board and take shots at Flacco they can't expect to not receive some shots in return. And I'll stop questioning Ryan's toughness when he proves that he can win games in the postseason.
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Yea like Brady has the strongest arm or like brady hasnt improved his arm strength since entering the league.. you are right sir.

[atljbo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1344541268' post='1113997']
This is what I don't like about the national media, well the media period. They just don't know as much as most die hard fans, yet they report as if they know it all.

All i've heard is that Matt Ryan is in full controll of his offense, and he has the power to audible when he wants. In fact, most fans around here who perfer Ryan to Flacco, do so because they feel he has full range of his offense. Now you say that this isn't the case, that in fact Matt Ryan is being held back by his OC.

I watch games under the impression that Matt Ryan is in full control of his offense, so when I see his performances, they often don't measure up to that, which is one of my issues with him. But if what you are saying is true, then that would explain why, his play doesn't match their praise, because they don't know what they are talking about.
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Its not what im just saying... Im showing you what players were saying.


Naw what they are seeing (especially Steve Wyche since he has a good inside info on the falcons) ... He sees what Ryan can do when the game is placed in Ryans hand... Vs you guys.. It was a short week so the OC couldnt over think things so the game was placed in Matt Ryans hands ... When dude has control... We have a top tier offense... But our OC didnt like the no huddle... So our head coach made the calls to get us into no huddle.... We brought in Dirk Koetter because this will 100% be Matt Ryans offense now...

I dont want top dog out Mularkey like he sucks... The guy is good for a rookie or young QB but its just Matt Ryan out grew him and his scheme... Matt Ryan would go to the coaches and tell them its time to throw a deep ball.... Its just Mularkey is very conservative.


But yea alot of "experts" only go by what they hear... They dont do research

[redrum52]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344542634' post='1114025']

Yea like Brady has the strongest arm or like brady hasnt improved his arm strength since entering the league.. you are right sir.
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I never thought Brady's arm was that weak to begin with. It will get better but I think playing in a dome will work against him unless securing home field. Nothing against him and his o-fer in playoff games but the fact most qbs who play in a dome notice a drop off in play when in elements that late in the year. The one year Peyton won it he beat us at home cause our offense couldn't put up points and then NE had to go to Indy. You rewatch that SB and he didnt really play that well.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344542993' post='1114035']
Its not what im just saying... Im showing you what players were saying.


Naw what they are seeing (especially Steve Wyche since he has a good inside info on the falcons) ... He sees what Ryan can do when the game is placed in Ryans hand... Vs you guys.. It was a short week so the OC couldnt over think things so the game was placed in Matt Ryans hands ... When dude has control... We have a top tier offense... But our OC didnt like the no huddle... So our head coach made the calls to get us into no huddle.... We brought in Dirk Koetter because this will 100% be Matt Ryans offense now...

I dont want top dog out Mularkey like he sucks... The guy is good for a rookie or young QB but its just Matt Ryan out grew him and his scheme... Matt Ryan would go to the coaches and tell them its time to throw a deep ball.... Its just Mularkey is very conservative.


But yea alot of "experts" only go by what they hear... They dont do research
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No i'm not saying you are saying it directly, just that without you coming here to say it, I wouldn't know because I don't follow the Falcons that closely.

[atljbo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1344544528' post='1114057']
No i'm not saying you are saying it directly, just that without you coming here to say it, I wouldn't know because I don't follow the Falcons that closely.
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I understand

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1344522202' post='1113593']
I hate how in the two dozen "Ryan Vs Flacco" debates they have never mentioned the quality of defenses the two go against. Ryan plays more than [b]half his games in a dome[/b] (8 home games plus at least 1 road game against the Saints) while Joe plays outside. Joe also faces nearly constant top 10 defenses while Ryan faces defenses like Tampa Bay, New Orleans, and Carolina twice a year. We saw in the Rams game last year what Joe can do in a dome against a bad defense.
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Just look at what Flacco did to Ryan's division last year - 3-1, 8 TDs, 2 picks, completed over 70 percent of his passes in 2 of the games, and the lowest QB rating he put up in the 4 games was 99.5. That's with all of his receivers being 30+ years old and past their primes. In Ryan's lone game against Pittsburgh he had a QB rating of 68 and his team lost - now remember that wasn't even with Roethlisberger but with Dixon starting for the Steelers.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Falcons2k' timestamp='1344537264' post='1113912']
If Matt was the Ravens QB you guys would have a superbowl or two.

Yes we have weapons but it doesnt matter when your O-line(minus 2010 when we beat you guys) and and terrible defense.
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If he played the way he did against the Roethlisberger-less Steelers, we wouldn't even make the playoffs.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='Falcons2k' timestamp='1344537264' post='1113912']
If Matt was the Ravens QB you guys would have a superbowl or two.

Yes we have weapons but it doesnt matter when your O-line(minus 2010 when we beat you guys) and and terrible defense.
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To win the super bowl you have to thrive under pressure. Matt Ryan does not. This is not debatable.

[ThePurpleWall]

Shakes Head

[Tiz]

[quote name='52Strong' timestamp='1344519116' post='1113535']
[size=4][color=#222222][font=Arial','sans-serif]I don't have the exact quote but this mooring on NFL AM Steve Wyche, while answering the question of who he would trust more Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan? Answered that He would choose Ryan and followed with "Up until the early half of last year, Ravens fan were looking to run Flacco out of town!"[/font][/color]

[color=#222222][font=Arial','sans-serif]I'd love to hear you opinions on this... I personally think Joe is the best QB we've had in our franchise's short history and want nothing more than to keep him around for the long haul. To Wyche's point, I felt this way long before the early half of last year.[/font][/color][/size]
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Meh. I never got that impression.
People wanted (and a lot still do) cam ran out of town but never heard the flacco thing.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1344546717' post='1114090']


Just look at what Flacco did to Ryan's division last year - 3-1, 8 TDs, 2 picks, completed over 70 percent of his passes in 2 of the games, and the lowest QB rating he put up in the 4 games was 99.5. That's with all of his receivers being 30+ years old and past their primes. In Ryan's lone game against Pittsburgh he had a QB rating of 68 and his team lost - now remember that wasn't even with Roethlisberger but with Dixon starting for the Steelers.
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[PurpleReign92]

I think more people are trying to run the Offensive Coordinator out of town. The last 3-4 season very little blame was thrown on the QB rather the Play caller Cam..

[baltravens]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1344519201' post='1113536']
Who cares?
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...couldn't have said it better myself. This guy now is a virtual nobody.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1344519654' post='1113546']
Hahaha. [u][b]Shaking my head[/b][/u].
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me too!

~Mili

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1344789455' post='1117560']
I think more people are trying to run the Offensive Coordinator out of town. The last 3-4 season very little blame was thrown on the QB rather the Play caller Cam..
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[PeRK82]

[quote name='52Strong' timestamp='1344519116' post='1113535']
[size=4][font=Arial','sans-serif]I don't have the exact quote but this mooring on NFL AM Steve Wyche, while answering the question of who he would trust more Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan? Answered that He would choose Ryan and followed with "Up until the early half of last year, Ravens fan were looking to run Flacco out of town!"[/font]

[font=Arial','sans-serif]I'd love to hear you opinions on this... I personally think Joe is the best QB we've had in our franchise's short history and want nothing more than to keep him around for the long haul. To Wyche's point, I felt this way long before the early half of last year.[/font][/size]
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I agree with you 100 percent, Im behind Joe 100%. I can say with confidence that Joe can take us to and win the S.B.
I have no idea what this guy Wyche is talking about. If he is going to voice his opinion , atleast get it right. The fans were and still are ready to run Cam out of town, Not Flacco. I think 95% of the Fans are behind Flacco.
If anyone with half a mind to football would know Flacco isn't the problem, its the O LINE more than anything. We couldn't get a first down because Flacco was being rushed and didn't even have time to look for a Wr. You saw when he had more than 3 seconds , we scored.
Flacco was 9 for 13 (think for 88 yrds)
Ryan was 9 for 12 with an INT. (think for 140 ish, and that's with alot of Y.A.C)

Ryan had all day to throw. Nuff Said.

[scrock]

Only the fools with short term memory and those who never liked Joe would want to run him out of town...there's a lot more I could say too but I don't want to get it trouble with the mods

Joe is the BEST QB the Ravens have ever had, he put us in the SB last year, he drove us down the field, he put the ball in Lee Evans' hands in the endzone..SUPERBOWL!!! ....drop.....AHHHH

so yeah, Joe has done everything the Ravens have asked, his numbers dropped last year for a reason(s)...

[Ravenslifer]

You know not too long ago Giants fans wanted to run Eli out of town. Once Indy fans thought "Peyton will always choke in the playoffs and we'll never win a ring". Heck, once upon a time San Diego thought Drew Brees was done, and Miami thought the same.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1344998816' post='1119292']
You know not to long ago Giants fans wanted to run Eli out of town. Once Indy fans thought "Peyton will always choke in the playoffs and we'll never win a ring". [b] Heck, once upon a time San Diego thought Drew Brees was done, and Miami thought the same.[/b]
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coughCamCameroncough

[Yum Chickens]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1344533713' post='1113818']
Contrary to popular belief, our Wide Receivers actually played better than ATL's receivers last year. The ATL receivers are bigger names, but Roddy White dropped so many passes last year and Matt Ryan forced so many plays to him. Julio Jones was better than our receivers, but he was hurt a lot of the season and Roddy White's inefficiency brought the whole group down.

Roddy White was targeted by himself (176, which lead the NFL) almost as many times as Boldin (106) and Smith (95) combined. 8.6 yards per target for Boldin and Smith vs 7.2 for Roddy White alone and 8.3 for Roddy White and Julio Jones combined. They just have a bigger sample size because Flacco targets more players (Rice, Dickson, Pitta, etc).

Our offensive line is also a bit better than ATLs in both run and pass blocking. Our offense is a bit more conservative, so we don't have the point totals of Atlanta, but situationally Joe performed better than Ryan in pressure situations (goal line, 3rd down, 4th quarter, etc).

Overall, I'd say they're about equal in ability. Matty has the edge in that his offense is higher-powered and he's a more accurate passer. Joe is the better situational QB and can handle pressure from opposing defenses better.

In terms of running Flacco outta town, I don't think that's true. From my experience, it was mostly the media doing so, not the actual fans.
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Facts! Madness! Wow this is actually kinda nice haha.

But I mean wasn't a problem with our receivers last year is that they couldn't get separation? Not sure if any info is on that to compare with Atlanta.

[Tiz]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1345017760' post='1119354']


coughCamCameroncough
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Coughajsmithcough

Marty s wanted Brees
Aj wanted rivers
I know you hate cam but that doesn't mean he is the reason for global warming, car accidents, and your feeling inadequate

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1345017760' post='1119354']
coughCamCameroncough
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Actually they let Brees go after the 05 season, when Nick Saban was still the HC of the Dolphins. Cam was still the OC of San Diego - he didn't coach Miami until 07.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1345059308' post='1119769']


Actually they let Brees go after the 05 season, when Nick Saban was still the HC of the Dolphins. Cam was still the OC of San Diego - he didn't coach Miami until 07.
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I still vote we blame Cam

[Dudeman]

Really comparing Ryan and Flacco is utterly pointless. The jury is always going to be 50/50 on this one until their careers are over and then they will judge it mostly on pro-bowls, play-off wins, and championships.

Let's put it this way. They both have a ton of upside and are very talented players. Ozzie proposed a kings ransom to pick in the Rams spot that year in order to pick up Ryan. So you know he liked the guy. Who knows how each of their careers would look if they were drafted by the opposite teams. Maybe Ryan wouldn't hold up in the AFC north, or maybe he wins us a championship? Maybe Flacco would be the number one fantasy QB in ATL, or maybe he falls off into obscurity.

Again, bottom line is both players are super talented, on the cusp of eliteness, and are going to be around for a long time.

[ravensgirl20]

Guess he missed all the wacko for Flacco shirts. No way in a million years I would want Matt Ryan. Joe has brought us to the playoffs every year he's been here. I really don't understand why this debate even has legs anylonger.

[Tiz]

[quote name='Dudeman' timestamp='1345059486' post='1119773']
Really comparing Ryan and Flacco is utterly pointless. The jury is always going to be 50/50 on this one until their careers are over and then they will judge it mostly on pro-bowls, play-off wins, and championships.

Let's put it this way. They both have a ton of upside and are very talented players. Ozzie proposed a kings ransom to pick in the Rams spot that year in order to pick up Ryan. So you know he liked the guy. Who knows how each of their careers would look if they were drafted by the opposite teams. Maybe Ryan wouldn't hold up in the AFC north, or maybe he wins us a championship? Maybe Flacco would be the number one fantasy QB in ATL, or maybe he falls off into obscurity.

Again, bottom line is both players are super talented, on the cusp of eliteness, and are going to be around for a long time.
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I prefer to compare Carson and Matt Ryan.
Neither has won a playoff game and both ha e had pro bowl visits

[da#1ravensfan]

Skurt