"Ravens fans wanted to run Flacco out of town last year" - Steve Wyche

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344523665' post='1113622']
every argument 1 guy picks Flacco one guy picks Ryan... Im not gonna knock Flacco to make Ryan look better.. I think Flacco is very talented and is a good QB... I would perfer Ryan but i cant knock Flacco
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Since you're a Falcons fan, I see your point: you'd prefer the devil you know than the one you don't.

But, that said, you're not likely to win any Flacco-Ryan arguments on this board.

[Ed_Reed20]

I love when national analysts talk as if they have a pulse on local sports fan; they usually end up looking foolish.

[Suggs Package]

Contrary to popular belief, our Wide Receivers actually played better than ATL's receivers last year. The ATL receivers are bigger names, but Roddy White dropped so many passes last year and Matt Ryan forced so many plays to him. Julio Jones was better than our receivers, but he was hurt a lot of the season and Roddy White's inefficiency brought the whole group down.

Roddy White was targeted by himself (176, which lead the NFL) almost as many times as Boldin (106) and Smith (95) combined. 8.6 yards per target for Boldin and Smith vs 7.2 for Roddy White alone and 8.3 for Roddy White and Julio Jones combined. They just have a bigger sample size because Flacco targets more players (Rice, Dickson, Pitta, etc).

Our offensive line is also a bit better than ATLs in both run and pass blocking. Our offense is a bit more conservative, so we don't have the point totals of Atlanta, but situationally Joe performed better than Ryan in pressure situations (goal line, 3rd down, 4th quarter, etc).

Overall, I'd say they're about equal in ability. Matty has the edge in that his offense is higher-powered and he's a more accurate passer. Joe is the better situational QB and can handle pressure from opposing defenses better.

In terms of running Flacco outta town, I don't think that's true. From my experience, it was mostly the media doing so, not the actual fans.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344530002' post='1113745']
Good question... Its partly on Matt Ryan and partly on our Old OC.... Ill show you this qoute by Roddy white and another player

Im not trying to throw full blame on Mularkey.. He did some good things for us but i think Ryan out grew his coaching.. Our team worked top notch when Ryan was allowed to control the game (no huddle) ... Roddy White said Coach Smith had to get us in and out of no huddle because Mularkey didnt "like" no huddle alot.

I feel like th 35 pass stat is the most misleading stat of all... if you watch our games.. [b]This team clearly leaves and die by Matt Ryan play.... Its very very rare that Matt Ryan has a bad game and we win...[/b] During that Houston game.. It deoesnt show how Julio droped a game tieing TD or in that Tampa or saints (1st saints game) it doesnt say how Roddy dropped game winning catches (Rowdy lead the league in drops last year) ... Its just like the turner .. If he has 20 plus carries our record is such and such... Go look at Turners carry per average each game... besides 2 HUGE 10 yards a carry games (which made his stats look good) .. take away those.. He would average under 4 yards a carry last year.

But yea.. Back to the main topic... It was partly coaching (i waould say %65) and partly on Ryan who needs to grab the bulls by its hard and take over this offense/team like he seem to be doing... Dude is tired of hearing the playoff stuff... He can only fix it by winning.
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Judging by the bolded statement I think you're blaming Mularkey for something that isn't his fault. Most fans blame their OC when things aren't going well because they always want to side with their QB. If the team lives (I assume that's the word you meant) and dies with how Matt Ryan plays, how is Mularkey the problem?

[atljbo]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1344533065' post='1113803']
Since you're a Falcons fan, I see your point: you'd prefer the devil you know than the one you don't.

But, that said, you're not likely to win any Flacco-Ryan arguments on this board.
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No .. Trust me.. we have had this discussions on this board about that topic... it went about 25 pages in the past...lol... I just think thats a endless convo

[codizzle]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344533766' post='1113821']


No .. Trust me.. we have had this discussions on this board about that topic... it went about 25 pages in the past...lol... I just think thats a endless convo
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Haha that was fun.. 20 vs 1

[redrum52]

That's funny cause 1st game of the year he was surgical against the Steelers. I call shenanigans. Maybe he meant Joe's OC?

[atljbo]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1344533752' post='1113820']
Judging by the bolded statement I think you're blaming Mularkey for something that isn't his fault. Most fans blame their OC when things aren't going well because they always want to side with their QB. If the team lives (I assume that's the word you meant) and dies with how Matt Ryan plays, how is Mularkey the problem?
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I showed you players qoutes.. I can show you more questioning Mularkey..I can also show you some where players say our team work better when Ryan is allowed to do him (no huddle)


I'm not putting it all on Mularkey .. Its on Ryan to... Im not judging him by the "young QB" thing any more.. Im judging him by the top 5 QB's now... Those guys get themselves into good plays when an OC doesnt make the right call...Some one wrote an article on the 4th and inches plays and said how Mularkey basically told the D what we was doing by the alignments and not having a RB in the back field... Even tho those plays were bad...they stacked the box because no RB was in the back field so they knew it was a QB sneak.... the top QBs is not affraid to get themsleves out of bad plays.....

[atljbo]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1344534075' post='1113828']
Haha that was fun.. 20 vs 1
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not for me..lol

[atljbo]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1344533713' post='1113818']
Contrary to popular belief, our Wide Receivers actually played better than ATL's receivers last year. The ATL receivers are bigger names, but Roddy White dropped so many passes last year and Matt Ryan forced so many plays to him. Julio Jones was better than our receivers, but he was hurt a lot of the season and Roddy White's inefficiency brought the whole group down.

Roddy White was targeted by himself (176, which lead the NFL) almost as many times as Boldin (106) and Smith (95) combined. 8.6 yards per target for Boldin and Smith vs 7.2 for Roddy White alone and 8.3 for Roddy White and Julio Jones combined. They just have a bigger sample size because Flacco targets more players (Rice, Dickson, Pitta, etc).

Our offensive line is also a bit better than ATLs in both run and pass blocking. Our offense is a bit more conservative, so we don't have the point totals of Atlanta, but situationally Joe performed better than Ryan in pressure situations (goal line, 3rd down, 4th quarter, etc).

Overall, I'd say they're about equal in ability. Matty has the edge in that his offense is higher-powered and he's a more accurate passer. Joe is the better situational QB and can handle pressure from opposing defenses better.

In terms of running Flacco outta town, I don't think that's true. From my experience, it was mostly the media doing so, not the actual fans.
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Im glad someone could unblindly recognize those things....

[Moderator 2]

I guess Steve Wyche is a fan of Preston? Looks like my media boycott will continue. I was so excited to get NFLN now yuck

[hawkprey]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344534187' post='1113834']
I showed you players qoutes.. I can show you more questioning Mularkey..I can also show you some where players say our team work better when Ryan is allowed to do him (no huddle)

I'm not putting it all on Mularkey .. Its on Ryan to... Im not judging him by the "young QB" thing any more.. Im judging him by the top 5 QB's now... Those guys get themselves into good plays when an OC doesnt make the right call...Some one wrote an article on the 4th and inches plays and said how Mularkey basically told the D what we was doing by the alignments and not having a RB in the back field... Even tho those plays were bad...they stacked the box because no RB was in the back field so they knew it was a QB sneak.... the top QBs is not affraid to get themsleves out of bad plays.....
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Yes, I read what you wrote, and I would expect there'd be players questioning their coaches after an embarrassing playoff performance. We had the same situation after our Jacksonville game. I don't have an extensive knowledge of the Falcons either. But I believe Mularkey was pretty highly regarded before the playoffs last year.

As far as the no huddle, you realize the no-huddle is designed to make the QB more effective? But it needs to be used in certain situations. No-huddle is most popular when you're behind and the defense is playing a softer "bend but don't break" mentality that makes it easier to move the ball but harder to make a big play. Most quarterbacks are going to look better when their team goes into a no-huddle. Calling it at the right times can be considered good coordinating. Calling it too much, even when it works, isn't necessarily the answer.

I won't call Matt Ryan a bad QB or anything, I'm just saying the OC is normally the scapegoat for the offense.

[Grapple Raven]

[i]Suggestion for the front office of the NFL Channel...perhaps you can let go of some of the people you have hired masquerading as analysts, and put that money into your research department so you can start using current data. Heath Evans and Jamie Dukes would make a good start![/i]

[Gordo52]

Yeah, this just shows why I hate NFLN and the majority of their "anaylist". Its just frustrating. When we win the big game, it's going to be because of our 'aging, injury riddled defense' ...The media sucks, two sided idiots.

[B33MORE]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344523665' post='1113622']
every argument 1 guy picks Flacco one guy picks Ryan... Im not gonna knock Flacco to make Ryan look better.. I think Flacco is very talented and is a good QB... I would perfer Ryan but i cant knock Flacco
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The opinion is fair. Wrong...no accounting for bad taste... but fair. Jus messin... I think it would only be fair for Joe supporters to admit that Ryan is a decent QB but that in Purple and Black Joe fits better.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='52Strong' timestamp='1344519116' post='1113535']
[size=4][color=#222222][font=Arial','sans-serif]I don't have the exact quote but this mooring on NFL AM Steve Wyche, while answering the question of who he would trust more Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan? Answered that He would choose Ryan and followed with "Up until the early half of last year, Ravens fan were looking to run Flacco out of town!"[/font][/color]

[color=#222222][font=Arial','sans-serif]I'd love to hear you opinions on this... I personally think Joe is the best QB we've had in our franchise's short history and want nothing more than to keep him around for the long haul. To Wyche's point, I felt this way long before the early half of last year.[/font][/color][/size]
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I'm quoting the original poster because I know nobody else here cares what I have to say about Flacco.

So since you asked... I'll compare my views on Flacco and Ryan. Matt Ryan confuses me becaue he looked like Peyton Manning the last time he played the Ravens. He was checking the play at the line of scrimmage almost every single time, and each time it looked like he knew exactly what was coming. He went down the field, carving up the RAVENS defense. I mean, a defense I thought would really rattle the young guy.

But SINCE then, I haven't seen that from him at all. Against much worse defenses. Even with more experience and better receivers. I realy don't get it.

But, with Flacco... I have NEVER seen him look like he just owns an opposing defense. And what's funny is, he normally looks even WORSE against the bad defenses. When the Ravens blow-out an opponent, yes the offense usually scores some points... but it's more the case of the defense just completely shutting down the other team, forcing VERY short fields, and giving Flacco soooo many chances to finally put it in the end zone.

Maybe it all comes together this year, but my point is nothing the past 4 seasons has shown me that he's made many strides. It still seems like the same guy we saw his rookie season. Shoot, at leat back then he seemed to know when to step up and run.

What I really hope I see this preseason, and probably won't have a good chance to judge until the 3rd game.... is hitting receivers IN STRIDE. Not waiting until they are wide open, then lofting up a pass and making them wait on it. SEEING that a receiver WILL be open by the time the ball gets there. And not thinking just because a defender is close while the ball is still in Flacco's hand, that the receiver is covered.

But hey, I still need to see a whole lot more consistency from Ryan before I can state that he's any better or worse than Flacco.

Honestly, I'd rather take the younger Cam Newton over both of these guys right now. He had much higher expectations, went to a much worse team, had less talent offensively around him, and probably showed more poise through it all than Flacco or Ryan.

[PolishRifle]

purple_koolaid and BillicksEGO finally getting some recognition.

[Bltravens]

I'll take the career with similar career numbers....and NOT an 0-4 record in the playoffs.

[Gordo52]

Flacco > Ryan. Any day. Simple as that.

[Falcons2k]

If Matt was the Ravens QB you guys would have a superbowl or two.

Yes we have weapons but it doesnt matter when your O-line(minus 2010 when we beat you guys) and and terrible defense.

[baltravensrj55]

I was watching NFL AM this morning as well. Steve Wyche clearly hasn't done his homework, or anything near that sort on our Baltimore Ravens. Earlier this morning they were talking about WR's and how ours match up against Atlanta's wide recievers. Steve Wyche didn't even know Torrey Smiths name and had to ask for confirmation on the right name on the show.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Falcons2k' timestamp='1344537264' post='1113912']
If Matt was the Ravens QB you guys would have a superbowl or two.

Yes we have weapons but it doesnt matter when your O-line(minus 2010 when we beat you guys) and and terrible defense.
[/quote]no. No we would not. And only because matt Ryan cannot play in the weather conditions we play in at least 10 times a year. He is not a cold wet windy snowy qb. He's failed miserably many times. He wouldn't be half as good as he is now playing in the weather conditions we do on a weekly basis

[codizzle]

[quote name='Falcons2k' timestamp='1344537264' post='1113912']
If Matt was the Ravens QB you guys would have a superbowl or two.

Yes we have weapons but it doesnt matter when your O-line(minus 2010 when we beat you guys) and and terrible defense.
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Oh boy.. Great first post

[B33MORE]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1344536307' post='1113891']
I'm quoting the original poster because I know nobody else here cares what I have to say about Flacco.

So since you asked... I'll compare my views on Flacco and Ryan. Matt Ryan confuses me becaue he looked like Peyton Manning the last time he played the Ravens. He was checking the play at the line of scrimmage almost every single time, and each time it looked like he knew exactly what was coming. He went down the field, carving up the RAVENS defense. I mean, a defense I thought would really rattle the young guy.

But SINCE then, I haven't seen that from him at all. Against much worse defenses. Even with more experience and better receivers. I realy don't get it.

But, with Flacco... I have NEVER seen him look like he just owns an opposing defense. And what's funny is, he normally looks even WORSE against the bad defenses. When the Ravens blow-out an opponent, yes the offense usually scores some points... but it's more the case of the defense just completely shutting down the other team, forcing VERY short fields, and giving Flacco soooo many chances to finally put it in the end zone.

Maybe it all comes together this year, but my point is nothing the past 4 seasons has shown me that he's made many strides. It still seems like the same guy we saw his rookie season. Shoot, at leat back then he seemed to know when to step up and run.

What I really hope I see this preseason, and probably won't have a good chance to judge until the 3rd game.... is hitting receivers IN STRIDE. Not waiting until they are wide open, then lofting up a pass and making them wait on it. SEEING that a receiver WILL be open by the time the ball gets there. And not thinking just because a defender is close while the ball is still in Flacco's hand, that the receiver is covered.

But hey, I still need to see a whole lot more consistency from Ryan before I can state that he's any better or worse than Flacco.

Honestly, I'd rather take the younger Cam Newton over both of these guys right now. He had much higher expectations, went to a much worse team, had less talent offensively around him, and probably showed more poise through it all than Flacco or Ryan.
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Fair criticism of Joe I guess. I would also love to see Joe put a defense on its heels and think [b]this may be the year[/b]. As much as I do love me some Flacco, I would have to agree with the general observation impression that the charisma factor is nothing on the level of a Manning or Montana.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='Falcons2k' timestamp='1344537264' post='1113912']
If Matt was the Ravens QB you guys would have a superbowl or two.

Yes we have weapons but it doesnt matter when your O-line(minus 2010 when we beat you guys) and and terrible defense.
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If Ryan was the Ravens QB the pummeling he got against the Giants in the playoffs would've been like a gentle hug compared to the thrashing he'd get playing against the AFC North in the outdoors all year. Ryan doesn't have the arm strength, size, or mental toughness to play Ravens football. Trust me, he's much better off in his nice warm dome with his plethora of superstar receiving targets. Even with all that he's never won a meaningful game. And you think he would've done better in Flacco's situation? Please.

Does anyone else find it ironic that they want to blame the defense for Matt Ryan's failures? When the defense put up 100% of the points they scored against the Giants! Hilarious. As far as the O-Line goes, did you SEE the Raven's O-Line in the playoffs? They got manhandled and abused by the Texans and Patriots and Flacco still made all the plays that it would've taken to get to the Superbowl. Ryan would've folded in minutes under that kind of pressure.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Falcons2k' timestamp='1344537264' post='1113912']
If Matt was the Ravens QB you guys would have a superbowl or two.

Yes we have weapons but it doesnt matter when your O-line(minus 2010 when we beat you guys) and and terrible defense.
[/quote]

Hahahaha okay. Let's just pretend that NFC South defenses come even remotely close to AFC North defenses. Let's just forget that y'all play in a dome.

Matt Ryan has zero playoff wins. Tell me more about how he would have helped win us superbowls.

Shaking my head!!!

[atljbo]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1344537762' post='1113924']
If Ryan was the Ravens QB the pummeling he got against the Giants in the playoffs would've been like a gentle hug compared to the thrashing he'd get playing against the AFC North in the outdoors all year. [b]Ryan doesn't have the arm strength, size, or mental toughness to play Ravens football.[/b] Trust me, he's much better off in his nice warm dome with his plethora of superstar receiving targets. Even with all that he's never won a meaningful game. And you think he would've done better in Flacco's situation? Please.

Does anyone else find it ironic that they want to blame the defense for Matt Ryan's failures? When the defense put up 100% of the points they scored against the Giants! Hilarious. As far as the O-Line goes, did you SEE the Raven's O-Line in the playoffs? They got manhandled and abused by the Texans and Patriots and Flacco still made all the plays that it would've taken to get to the Superbowl. Ryan would've folded in minutes under that kind of pressure.
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Thats funny.. The guy played in BC..... You guys can only say this because he plays in the dome most of the time... It doesnt make it right... You guys cant be that blind to not think Matt Ryan would adjust his play if he played in an outdoor stadium.

Yea its ryan fault we couldnt get 2 4th and inches or a 3rd and inches on our side of the field.


No excuses for Ryan.. He has to play better but yooo.. That comment is just crazy... Ryan was hit 81 times last year.. 3rd most in the league... Threw for ober 4000 yards and 29 TD's but he is not "[b]mental tough enough[/b]" ...lol.. ok

I get if you would perfer Flacco over Ryan but i dont get when ppl make comments like that..... Thats crazy.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344538579' post='1113948']


Thats funny.. The guy played in BC..... You guys can only say this because he plays in the dome most of the time... It doesnt make it right... You guys cant be that blind to not think Matt Ryan would adjust his play if he played in an outdoor stadium.

Yea its ryan fault we couldnt get 2 4th and inches or a 3rd and inches on our side of the field.


No excuses for Ryan.. He has to play better but yooo.. That comment is just crazy... Ryan was hit 81 times last year.. 3rd most in the league... Threw for ober 4000 yards and 29 TD's but he is not "[b]mental tough enough[/b]" ...lol.. ok

I get if you would perfer Flacco over Ryan but i dont get when ppl make comments like that..... Thats crazy.
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Just fandom....just like your fellow fan above stating the Ravens would have won one or more SB's with Ryan at the helm.. Thats laughable!

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1344538579' post='1113948']
Thats funny.. The guy played in BC..... You guys can only say this because he plays in the dome most of the time... It doesnt make it right... You guys cant be that blind to not think Matt Ryan would adjust his play if he played in an outdoor stadium.

Yea its ryan fault we couldnt get 2 4th and inches or a 3rd and inches on our side of the field.


No excuses for Ryan.. He has to play better but yooo.. That comment is just crazy... Ryan was hit 81 times last year.. 3rd most in the league... Threw for ober 4000 yards and 29 TD's but he is not "[b]mental tough enough[/b]" ...lol.. ok

I get if you would perfer Flacco over Ryan but i dont get when ppl make comments like that..... Thats crazy.
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You can't "adjust" a lack of arm strength. I'm not saying Ryan isn't a good QB, because he certainly is. I commend him for what he's accomplished, but I take exception the idea that we would've won multiple Superbowls with Ryan instead of Flacco because it's a ludicrous suggestion. Ryan thrives in his situation, Flacco thrives in his. I'm not trying to bash your QB, but if people come in to a Ravens board and take shots at Flacco they can't expect to not receive some shots in return. And I'll stop questioning Ryan's toughness when he proves that he can win games in the postseason.

[Alexir]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1344519201' post='1113536']
Who cares?
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Exactly.

Run out of town? Not quite, just don't think he deserves to be talked up as a great QB yet. I know what is out there, he is better than at least half of the league. Just wish he would show some inconsistency with his mobility.