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[rmw10]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Yea I agree completely.  Also, I even forgot about Elsie...

It's basically taking liberties in the plot to (a) give you a better story elsewhere and (b) let these actors shine.  For the plot holes with Maeve, it really ended up not mattering to me because of how well those scenes were done.  They just can't let that fall off or those plot holes become more apparent.

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's basically taking liberties in the plot to (a) give you a better story elsewhere and (b) let these actors shine.  For the plot holes with Maeve, it really ended up not mattering to me because of how well those scenes were done.  They just can't let that fall off or those plot holes become more apparent.

Yea the whole time Maeve was getting more attributes I was just thinking how is that not known throughout the company.  What was your take on last nights twist, add the spoiler tag if needed, not gonna lie, I got pretty confused for a bit

[ludy51]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea the whole time Maeve was getting more attributes I was just thinking how is that not known throughout the company.  What was your take on last nights twist, add the spoiler tag if needed, not gonna lie, I got pretty confused for a bit

Was it the twist involving Jeffery Wright? 

[rmw10]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea the whole time Maeve was getting more attributes I was just thinking how is that not known throughout the company.  What was your take on last nights twist, add the spoiler tag if needed, not gonna lie, I got pretty confused for a bit

You could see it coming, but I don't think the twist is over.  I'll wait until the finale to make my call there.

[Cville-Raven]

Read an interview with Jonathan Nolan, showrunner of Westworld, and his influences for the show are quite interesting. lol GTA was one of them. On a side note I hope gets his brother to direct an episode or two before the series is all said and done.

[usmccharles]

17 hours ago, rmw10 said:

You could see it coming, but I don't think the twist is over.  I'll wait until the finale to make my call there.

Yea i definitely see something big happening

[Steve0x]

Mars on national geographic channel looks like a thriller. In some scenes it make you kind of nervous. Like the astronaut went down the hole on rope looking for ice. I don't know you get that kind of feeling or not. 

[rmw10]

Westworld dropped the mic tonight ???

[rmw10]

Alright, full Westworld thoughts now..

First off, they straight up killed that finale.  Unlike a lot of shows, a lot of what they had been building up to actually happened.

Some of it was a little predictable.  They were dropping hints that William and MiB were one in the same and that we were operating on 2 different timelines.  Although not as many, there were also some clues that Dolores was also Wyatt.  We knew that Ford was going to be forced out by Hale and the board.  These may have been some predictable storylines, but that doesn't mean they weren't good.

Now, what they did with Ford's narrative is one of the biggest surprises.  I did not expect the scene drop after the Dolores/Teddy moment, revealing that it was all part of Ford's narrative.  Based on the season, it seems all of the present timeline was part of his story, but it also makes you question just how much was real.  It seems like it could be none of it, but I like that type of cliffhanger moving forward.

The biggest surprise of all I'd say, in conjunction with Ford's narrative, is that Maeve's journey has been programmed.  She's not developing any human traits.  That was her story arc.  To this point, it seems the only host that has come to any self-realization is Dolores.  That was the biggest twist to me.  It opens up a world of possibilities in showing that it can be done.  However, by showing that Maeve isn't feeling "human" it allows this story to go in any number of ways.

My 3 favorite moments were Felix questioning whether or not he was real, Armistice going insane with her power, and MiB's reaction when he got shot and realized that it was real and not some pellet.

Overall, this was a very well done season.  They gave you some predictability as well as some twists to go along with it.  The cast absolutely killed the show, and I don't know if it would have been as good without the actors they chose.  Assuming Ford's death is real, I'm really going to miss him next season.  I felt he was the perfect person for the role, and the idea that we had to question whether he was good or bad all season was a very welcomed addition to a great show.

[usmccharles]

On ‎12‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 7:38 PM, rmw10 said:

Westworld dropped the mic tonight ???

Absolutely great finale, its up there on my lists of season finales.  This series made my top ten, maybe in my top 5, I might have to make a list after this. 

I never suspected Maeve's story line to be Ford's doing, brilliant, plays right into what we were expecting to just twist it on us. I loved this twist although am not happy at all to see her get off the train, I wanted to see her in the real world and see what she could do. 

To be honest I didn't get the whole Delores/Wyatt connection, care to dive into that a bit for me?  I was picking up on there being a difference in 'when' the characters are, as the hosts never age while characters do, I had a theory what Will was Ed Harris but it was just a hunch, also, Wills character worked for a company called Delos which is similar to Delores, obviously.  Now I don't know if that has anything to do with anything, I just thought that was odd. 

Armistice was an awesome character that I wanted to see more of.  She was brutal. Loved it.

Seeing Ed Harris get shot at the end and his excitement of it no longer being 'their world' was intense.  Its exactly what Ford was saying.

Hopkins straight killed this series and I cant think of many, if any other characters I would have liked to see.  The way he technically was evil, but then you kind of want him to succeed, or at least I did, was brilliant.

All in all, one of the best shows ive watched in awhile.  [spoiler/]

[rmw10]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Absolutely great finale, its up there on my lists of season finales.  This series made my top ten, maybe in my top 5, I might have to make a list after this. 

 

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I never suspected Maeve's story line to be Ford's doing, brilliant, plays right into what we were expecting to just twist it on us. I loved this twist although am not happy at all to see her get off the train, I wanted to see her in the real world and see what she could do. 

To be honest I didn't get the whole Delores/Wyatt connection, care to dive into that a bit for me?  I was picking up on there being a difference in 'when' the characters are, as the hosts never age while characters do, I had a theory what Will was Ed Harris but it was just a hunch, also, Wills character worked for a company called Delos which is similar to Delores, obviously.  Now I don't know if that has anything to do with anything, I just thought that was odd. 

Armistice was an awesome character that I wanted to see more of.  She was brutal. Loved it.

Seeing Ed Harris get shot at the end and his excitement of it no longer being 'their world' was intense.  Its exactly what Ford was saying.

Hopkins straight killed this series and I cant think of many, if any other characters I would have liked to see.  The way he technically was evil, but then you kind of want him to succeed, or at least I did, was brilliant.

All in all, one of the best shows ive watched in awhile.  [spoiler/]

To some extent, I agree about Maeve.  I wanted to see one of the hosts in the real world, and I think the journey getting there so we can get a feel for where Westworld even is would have been a great storyline.  On the other hand though, I like that she got off of the train because that was her first actual "human" action.  It had been drilled into us all along that she was acting on her own free will, only for the twist that it had all been programmed.  Her getting off the train was the first sign of her own consciousness.

The Dolores/Wyatt connection goes back to Arnold.  Ford had been teasing Wyatt as a major key for his narrative since early in the season, but the only "glimpse" we had gotten of him was in Teddy's flashback, which was the massacre.  Arnold had intended to develop Wyatt to wipe out all of the hosts to delay Westworld's opening, but instead, transferred those traits to Dolores and had her carry out the massacre.  Ford programmed Teddy to remember the massacre as part of his new narrative, but he was not programmed to remember who Wyatt was.

I really hope it's not the end for Hopkins, but I don't see how they could even bring him back.  Maybe some flashback/memory types of scenes?  Obviously they can't bring him back as a host as a ton of people witnessed his death.

[usmccharles]

11 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

 

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To some extent, I agree about Maeve.  I wanted to see one of the hosts in the real world, and I think the journey getting there so we can get a feel for where Westworld even is would have been a great storyline.  On the other hand though, I like that she got off of the train because that was her first actual "human" action.  It had been drilled into us all along that she was acting on her own free will, only for the twist that it had all been programmed.  Her getting off the train was the first sign of her own consciousness.

The Dolores/Wyatt connection goes back to Arnold.  Ford had been teasing Wyatt as a major key for his narrative since early in the season, but the only "glimpse" we had gotten of him was in Teddy's flashback, which was the massacre.  Arnold had intended to develop Wyatt to wipe out all of the hosts to delay Westworld's opening, but instead, transferred those traits to Dolores and had her carry out the massacre.  Ford programmed Teddy to remember the massacre as part of his new narrative, but he was not programmed to remember who Wyatt was.

I really hope it's not the end for Hopkins, but I don't see how they could even bring him back.  Maybe some flashback/memory types of scenes?  Obviously they can't bring him back as a host as a ton of people witnessed his death.

 

 

Great outlook. 

I agree that Maeve returning to Westworld was her own decision which in turn is showing the evolution to consciousness, but like you said, I was really looking forward to being able to put this world into context with the rest of the world.  I don't recall a certain time ever being mentioned and time isn't exactly straight-forward in the show.  Also, the guy who played Benard killed it, really enjoyed his development and glad he will be back.  I don't think there is anyway to bring Hopkins back outside of flashbacks like you said, its sad but really brings a GoT element in the sense of killing off a character of his caliber.  [spoiler/]

[rmw10]

28 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Great outlook. 

 

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I agree that Maeve returning to Westworld was her own decision which in turn is showing the evolution to consciousness, but like you said, I was really looking forward to being able to put this world into context with the rest of the world.  I don't recall a certain time ever being mentioned and time isn't exactly straight-forward in the show.  Also, the guy who played Benard killed it, really enjoyed his development and glad he will be back.  I don't think there is anyway to bring Hopkins back outside of flashbacks like you said, its sad but really brings a GoT element in the sense of killing off a character of his caliber.  [spoiler/]

Agreed.  Overall, one of my top shows.

I think my favorite part about the finale is that it opened it up to a world of possibilities on which direction it will go next.  You know the hosts are gaining consciousness of course, but they were able to adequately end a season by wrapping up the big elements, but leaving just enough untouched to where you don't know what is going to happen next.

Thandie Newton, Jeffrey Wright, and Anthony Hopkins all killed it and carried this show.  Hell, I've never liked James Marsden but I even thought he was cast well in this role.

[usmccharles]

53 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Agreed.  Overall, one of my top shows.

Have you watched Goliath yet? I am going to start it today.  Also, The Man in the High Castle comes back on, looking forward to that as well. Both on Amazon

Also, Billions comes back on Feb 19th. 

Walking Dead has done nothing for me. 

Homeland Jan 15th

I think that's all I can think of

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[52520Andrew]

I have nothing to add since I don't watch the show but I want to throw the spoiler tag in just because

[Steve0x]

I think Westworld is done the way the story ended. Don't expect to see season 2 of westworld. I cant wait til final season of House of Cards. Id like to see another western series. But not the sci fi type. I like to see a combination of Gunsmoke and Death Valley days.  

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[rmw10]

2 hours ago, Steve0x said:

I think Westworld is done the way the story ended. Don't expect to see season 2 of westworld. I cant wait til final season of House of Cards. Id like to see another western series. But not the sci fi type. I like to see a combination of Gunsmoke and Death Valley days.  

It's already been renewed for a 2nd season.

[rmw10]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Have you watched Goliath yet? I am going to start it today.  Also, The Man in the High Castle comes back on, looking forward to that as well. Both on Amazon

Also, Billions comes back on Feb 19th. 

Walking Dead has done nothing for me. 

Homeland Jan 15th

I think that's all I can think of

Haven't seen Goliath or Man in the High Castle yet.  Haven't really delved into Amazon's stuff.

Looking forward to Billions and Homeland, although the latter is going downhill.

TWD just isn't doing it for me either.  Felt like Sunday's episode was just an hour and half of trying to show us that Negan is bad and Carl is stupid like we didn't already know.

[ludy51]

On 12/5/2016 at 0:45 PM, rmw10 said:

Alright, full Westworld thoughts now..

 

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First off, they straight up killed that finale.  Unlike a lot of shows, a lot of what they had been building up to actually happened.

Some of it was a little predictable.  They were dropping hints that William and MiB were one in the same and that we were operating on 2 different timelines.  Although not as many, there were also some clues that Dolores was also Wyatt.  We knew that Ford was going to be forced out by Hale and the board.  These may have been some predictable storylines, but that doesn't mean they weren't good.

Now, what they did with Ford's narrative is one of the biggest surprises.  I did not expect the scene drop after the Dolores/Teddy moment, revealing that it was all part of Ford's narrative.  Based on the season, it seems all of the present timeline was part of his story, but it also makes you question just how much was real.  It seems like it could be none of it, but I like that type of cliffhanger moving forward.

The biggest surprise of all I'd say, in conjunction with Ford's narrative, is that Maeve's journey has been programmed.  She's not developing any human traits.  That was her story arc.  To this point, it seems the only host that has come to any self-realization is Dolores.  That was the biggest twist to me.  It opens up a world of possibilities in showing that it can be done.  However, by showing that Maeve isn't feeling "human" it allows this story to go in any number of ways.

My 3 favorite moments were Felix questioning whether or not he was real, Armistice going insane with her power, and MiB's reaction when he got shot and realized that it was real and not some pellet.

Overall, this was a very well done season.  They gave you some predictability as well as some twists to go along with it.  The cast absolutely killed the show, and I don't know if it would have been as good without the actors they chose.  Assuming Ford's death is real, I'm really going to miss him next season.  I felt he was the perfect person for the role, and the idea that we had to question whether he was good or bad all season was a very welcomed addition to a great show.

 

 

Im the opposite of you on the William/MiB twist and the Maeve narrative twist. 

I was completely blown away when that was revealed as I hadn't even expected that they were showing 2 different times. 

But I had suspected that narrative twist as the whole finale seemed to be focused on loops and repeated actions. 

Overall one hell of a finale. Leaves me even more excited for season 2.

[usmccharles]

2 episodes in on Goliath and im sold, actually i was sold after the first but damn episode 2 was great.  Billy Bob is great. 

[ludy51]

Another interesting thing nobody's touched on yet, is the idea of multiple parks in different time periods.

That scene when the escapees were running from the security, they were on a level with Samurai warriors, obviously not western themed. Even Felix said that this was "hard to explain"

The other piece of evidence was on the note with the location of maeves daughter. The note had one thing that stood out to me, "park 1". So either they had multiple westworlds, or they were expanding out to different time period simulations.

Not sure what they plan on doing with this, as the show is obviously called Westworld not Japanworld but they didn't just leave those in on accident.

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, ludy51 said:

 

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Another interesting thing nobody's touched on yet, is the idea of multiple parks in different time periods.

That scene when the escapees were running from the security, they were on a level with Samurai warriors, obviously not western themed. Even Felix said that this was "hard to explain"

The other piece of evidence was on the note with the location of maeves daughter. The note had one thing that stood out to me, "park 1". So either they had multiple westworlds, or they were expanding out to different time period simulations.

Not sure what they plan on doing with this, as the show is obviously called Westworld not Japanworld but they didn't just leave those in on accident.

I noticed that as well, I kind of touched on that in saying I wanted to see Maeve get to the real world because I wanted to see what time frame we are working with.  I was excited when I seen the samurais, maybe there is dinosaurs somewhere, a futuristic park, who knows  [spoiler/]

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

 

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I noticed that as well, I kind of touched on that in saying I wanted to see Maeve get to the real world because I wanted to see what time frame we are working with.  I was excited when I seen the samurais, maybe there is dinosaurs somewhere, a futuristic park, who knows  [spoiler/]

We just discovered Jurassic Park ya'll

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, rmw10 said:

We just discovered Jurassic Park ya'll

Hey! you never know!

[52520Andrew]

House of Cards doing some filming tomorrow in Patterson Park. Sounds like they have filmed there before as well

[rmw10]

The Walking Dead really needs to give something positive tonight, because there's been nothing positive since the premiere.

There are so many storylines and every single one of them has advanced so little or even not at all over the last 7 episodes.  They keep trying to give you full episodes and "character development" but none of them have worked.  No one cared about Tara and her story.  We've seen King Ezekiel once and they used a full episode on that.  We got a full episode of the Hilltop and nothing much came of that either.

It's weird to say, but the worst storyline by far this season has been what they're trying to do with Negan.  We get it.  He's a horrible guy.  Do we really need multiple episodes showing us the same thing over and over again?  As much as I liked Negan as a character in the premiere, they've done an awful job with him.  The writing and dialogue is downright painful at times.  I get that he's a peculiar guy, but no one talks like he does.  It may be something that works in the comics, but it certainly does not work on the screen.

And how many people are going to get a shot at Negan and pass it up?  All of this planning and there have been countless times to take him out and no one has done it.

[Steve0x]

On December 7, 2016 at 3:00 PM, rmw10 said:

We just discovered Jurassic Park ya'll

Really? did you go there?

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

Really? did you go there?

Yes.  I'm actually the real life Chris Pratt.

[rmw10]

I really question why I continue to watch this show sometimes.  7 episodes later and that's what we get?  Cool.  Negan killed some more people.  I'm so shocked.  It's quite crazy how little things have advanced since the premier.  It's not necessarily a bad episode, but we've gotten almost nowhere.

[Cville-Raven]

JDM as Negan is honestly the only reason I'm watching the show at this point. The end scene of that episode has to be the most cheezy feel good scene of the entire series. I was actually laughing when they all started walking in the same direction like they were the avengers.