Who Would You Rather Draft?

[Gordo52]

Both will put up monster numbers. Patriots just gave Gronk a huge deal and he has only played 2 seasons. I know he'll get 10+ TDs its a lock to me.

Graham will put up similiar numbers and if you can get him at better value then Gronk then go ahead. I still think Gronk will do better, he's the Calvin johnson of TEs.

[gabefergy]

Graham. There is no way Gronk can repeat last years performance, especially with the addition of Brandon Lloyd. Graham is Brees' #1 target and that is not changing.

[usmccharles]

Aaron hernandez was still ranked number 3 fantasy te last year, i think based on value id rather not take graham or gronk, but it also depends what pick you have and who is available at the time...

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344319629' post='1111589']
Green is better.
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I think Julio has a much higher ceiling; the dude is just a freak athlete. Green as of right now is better, but I could definitely see that changing.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1344301605' post='1111444']
Foster- its obvious about him, i just wanted to say i drafted him in the 4th in his break out year, i had a feeling it and i like to brag about it
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I got Foster in the last round in my league when he had his breakout year. I agree with the bragging part 100%.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1344371586' post='1111937']
I got Foster in the last round in my league when he had his breakout year. I agree with the bragging part 100%.
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haha i was raving about him like crazy, most people in the draft were laughing at me taking him in the 4th, they didnt even know who he was....

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1344370666' post='1111921']
I think Julio has a much higher ceiling; the dude is just a freak athlete. Green as of right now is better, but I could definitely see that changing.
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I dont see it. Julio is a freak athlete, but Green is the whole package. He isnt a slouch either when it comes to athleticism. It's possible that Julio could develop into a better WR than Green but not many have the talent Green possesses. If AJ Green was on a better offense it wouldnt even be close IMO.

[Alexir]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344282159' post='1111243']
RB who do you take: Doug Martin or Reggie Bush?
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In all of the mocks that I have done, I have taken Martin. I don't trust Bush.

[ravefan52]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1344396599' post='1112146']
In all of the mocks that I have done, I have taken Martin. I don't trust Bush.
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With Bush I'd be too worried about Thomas and Slaton. Dolphins also have no passing game so it will be hard to run it. The Bucs have said the problem with their offense is they have no explosion and that is exactly what Martin is. As the season goes on they won't be able to resist not putting Martin in, but Blount will get some carries. Definitely Martin!

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1344396599' post='1112146']
In all of the mocks that I have done, I have taken Martin. I don't trust Bush.
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I would tend to agree, but Bush was really good last year (better than most people realize almost 1400 total yards) and I think he will have an even bigger role in the passing game this year. I like Martin a lot, but rookie RBs just dont do well generally speaking. To me they are pretty close.

[Alexir]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344398310' post='1112162']
I would tend to agree, but Bush was really good last year (better than most people realize almost 1400 total yards) and I think he will have an even bigger role in the passing game this year. I like Martin a lot, but rookie RBs just dont do well generally speaking. To me they are pretty close.
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From where I have been drafting Martin, it's usually a round after Bush. I see a lot of value in that, I just feel Thomas will poach a lot of Bush's carries HOWEVER, with a rookie QB probably starting halfway through the season, Bush would get a ton of receptions.

Ah fantasy football is back, how I missed thee!

Now I have to figure out my keeper situation : Charles or McFadden lol

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1344398591' post='1112169']
From where I have been drafting Martin, it's usually a round after Bush. I see a lot of value in that, I just feel Thomas will poach a lot of Bush's carries HOWEVER, with a rookie QB probably starting halfway through the season, Bush would get a ton of receptions.

Ah fantasy football is back, how I missed thee!

Now I have to figure out my keeper situation : Charles or McFadden lol

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LOL what a terrible decision. You have no better options? I think Charles is more likely to stay "healthy", but I want to see him in the preseason to see if he still has the same explosiveness. He has had almost a full year to rehab so I tend to like him more more than most. He wont have a huge workload, but I am worried about him still.

[Alexir]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344398848' post='1112174']
LOL what a terrible decision. You have no better options? I think Charles is more likely to stay "healthy", but I want to see him in the preseason to see if he still has the same explosiveness. He has had almost a full year to rehab so I tend to like him more more than most. He wont have a huge workload, but I am worried about him still.
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Nope. Those are my 2 best keepers (hency why I am picking 2nd this year). I ll keep an eye on both during pre season but I am leaning towards DMC just because the way he started. Maybe I can trade him for a rb and wr by week 5.

[ravefan52]

Greg Jennings or Hakeem Nicks? Both had similar numbers last year and both have elite quarterbacks throwing to them. I would usually choose Nicks, but I don't know with his foot. What do you think?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ravefan52' timestamp='1344400563' post='1112195']
Greg Jennings or Hakeem Nicks? Both had similar numbers last year and both have elite quarterbacks throwing to them. I would usually choose Nicks, but I don't know with his foot. What do you think?
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I like Jennings, but honestly it's hard to distinguish between the top 3-15 WRs IMO. I trust Rodgers more than Eli and I think Jennings will have more consistent numbers.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344401004' post='1112203']
I like Jennings, but honestly it's hard to distinguish between the top 3-15 WRs IMO. I trust Rodgers more than Eli and I think Jennings will have more consistent numbers.
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This + Jennings doesnt get the entire afc north

[usmccharles]

[quote name='ravefan52' timestamp='1344400563' post='1112195']
Greg Jennings or Hakeem Nicks? Both had similar numbers last year and both have elite quarterbacks throwing to them. I would usually choose Nicks, but I don't know with his foot. What do you think?
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Im not too familar with his foot issues, but id go with nicks, i dont think cruz repeats that type of season. Packers have so many weapons and their wr cobb is gonna make a difference this year i think, ill try to get him in a late round

[PuRock]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1344398591' post='1112169']

Now I have to figure out my keeper situation : Charles or McFadden lol

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I'm going McFadden. WHEN he does play, he'll win you your weeks. Charles still has some question marks coming into the season. The normal '100%' recovery time for his injury is like 2 years. So he still might not be his normal self. Plus KC is going with the 'Hot Hand' approach as they stated. This isn't even a RBBC. If Hillis gets on fire he could see a workload.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1344372638' post='1111954']
haha i was raving about him like crazy, most people in the draft were laughing at me taking him in the 4th, they didnt even know who he was....
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Yeah, that and getting Jimmy Graham late last year are my best two draft picks ever.

[Gordo52]

DMC without a doubt. The reward out weighs the risk.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1344434117' post='1112302']
I'm going McFadden. WHEN he does play, he'll win you your weeks. Charles still has some question marks coming into the season. The normal '100%' recovery time for his injury is like 2 years. So he still might not be his normal self. Plus KC is going with the 'Hot Hand' approach as they stated. This isn't even a RBBC. If Hillis gets on fire he could see a workload.
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I disagree completely here.

Let me start by saying this. Mcfadden will kill your season. It really is a matter of when. This year Mcfadden is even riskier than usual because theres no proven backup for him. In years past his risk was mitigated by Michael Bush being a solid hand cuff. That being said late in the draft when all the decent options are gone, you will have to take a risk on Mcfadden in order to make your team more competitive.

As for the hot hand approach. KC already stated they want to run the ball 500 or so times and to split those carries between the 2. 250 each is a great workload for both of them. Charles also has never been a guy thats needed 20 carries a game to be effective. As for the acl injury, if there is any guy who can get past it, its Charles. Charles had a year to rehab his leg.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344444963' post='1112423']
I disagree completely here.

Let me start by saying this. Mcfadden will kill your season. It really is a matter of when. This year Mcfadden is even riskier than usual because theres no proven backup for him. In years past his risk was mitigated by Michael Bush being a solid hand cuff. That being said late in the draft when all the decent options are gone, you will have to take a risk on Mcfadden in order to make your team more competitive.

As for the hot hand approach. KC already stated they want to run the ball 500 or so times and to split those carries between the 2. 250 each is a great workload for both of them. Charles also has never been a guy thats needed 20 carries a game to be effective. As for the acl injury, if there is any guy who can get past it, its Charles. Charles had a year to rehab his leg.
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I don't think there are many players this year we agree upon. Honestly, I really don't want either of these guys on my team for the value you have to pay for them. And both are risks in my eyes.

I think the absence of Micheal Bush is a plus. Last year you would have to reach and invest a high pick on a 'handcuff', this year you can wait and pick up some other serviceable RB instead. Then you can pick up Goodson late. A clear cut backup will emerge sooner than later. And if that guy is Taiwan Jones (he'll be on the waiver). But everytime Goodson is put on the field, he delivers.

As for KC, their division is no longer a cakewalk that they can try and run their way through. I completely agree that Charles doesn't need a lot of carries to make his mark. And I am very impressed on how you know that Charles can get past his ACL in just one year (ofcourse out of all the ACL injuries he has had the most time). But for a guy that thrives on cutting and getting down field its a lot tougher than it seems. I have no worries about his top speed being fine. But its the ability to plant and drive and the confidence that comes with it. On top of that Peyton Hillis isn't Thomas Jones. Peyton can catch out of the backfield as well.

Now if Charles comes out in preseason and I see the ability to plant and cut effectively is there, he might surpass McFadden for me (which isn't a hard thing to do). But until then, he's still only 1 year removed from an ACL injury.

[usmccharles]

DMC is way too risky, ive stated this before, no way im investing a top pick in a guy who has NEVER completed a full season. He may be able to do it, but why risk it, if you miss with your first two picks thats trouble. Im not a fan of of rbs that you need to handcuff, goodson isnt great but hes not bad, but your then taking two roster spots for one player. I do think the raiders offense will be pretty explosive this year, if DMC could fall to the third i would be ok with that but thats not gonna happen.

Charles is interesting, he got hurt week two and had a long time to recover, although he may not be a 100% but he will be able to move...quickly still. Charles doesnt need 20+ carries a game, just one run and he gets you your points. I expect charles and hillis to split pretty evenly at first to keep charles' work load light until they feel comfortable with him, or maybe they will just continue to split which is a good idea.

I really like hillis this year, im going to try to get him with my 5th round pick. I think the upside too great to ignore. they will be splitting carries and hillis will see most likely around 10+ a game and with his ability he should be an easy RB3. BUT, say something happens to charles, well then you have a legit workhorse with no other back up around, so even if i had the chance to get charles im going to pass on him and just take hillis becuase he has wayyyyy better value, IMO of course

[PuRock]

One of the greatest things about KC's running backs is that last stretch of the season. They do have to face Pittsburgh, Ravens and some high powered offenses (that they'll need to keep up with) early on. But:

Week 13 Car @ KC
Week 14 KC @ Cle
Week 15 KC @ Oak
Week 16 Ind @ KC

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1344470922' post='1113272']
I don't think there are many players this year we agree upon. Honestly, I really don't want either of these guys on my team for the value you have to pay for them. And both are risks in my eyes.

I think the absence of Micheal Bush is a plus. Last year you would have to reach and invest a high pick on a 'handcuff', this year you can wait and pick up some other serviceable RB instead. Then you can pick up Goodson late. A clear cut backup will emerge sooner than later. And if that guy is Taiwan Jones (he'll be on the waiver). But everytime Goodson is put on the field, he delivers.

As for KC, their division is no longer a cakewalk that they can try and run their way through. I completely agree that Charles doesn't need a lot of carries to make his mark. And I am very impressed on how you know that Charles can get past his ACL in just one year (ofcourse out of all the ACL injuries he has had the most time). But for a guy that thrives on cutting and getting down field its a lot tougher than it seems. I have no worries about his top speed being fine. But its the ability to plant and drive and the confidence that comes with it. On top of that Peyton Hillis isn't Thomas Jones. Peyton can catch out of the backfield as well.

Now if Charles comes out in preseason and I see the ability to plant and cut effectively is there, he might surpass McFadden for me (which isn't a hard thing to do). But until then, he's still only 1 year removed from an ACL injury.
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1 year removed from acl injury is enough time to recover from it. Family of doctors is what I attribute my knowledge too as well as personally dealing with that injury (was a sprinter in college so speed was kind of a big deal). On top of that Charles workload will remain light ( 10 - 15 a game) while Hillis will do most of the ground work early and as Charles shows he is more comfortable the workloads will vary inversely (charles will increase while hillis decreases). This isnt a knock on Hillis but to say that Charles isnt the guy is ludicrous.

As for no handcuff to DMC. Heres the pros and cons

Pros
No more td vultures
no shared carries

Cons
No reliable backup - Bush would still give you high quality numbers in DMC's absence. Not sure if you can say the same about Goodson.
If Dmc goes down you're done

Fact: The most games DMC has ever played is 13. Less than 8 is prolly a more likely projection

DMC has always been high risk and high reward, but like most of those gambles. The risk ends up coming to fruition and the owner is often screwed.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Is it bad that I am to competitive to post my opinion because I am in leagues with many of you?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344476296' post='1113338']
1 year removed from acl injury is enough time to recover from it. Family of doctors is what I attribute my knowledge too as well as personally dealing with that injury (was a sprinter in college so speed was kind of a big deal). On top of that Charles workload will remain light ( 10 - 15 a game) while Hillis will do most of the ground work early and as Charles shows he is more comfortable the workloads will vary inversely (charles will increase while hillis decreases). This isnt a knock on Hillis but to say that Charles isnt the guy is ludicrous.
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One year is enough, I agree. But personally I am on a wait and see approach with Charles. Like I said, speed isn't an issue. It's the ability to plant and cut and the confidence behind it. He is one of the people I will be watching in this weeks preseason games. If I'm drafting next week, I might be behind you with this choice.

And I agree with everything you said about McFadden and the backup. If he gets injured (especially during playoffs) your team is hurting if you drafted him. He is the biggest boom or bust player in fantasy IMO. Usually I take consistency, but McFadden is one guy I might gamble on for the Boom. But like I said earlier. His current value is not worth the risk.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1344476992' post='1113344']
Is it bad that I am to competitive to post my opinion because I am in leagues with many of you?
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You should join the fun. As you can see everybody has their opinions on players and strategies and nothing you can say will really change them. If anything you'd be better educating the players for a tougher competitive league. Which in my opinion is the best. Nothing gets your blood boiling like a competitive league.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1344479090' post='1113373']
One year is enough, I agree. But personally I am on a wait and see approach with Charles. Like I said, speed isn't an issue. It's the ability to plant and cut and the confidence behind it. He is one of the people I will be watching in this weeks preseason games. If I'm drafting next week, I might be behind you with this choice.

And I agree with everything you said about McFadden and the backup. If he gets injured (especially during playoffs) your team is hurting if you drafted him. He is the biggest boom or bust player in fantasy IMO. Usually I take consistency, but McFadden is one guy I might gamble on for the Boom. But like I said earlier. His current value is not worth the risk.
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He is not really boom or bust. Desean or Vincent Jackson are boom or bust. 0 o 40 pts a week. Mcfadden will never fail you in points but he will get hurt.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1344476992' post='1113344']
Is it bad that I am to competitive to post my opinion because I am in leagues with many of you?
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hiding a strategy doesnt matter. Its like boxing. Everyone has a plan until they get hit. You have some ideas when drafting but ultimately you're doing it on the fly.