Who Would You Rather Draft?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1344203012' post='1110659']
I'd lean to Wayne.

Griffin's going to rack up more rushing attempts than Luck (I'd assume, anyway) and Garcon has more competition for targets/touches - Moss, Cooley, Morgan and Davis will command receptions and the combo of Hightower/Helu/Royster is going to eat up a lot of offense.

Since there's a lack of Runningbacks going around this year which 'Bama back do you go to in a TD only league: Ingram or Richardson?
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I too like Wayne ever so slightly. But the Redskins will put Garcon in a spot to succeed. They are going to line him up as a X receiver in a bootleg heavy offense which should allow him to get open a ton down the field. RGIII's passing game is more of a vertical threat which will again help Garcon. Redzone is a whole different matter.

TD only league. Richardson. Saints were using Ingram on the goal line and he struggled at times to punch it in. I know because I felt the pain of starting him. Most of the time their go to play was the Graham one-on-one. Saints will be at the goalline more than the Browns. But I still like the better opportunity of Richardson.

[Alexir]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1344201796' post='1110641']
New one. Former teammates both with rookie QBs.

Reggie Wayne or Pierre Garcon
And why?
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Garcon. Wayne is already having trouble with separation but if he gets double teamed as the number 1 guy, I just don't see him busting out long gains. He has slowed down. PPR league? I'd consider it but I like Garcon.

[Gordo52]

Wayne.
I believe he'll be Lucks 2nd option behind Fleener. Manning made Garcon look alot nicer then he really is. He made Wayne look nicer too, but he's still a really good WR. I think Wayne will finish top 15 this year. Kind of a bold prediction, but I also believe that Luck will thrive with good WR's. (Not like he had in Stanford).

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344204760' post='1110679']
Well that tidbit about Julio not being the red zone guy I think will need some revising because all the reports out of camps have been that they will feature Julio. Even White believes he is going to lose receptions/targets to Julio. Not knocking Green, but more his team. The Bengals dont have any other weapons than him and they play in an afc north that is very capable of honing in on this. Yes he did it before, but now there no surprise factor and they a year of tape to study. Meanwhile in the nfc south, defense doesnt exist and the falcons love to run up the score

I consider both of these two receivers elite
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I dont consider Julio Jones elite yet. I think AJ Green is a better talent who will be talked about in the Moss/Megatron/Fitz best WR alive mold. Jones is an incredible athlete, but I am not sure he possesses the skill that Green does when it comes to route-running, tracking the ball, and hands.

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RB who do you take: Doug Martin or Reggie Bush?

[PuRock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344282159' post='1111243']
RB who do you take: Doug Martin or Reggie Bush?
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I debated this a few weeks ago. But now I'm on the Doug Martin train. A lot of things are working in his favor. His coach, Schiano is from the school of workhorse backs. Martin was drafted by this staff and he is the better pass blocker and catcher than Blount. Plus Blount has issues with ball security. On top of that you have V Jax and M Williams stretching the field.

Bush is injury-prone. He's got a lot of backs he's competing with. The offense he is in, isn't going to help him out.

I'm all on the Doug Martin train.

[Ed_Reed20]

I'd take Martin over Bush as well for all the reasons Pu mentioned.

[Cville-Raven]

Brown
Murray
Rogers(hes going to replace Michael turner)

[Cville-Raven]

Matt Ryan has a pretty weak arm and cant throw a deep ball consistently to save his life, so I don't see Julio completely dominating defenses deep like a Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344282115' post='1111241']
I dont consider Julio Jones elite yet. I think AJ Green is a better talent who will be talked about in the Moss/Megatron/Fitz best WR alive mold. Jones is an incredible athlete, but I am not sure he possesses the skill that Green does when it comes to route-running, tracking the ball, and hands.
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well Julio did post 8tds 950+ yards as the teams number 2 option while missing 3 games with a hamstring injury. I mean if he kept pace he would have had a better season than Green as the team's number 2 option.

[usmccharles]

Some interesting takes on players here, this year will be interesting for sure, ill throw out some opinions i have on players discussed. (im bored at work). Im in a 2 player keeper league, i have foster and rice, i know...i worked some magic for foster at the end of the season. I understand that the rb group is very thin after you past the top 5, but my advice is dont reach too much for an rb, if you have a late round pick, hell take megatron in the first because you know what your getting. in no way to i think im a genius or an expert, i just love fantasy football and like giving my opinion

Antonio Brown or Eric Decker- Brown for sure, hes more consistant than wallace and is the number guy, wallace is just a go route or slant guy. Im aiming for him in my draft around the 5-6 range

Stephen Jackson or DeMarco Murray- Tough one. Im not sold on murray at all, if you take away his massive 250 yard game his stats are pretty average, 7 games started with 2 TDs is not impressive, although he has a higher ceiling, he also got hurt as well. I think jackson has a great year with jeff fisher there. Also, isiah pead is a good handcuff for jackson

Bernard Scott or Jacquizz Rodgers- Id stay away from both just because i dont see anything special or enough of a work load, i guess for a rb3 in a 12 team id go with rodgers...if i had to.

aj green or jones- green is a clear wr1, but im taking jones for the mere fact he plays next to roddy white. green is more athletic, but jones does have that big play potential

vernon davis or jason witten- tough call and to me its all about value, it depends when you get each player. If your not getting gronk or graham i think there is so many TEs out there that have a big potential. Im honestly aiming for hernandez this year. Gronks big plays came from vertical routes, well thats why they brought in lloyd so those targets will come down, im gonna laugh so hard when someone takes him in the 2nd round.

Tuner or Gore in keeper league- What draft pick do you have, i dont want any part of either. I turner last year and killed me week 12-16 then of course week 17 blows up, i think falcons go pass happy this year and lower turners work load. Gore, hes just declining, injurys and the backfield there is stacked. run away.

Mcfadden- He has potential to blow up the fantasy world and be the number one fantasy guy, but im not touching a guy that hasnt played more than 13 games in a season, hes missed 30% of his career. Yea he may be great for the first 13 weeks, but if hes not there week 14 good luck. goodson is a late handcuff for sure, bc theres no one else

Darren Sproles- hes a rb3 to me, depending on if its a ppr. I dont think he has close to last years season, but people are going to reach for him

Jamaal Charles- Im in a dilema right now because someone is trying to give me charles and a 4th rounder for foster in my keeper league, i also have rice. I want to stay away from him mainly because of hillis, i think hillis is a good rb3 and im aiming for him. charles is too risky for my liking to be drafted where you have to get him. But the good thing about him is, he doesnt need 20+ carries a game bc his points are off of the big plays, so it only takes one play for him to get his points

Trent Richardson- he will have a big workload in a horrible offense, but hes a rookie, at best a rb2 to me and thats pushing, i cant believe people are ranking him around 6th best rb, he also plays us and pitt 4 times, plus i dont trust rookies

wayne or garcon- im taking garcon, i just am going with my guy here, i have a good feeling about him this year

martin or bush- tough call, ill take martin for mere fact that the buccs do not like blount...hes as good as a solar powered fash light, martin will get the work early and be the number one guy, later round with rb1 potential

Foster- its obvious about him, i just wanted to say i drafted him in the 4th in his break out year, i had a feeling it and i like to brag about it

Bills Defense- sleeper pick here, right now there rank is outside of the top ten so in a top ten league you should be able to grab them late, people draft defenses way too early, ill grab them in the 11th most likely

Danny Amendola wr rams- sleeper pick, i liked him last year but the rams were...well crappy. im aiming for him late

Terrel Owens- just signed with seahawks. hes always kept in outstanding physical shape and he will produce flex numbers or possible wr2 numbers

steven ridley- clear number one guy in NE i thing, great potential and value for a rb3 late

jacob tamme- already familar with peyton, and its peyton, even if he cant throw a deep ball, the dink and dunk passes will be there

jared cook titans te- dude is athletically freakish and posted good numbers last year, i think locker will be the started and their offense will be explosive

Adrian peterson- he got hurt in December, same injury as charles, I think, and im hesistan on charles. if you draft AP you need to handcuff him with gerhart who is average at best. So thats two roster spots for high risk high reward, let someone else take that risk

lloyd- He likes josh mcdaniels and was a number one fantasy wr with kyle orton...he has tom brady now. Just dont over reach, 4th sounds good to me

hillis- i really like hillis this year and i have a good feeling. I think the chiefs want to keep charles fresh and are gonna give him low carries, hillis has great power and i think he sees about 10 carries a game, i want him as my rb3 this year bc ill draft him late. he also has good recieving ability, and if charles goes down, you have a clear rb2 work horse.

ill stop.....

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344294196' post='1111370']


well Julio did post 8tds 950+ yards as the teams number 2 option while missing 3 games with a hamstring injury. I mean if he kept pace he would have had a better season than Green as the team's number 2 option.
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Green missed time as well with a shoulder injury. To me watching them play its clear that Green is better, but i agree that Jones has it easier playing in a dome and in a weaker division ( at least defensively). You seem to think having White opposite of Jones is an advantage, but White leads the league in targets too so it works both ways.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344311595' post='1111547']
Green missed time as well with a shoulder injury. To me watching them play its clear that Green is better, but i agree that Jones has it easier playing in a dome and in a weaker division ( at least defensively). You seem to think having White opposite of Jones is an advantage, but White leads the league in targets too so it works both ways.
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Actually it was a knee I believe and I think the only game he missed was against us.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344282115' post='1111241']
I dont consider Julio Jones elite yet. I think AJ Green is a better talent who will be talked about in the Moss/Megatron/Fitz best WR alive mold. Jones is an incredible athlete, but I am not sure he possesses the skill that Green does when it comes to route-running, [b]tracking the ball, and hands.[/b]
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[Gordo52]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1344292219' post='1111359']
Brown
Murray
Rogers(hes going to replace Michael turner)
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He's not replacing Turner this year. He will get more carries then ever before but nothing signifigant.
I'm kind of tired but I can't think of who Brown is. I would take Murray over them all just because of all the weapons that surround him, and how nice he looked last year.

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344282159' post='1111243']
RB who do you take: Doug Martin or Reggie Bush?
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I'm on the Martin train as well. I think he could even have a better fantasy season then Richardson. I look at Martin like I look at Darren Sproles. I think he'll have a ton of catches. He won't be the goaline back but neither will Bush I think. The Dolphins have a crowded backfield, and harder schedule then they did last season. I do think that Bush will still be top 15-20.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1344301605' post='1111444']
Turner or Gore in keeper league- What draft pick do you have, i dont want any part of either. I turner last year and killed me week 12-16 then of course week 17 blows up, i think falcons go pass happy this year and lower turners work load. Gore, hes just declining, injurys and the backfield there is stacked. run away.
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Yeah I was stupid and traded my first round pick for Gore when he was going off. I pick 10th overall in a 7 team league. I did'nt think the 49ers would add so many RB's. Just stupid and unlucky on my part. I can only keep 4 and the time I pick I need a QB more then a RB. (I play in a QB league). I have to keep Turner because there will be no better option when I pick 19th. My keepers are Rodgers,Turner,Gronkowski and Jennings so my team would suffer much. I'm hoping to get a late round steal at RB.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1344318956' post='1111585']
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Green is better.

[Gordo52]

Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson?

I gotta go with Fitz. The last 2-3 years Johnson has been unreliable to me. He has never had 10 TDs in a season, and he can't stay healthy. I used to love him in fantasy but now I feel he's overrated.

Fitzgerald might not have a good QB throwing to him but he finally has someone who can take away attention from him in Floyd. Fitzgerald is one of those players that you know will finish top 5. I can't say the same about Andre unless he could play the full 16.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344319629' post='1111589']
Green is better.
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I think it's really close. I'd give the slight edge to Jones.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344318574' post='1111582']
Actually it was a knee I believe and I think the only game he missed was against us.
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You are right he missed a game because of the knee, but he sprained his shoulder later in the season (Rams) and was pretty ineffective after it happened in that game and in the next two against Arizona and against the Ravens.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1344319745' post='1111590']
Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson?

I gotta go with Fitz. The last 2-3 years Johnson has been unreliable to me. He has never had 10 TDs in a season, and he can't stay healthy. I used to love him in fantasy but now I feel he's overrated.

Fitzgerald might not have a good QB throwing to him but he finally has someone who can take away attention from him in Floyd. Fitzgerald is one of those players that you know will finish top 5. I can't say the same about Andre unless he could play the full 16.
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Definitely Fitz. Johnson is too much of an injury risk at this point I wont draft him until the 3rd round. Fitz put up huge numbers with terrible QB play. I think he can do it again.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1344319799' post='1111592']
I think it's really close. I'd give the slight edge to Jones.
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Not many people are going to agree with you. Maybe from a fantasy perspective, but from a talent perspective Green has more going for him.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344320432' post='1111595']
Not many people are going to agree with you. Maybe from a fantasy perspective, but from a talent perspective Green has more going for him.
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I agree that Green is a better real life reciever, but I think Jones is better fantasy wise.

Jones big threat potential does it for me, I'm also hearing great things about his camp so far. If he stays healthy I think he could even crack the top 5-7.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1344320738' post='1111596']
I agree that Green is a better real life reciever, but I think Jones is better fantasy wise.

Jones big threat potential does it for me, I'm also hearing great things about his camp so far. If he stays healthy I think he could even crack the top 5-7.
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My problem with Jones is I think he will have some monster games, but I also think there will be games where he doesnt produce. Green is a more consistent scoring threat IMO. I like consistency in fantasy...part of the reason I like the idea of taking elite QBs over elite RBs in the first. QBs score more consistently week to week.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344320945' post='1111597']
My problem with Jones is I think he will have some monster games, but I also think there will be games where he doesnt produce. Green is a more consistent scoring threat IMO. I like consistency in fantasy...part of the reason I like the idea of taking elite QBs over elite RBs in the first. QBs score more consistently week to week.
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Good point, and yeah me too. But we'll see pretty soon. I think of Jones value as a mix between DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1344319745' post='1111590']
Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson?

I gotta go with Fitz. The last 2-3 years Johnson has been unreliable to me. He has never had 10 TDs in a season, and he can't stay healthy. I used to love him in fantasy but now I feel he's overrated.

Fitzgerald might not have a good QB throwing to him but he finally has someone who can take away attention from him in Floyd. Fitzgerald is one of those players that you know will finish top 5. I can't say the same about Andre unless he could play the full 16.
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This is another popular discussion. But I can't do it. I gotta stick with my boy Andre Johnson. He's my favorite non-Raven in the league. It's a tough one. But I am discounting the injuries and assuming that if he plays, he'll be one of the best WRs in the league. He still has the talent as apparent in the playoffs last year but he just needs to stay on the field.

I've never really been high on Fitzy since Warner left. That offense hasn't really grown at all. Larry will go weeks where he will catch 3 passes for 60 sixty yards and call it a day.

Both with struggle with TDs. AJ will never get double digit TDs. But I know if AJ is on the field, he'll get his catches and will post solid numbers week in and week out.

[PuRock]

I'm surprised we haven't talked about this one yet.


Gronkowski or Graham?

[Ed_Reed20]

Graham. You can get him a round later and he may very well outproduce Gronkowski this year in the TD department.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1344348766' post='1111664']
Graham. You can get him a round later and he may very outproduce Gronkowski this year in the TD department.
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I'll take Graham over Gronk everytime. Graham will have another monster year and should only get better. I think he'll be used even more without Payton.

The Patriots on the other hand have a history of transferring production year-to-year. So at the end of the season it wouldn't surprise me if Lloyd has a monster year at the expense of Gronk or if Hernadez was the TE to own.

Now I doubt that happens and I still have Gronk rated highly, but I can't see any scenario where Graham doesn't post monster numbers.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1344347928' post='1111656']
I'm surprised we haven't talked about this one yet.


Gronkowski or Graham?
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I had both last year (Graham in the 10th round and Gronk retained for a 20th rounder) and I'd lean towards Gronkowski. I just think he's the better player. He may lose a few targets, but I think he'll still put up big numbers.