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[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1347766505' post='1151442']
i'm a huge usc fan but he's definitely over rated. this game is not all his fault though. the usc line tonight against stanford was probably one of the worst performances i have ever seen. Future draft picks Skov, Thomas, and Gardner made them look silly all night (one of them even did their polamalu impression jumping over the line several times). i'm loving skov/thomas on the ravens next year maybe? the draft stock for those 2 probably skyrocketed this game.

by the way, this whole QB class sucks as a whole. i am more appreciative of joe flacco now that i see the talent of the qb's these days. i can't see a qb from the 2013 draft class to have success in the nfl. none of them stand out. barkley has WR's, geno has wr's and a spread offense, jones is just ok, wilson needs more time to be evaluated, bray looks like a bust... it just doesn't look very bright for this qb class. in the end, i say Aaron Murray has the best chance to be great. thank god we aern't in need of a QB.
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I don't like Barkley much myself and personally think Landry Jones and Aaron Murray will be the best quarterbacks from the 2013 Class, unless of course Geno Smith comes out for the draft and then those three will be the best ones.
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At the rate the season is going, it will be the Chiefs and Raiders, both whom need a face for their franchise (who will also be their signal-caller for the foreseeable future), that will be "battling" for the Matt Barkley sweepstakes. I can't see a team like the Jags or Vikings pulling-the-trigger, this early, on Blaine Gabbert/Christian Ponder...
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Really? Who you think could be the top QB next year? I personally think that a QB may not go # 1 Overall when it's all set and done. I think Star Lotulelei could very well fight to be the # 1 pick like Suh did in 2010. Unless of course another team decides to go for a QB like the Rams passed on Suh for and some team passes up on Lotulelei.
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Barkley might still be the #1 QB but he wont go first overall. Lotulelei is really good, but i think Mingo might be #1 overall. Personally, i think Tyler Wilson is much better than Barkley but he needs to get back on the field. It doesnt help that his team has completely imploded around him though.
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1347840029' post='1154949']
At the rate the season is going, it will be the Chiefs and Raiders, both whom need a face for their franchise (who will also be their signal-caller for the foreseeable future), that will be "battling" for the Matt Barkley sweepstakes. I can't a team like the Jags or Vikings pulling-the-trigger, this early, on Blaine Gabbert/Christian Ponder...
[/quote]I find it a bit ironic that the Chiefs and Raiders have a combined 3 qb's from USC, and as of right now they are all terrible. It will be interesting to see if the Raiders will play Leinhart if Palmer keeps playing like he is
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Heading into Week 3 of the Regular Season we have six 0-2 teams.

- Jacksonville Jaguars

- New Orleans Saints

- Tennessee Titans

- Cleveland Browns

- Oakland Raiders

- Kansas City Chiefs
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I find it a bit ironic that the Chiefs and Raiders have a combined 3 qb's from USC, and as of right now they are all terrible. It will be interesting to see if the Raiders will play Leinhart if Palmer keeps playing like he is
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Haha, that is true! I still think Matt Cassel is a solid back-up, though. However, Carson Palmer just looks so "old" out there. It's funny, because everyone always brings up his double tearing of the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments, and the cartilage and meniscus damage he received, as well, to his left knee. But, no one recalls the partially torn ligament and tendon in his elbow. Ever since 2008, Palmer just hasn't been the same.

Oh, and the Raiders should give Terrelle Pryor a chance, at least to see what he can bring to the table as a starting QB in the NFL. Starting Matt Leinart over Pryor does virtually nothing for the franchise...


[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1348034934' post='1158470']
Heading into Week 3 of the Regular Season we have six 0-2 teams.

- Jacksonville Jaguars

- New Orleans Saints

- Tennessee Titans

- Cleveland Browns

- Oakland Raiders

- Kansas City Chiefs
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Three, of which, drafted a 1st-round QB in either of the last two NFL Drafts. And that Drew Brees guy from the Saints ain't too shabby, either, and is hardly the reason why New Orleans is 0-2. On the contrary, though...

* The Oakland Raiders last drafted a quarterback, in the first round, during the 2007 NFL Draft. His name was JaMarcus Russell...

* Oh, and the Raiders have previously spent a 1st-round pick on a QB from USC. Does anyone remember Robo-QB?

* As for the Kansas City Chiefs, they last spent a first round pick on a quarterback all-the-way back in 1983. You know, the NFL Draft that arguably had the best and deepest QB class. Such talent included John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Ken O'Brien, to name a few. Heck, future Houston Texans head coach, Gary Kubiak, was also apart of that class. But, for the Chiefs? They drafted Todd Blackledge...

It's okay, Oakland and Kansas City! As they say, it's better late than never...
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348094030' post='1158986']
Haha, that is true! I still think Matt Cassel is a solid back-up, though. However, Carson Palmer just looks so "old" out there. It's funny, because everyone always brings up his double tearing of the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments, and the cartilage and meniscus damage he received, as well, to his left knee. But, no one recalls the partially torn ligament and tendon in his elbow. Ever since 2008, Palmer just hasn't been the same.

Oh, and the Raiders should give Terrelle Pryor a chance, at least to see what he can bring to the table as a starting QB in the NFL. Starting Matt Leinart over Pryor does virtually nothing for the franchise...

Three, of which, drafted a 1st-round QB in either of the last two NFL Drafts. And that Drew Brees guy from the Saints ain't too shabby, either, and is hardly the reason why New Orleans is 0-2. On the contrary, though...

* The Oakland Raiders last drafted a quarterback, in the first round, during the 2007 NFL Draft. His name was JaMarcus Russell...

* Oh, and the Raiders have previously spent a 1st-round pick on a QB from USC. [b]Does anyone remember Robo-QB[/b]?
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Was that Marinovich?

[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348094030' post='1158986']
* As for the Kansas City Chiefs, they last spent a first round pick on a quarterback all-the-way back in 1983. You know, the NFL Draft that arguably had the best and deepest QB class. Such talent included John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Ken O'Brien, to name a few. Heck, future Houston Texans head coach, Gary Kubiak, was also apart of that class. But, for the Chiefs? They drafted Todd Blackledge...

It's okay, Oakland and Kansas City! As they say, it's better late than never...
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Despite the (somewhat) surprising 0-2 start of the Raiders and Chiefs, I don't think either one will be in the running for the first pick in the draft; both rosters have a bit more talent then my top 2 choices: Cleveland and Jacksonville.

Jacksonville looks like a train wreck - they gained only 117 total yards last week, and had the ball only 16 minutes on offense. Gabbert was 7 of 19 passing. I think they may draft Barkley, in preparation for the team's move to California... ;)

Cleveland was my early choice for the Biggest Loser, but they almost beat Philthydelphia, and they scored 27 on the Bengals...

Just as long as the Jags don't draft a U of Cal QB - Joey Harrington, David Carr, Akili Smith, Trent Dilfer and Kyle Boller were all Cal Bear [b]first round [/b]QBs.
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[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1348100337' post='1159071']Was that Marinovich?[/quote]

Yes, yes it was. Todd Marinovich's 30 for 30 documentary was so sad. He never wanted to be the person his father forced him to be and that's why he used drugs to escape his life.

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1348100337' post='1159071']Despite the (somewhat) surprising 0-2 start of the Raiders and Chiefs, I don't think either one will be in the running for the first pick in the draft; both rosters have a bit more talent then my top 2 choices: Cleveland and Jacksonville.

Jacksonville looks like a train wreck - they gained only 117 total yards last week, and had the ball only 16 minutes on offense. Gabbert was 7 of 19 passing. I think they may draft Barkley, in preparation for the team's move to California... ;)

Cleveland was my early choice for the Biggest Loser, but they almost beat Philthydelphia, and they scored 27 on the Bengals...[/quote]

But, the thing is: Who's to say Matt Barkley will be the first, overall pick? That's why I'm predicting either the Raiders or Chiefs to draft him, regardless. Those two teams are playing, right now, like a bottom-feeder.

Although, in retrospect, it's pretty apparent the Jags were pressured to take a QB and "forced" Blaine Gabbert to be someone who's worth the 11th, overall pick of a NFL Draft, which he's obviously not and not by any long shot. Still, though (and I also feel the same way for the Vikes), two years is way too soon to abandon your (supposed) franchise QB. Basically, stick it out and wait another year to see if there's any improvement. After all, both of those teams have issues elsewhere, besides the QB position. Oh, and the Jaguars leaving Jacksonville isn't as simple as it seems (but, that's a story for another time).

That said, the NFL is at an unique period in its long history. Essentially, half of the league drafted a QB during the first two rounds in the last 5 years (and you could add Tim Tebow to that list to bring the total to 17, but, then again, he's long gone from Denver). Other than that, almost all of the rest of the teams' QBs still have years that they can play, and, even for the QBs that might be getting up there in years, that franchise already has the heir apparent (such as Ryan Mallet for Tom Brady and Brock Osweiler for Peyton Manning).

So, with that, I see three teams (and maybe a fourth, depending whether that team is the right fit for Matt Barkley) trading-up in next year's NFL Draft for Matt Barkley: Dallas Cowboys, Chicago Bears, Arizona Cardinals, and maybe the Philadelphia Eagles

The Cardinals are obvious. If anything, the lack of a QB, at the moment, is keeping this season's Arizona Cardinals from competing with the 49ers for the NFC West crown. Meanwhile, the Cowboys and Bears are the results of the franchise having enough of Tony Romo and Jay Cutler, respectively. It's not that hard to see both Romo and Cutler in make-or-break years. Maybe those teams decide to trade-up and make their historic franchise have Matt Barkley be their franchise QB. But, then again, they could pursue a replacement QB through free agency and/or trade.

That leaves me with Philly: IF Andy Reid keeps his job and Michael Vick remains healthy this year, then it's an absolute no. Reid has always had a scrambling QB run his West Coast Offense, whether it was McNabb, Jeff Garcia, or Vick (but, I guess Kevin Kolb never fitted that bill, so, oh well). However, if the Eagles stumble, they miss the playoffs, and/or Vick gets hurt, it might, finally be "that" time to start over. Which, in that case, Matt Barkley could be apart of that rebuilding process. However, it don't see it being likely...

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1348100337' post='1159071']Just as long as the Jags don't draft a U of Cal QB - Joey Harrington, David Carr, Akili Smith, Trent Dilfer and Kyle Boller were all Cal Bear [b]first round [/b]QBs.[/quote]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Kyle Boller is the only QB, listed there, that went to U-Cal. Both Joey Harrington and Aliki Smith are alums of Oregon, while David Carr and Trent Dilfer both went to Fresno State.

I think what you meant to say is that Harrington, Smith, Dilfer and Boller were all coached by Jeff Tedford. Although, David Carr never was mentored by him, seeing how Tedford was coaching Oregon by the time Carr was in college.

But, there was that one quarterback that played for the California Bears, though. I heard he was pretty good, too. What was his name, again? Oh, that's it: Aaron Rodgers...
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348104711' post='1159116']
Yes, yes it was. Todd Marinovich's 30 for 30 documentary was so sad. He never wanted to be the person his father forced him to be and that's why he used drugs to escape his life.
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You're right, Marinovich is the poster child of a young person overly pressured by a parent to fulfill the parent's dreams - and not necessarily the child's dream. It's like the kids that are enrolled as models / actors as young children, or children "trained' to be Olympic athletes - who lose their childhoods, because of it. Another example: Michael Jackson, perhaps.
[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348104711' post='1159116']
But, the thing is: Who's to say Matt Barkley will be the first, overall pick? That's why I'm predicting either the Raiders or Chiefs to draft him, regardless. Those two teams are playing, right now, like a bottom-feeder.

Although, in retrospect, it's pretty apparent the Jags were pressured to take a QB and "forced" Blaine Gabbert to be someone who's worth the 11th, overall pick of a NFL Draft, which he's obviously not and not by any long shot. Still, though (and I also feel the same way for the Vikes), two years is way too soon to abandon your (supposed) franchise QB. Basically, stick it out and wait another year to see if there's any improvement. After all, both of those teams have issues elsewhere, besides the QB position. Oh, and the Jaguars leaving Jacksonville isn't as simple as it seems (but, that's a story for another time).
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Yes, agree again. I don't think that the media-pushed Barkley will necessarily be the anointed star they would like him to be, ala Andrew Luck. The media loves to sell a young QB star watch - and Barkley is this year's flavor. However, you have a good point with the Raiders; they do need a QB, if Pryor doesn't work out, and they'd probably like the West Coast Barkley - if nothing else, it will sell season tickets. Jacksonville, wherever they end up, is seemingly in chaos - Gabbert looks like a disaster, a classic example of a franchise desperately needing a QB / Savior, and Gabbert was a (foolish) gamble. You might be able to stick Jake Locker and/or Christian Ponder in that mold - but both of those guys aren't necessarily flops, they just weren't worthy of a 1st rounder. Cleveland, are you listening? [size=1]cough[/size] Brandon Weeden [size=1]cough[/size]... Cleveland seems to have little direction - they semi-commit to McCoy, grab a 29 year old rookie QB, and are in the Barkley discussion.

[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348104711' post='1159116']

That said, the NFL is at an unique period in its long history. Essentially, half of the league drafted a QB during the first two rounds in the last 5 years (and you could add Tim Tebow to that list to bring the total to 17, but, then again, he's long gone from Denver). Other than that, almost all of the rest of the teams' QBs still have years that they can play, and, even for the QBs that might be getting up there in years, that franchise already has the heir apparent (such as Ryan Mallet for Tom Brady and Brock Osweiler for Peyton Manning).

So, with that, I see three teams (and maybe a fourth, depending whether that team is the right fit for Matt Barkley) trading-up in next year's NFL Draft for Matt Barkley: Dallas Cowboys, Chicago Bears, Arizona Cardinals, and maybe the Philadelphia Eagles

The Cardinals are obvious. If anything, the lack of a QB, at the moment, is keeping this season's Arizona Cardinals from competing with the 49ers for the NFC West crown. Meanwhile, the Cowboys and Bears are the results of the franchise having enough of Tony Romo and Jay Cutler, respectively. It's not that hard to see both Romo and Cutler in make-or-break years. Maybe those teams decide to trade-up and make their historic franchise have Matt Barkley be their franchise QB. But, then again, they could pursue a replacement QB through free agency and/or trade.

That leaves me with Philly: IF Andy Reid keeps his job and Michael Vick remains healthy this year, then it's an absolute no. Reid has always had a scrambling QB run his West Coast Offense, whether it was McNabb, Jeff Garcia, or Vick (but, I guess Kevin Kolb never fitted that bill, so, oh well). However, if the Eagles stumble, they miss the playoffs, and/or Vick gets hurt, it might, finally be "that" time to start over. Which, in that case, Matt Barkley could be apart of that rebuilding process. However, it don't see it being likely...

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It's become [b]such[/b] a QB driven league - the difference between success becoming so stark, based upon one position - that teams are desperate to get that young star, to provide a decade of Super Bowl contention. The classic Peyton - Leaf analogy - one team guaranteed itself to make the playoffs for a dozen straight years, the other, a disaster. I can't blame some of the teams - competitive teams, with skill players, good coaches and strong defenses - from taking a chance at a high first rounder, even if they have some reservations - because, without that one leader, a franchise QB, they'll toil in mediocrity.

The Cardinals - since Warner left, Leinart, Derek Anderson, Max Hall, Kolb, and Skelton, and still no joy. They've built a good defense, but they'll never win until they find [b]THAT[/b] guy. Philly seems to be another team that lacks a plan, since McNabb left - lots of quality skill players on both sides of the ball, and a parade of almost-starters (Jeff Garcia, A.J. Feeley, Kolb, and Vince Young) and I'm very skeptical that the package that Vick brings will ever get them to the 'Bowl.

Tony Romo is a mystery, to me - he seems to have lots of talent, and he's always been surrounded by lots of talent - at RB, TE and WR - but he always chokes? fades? I don't know how to categorize it... but I'm pretty sure the huge ego of Jerry Jones won't let it continue much longer. I'm just not sure it's been Romo's fault.

Personally, I really dislike Jay Cutler - I think he's immature, and a complainer. A QB has to be an example, a leader who inspires - and I don't think Cutler's teammates - at either Denver or Chicago - care much for his act. I'm certain he'll never win the big One, despite his physical talents... because no one buys into what he sells. He's one of the (few) players I actually root [b]against[/b]... ;)

And, lastly, I think that Matty Ice is slowly falling into this category... if he doesn't win some playoff games with the Falcons - a rep that he chokes, that he can't deliver when it counts. However, with Julio and Roddy, I think this may be the year he changes that.


[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348104711' post='1159116']

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Kyle Boller is the only QB, listed there, that went to U-Cal. Both Joey Harrington and Aliki Smith are alums of Oregon, while David Carr and Trent Dilfer both went to Fresno State.

I think what you meant to say is that Harrington, Smith, Dilfer and Boller were all coached by Jeff Tedford. Although, David Carr never was mentored by him, seeing how Tedford was coaching Oregon by the time Carr was in college.

But, there was that one quarterback that played for the California Bears, though. I heard he was pretty good, too. What was his name, again? Oh, that's it: Aaron Rodgers...
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Lol oops. Substitute the words, "Univ of California" with "Jeff Tedford." And I didn't remember Rodgers - yes, he's a win... :)
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Week 8 Update:

Chiefs, Panthers, and Jaguars are the three remaining teams who have only one win. The Browns and Saints each have two wins, while we have 12 three win teams including the Jets, Eagles, Bills, Raiders, who may be looking for a QB in 2013.

Looks like Chiefs and Jaguars will be battling for the top QB in the 2013 Draft whomever it ends up being.
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Can we change the title to Geno Smith Sweepstakes? QBs this year are not at the same level as last, but it looks like Geno is the best if the bunch.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351993447' post='1208385']
Can we change the title to Geno Smith Sweepstakes? QBs this year are not at the same level as last, but it looks like Geno is the best if the bunch.
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Looks like your going to get your wish. With Barkley separating his shoulder in a loss to UCLA it appears his draft stock could fall and I have no other choice except to change the name of this thread to the Geno Smith Sweepstakes. Also for the fact Smith has indeed looked good and should be one of the better QBs from this draft.

So now Kansas City and Jacksonville are fighting over Geno Smith.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1353219052' post='1221198']
I think Chiefs or Bills will get Barkley.

Eagles trade up for Smith lol
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I can easily see the Chiefs cleaning house if they get the number one pick and they will no doubt take Geno Smith. Barkley will slip in the draft now with his injury. Mid-Round to late first is where I believe Barkley will end up.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1343856502' post='1108220']
"Play like malarkey for Barkley"
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Making the L Column Sparkly for Barkely!
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Looks like your going to get your wish. With Barkley separating his shoulder in a loss to UCLA it appears his draft stock could fall and I have no other choice except to change the name of this thread to the Geno Smith Sweepstakes. Also for the fact Smith has indeed looked good and should be one of the better QBs from this draft.

So now Kansas City and Jacksonville are fighting over Geno Smith.
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Barkleys injury wont be the cause of his draft status change. He was never that good to begin with and that has become readily apparent over the course of the season.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1353221731' post='1221208']
What about Collin Klein? He's doing great this season! Few upperclassmen QBs, if any, can match him.
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Klein is Tebow 2.0.
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Looks like your going to get your wish. With Barkley separating his shoulder in a loss to UCLA it appears his draft stock could fall and I have no other choice except to change the name of this thread to the Geno Smith Sweepstakes. Also for the fact Smith has indeed looked good and should be one of the better QBs from this draft.

So now Kansas City and Jacksonville are fighting over Geno Smith.
[/quote]keeping telling yourself its his injury....
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1353245667' post='1221257']
keeping telling yourself its his injury....
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No I know it's not his injury, I was going to change it anyway because I thought Geno was the better quarterback to begin with. I just named this thread the "Matt Barkley Sweepstakes" because he was mostly the one everyone projected to go number one overall.

I also believe this is a weak QB draft class and I don't see anyone who can be a true standout. I still think Geno, Aaron Murray and Landry Jones will be the only good quarterbacks from this draft class but I just don't know if they will be true Franchise quarterbacks.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1353258410' post='1221371']
I still like Tyler Wilson the most, but Geno has the most upside. None of them should go in the top 5 though.
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Agreed, every Quarterback in this class has too many flaws to go in the top 5.

Luckily for us though, there's a reason these teams are picking in the top 5, which probably means Smith and Barkley go top 5. Still too early to tell though, there's a couple more weeks, bowl games, combine, time for idiots to make stupid mistakes before really projecting players.
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