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Geno Smith Sweepstakes

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So last year it was the Andrew Luck Sweepstakes or the favorite nick name, "Suck For Luck". So since we can't use Suck for Barkley because it doesn't rhyme, I'm going to use a phrase that I saw on Walter Football.com to describe the Draft.

The 2013 Draft will be known as the "Fall Flat for Matt" Sweepstakes. Quite simply like the Andrew Luck thread last year, who will be the team to draft Barkley with the 1st Overall Pick in the 2013 Draft.

I'm not quite sure yet but I have it down to five teams for next year.

- Jets: Honestly, with their QB situation I wouldn't doubt that the Jets are in position to draft a new QB, be it Barkley or anyone else.

- Raiders: They have a new GM, new HC and who knows if Carson Palmer still has it. I think if Palmer has a bad year, that it very well could mean the Raiders once again picking 1st Overall in a Draft.

- Jaguars: Right now I think between Jacksonville and Oakland, those two have been the most common teams I have seen mocked to be the 1st Overall Pick in 2013 and Blaine Gabbert is proving to be a horrible selection, MJD is holding out, Blackmon isn't signed, everything is a disaster in Jacksonville and could result in Matt Barkley coming to Jacksonville.

- Cardinals: Another bad QB situation. Kolb was injured most of last year, Skelton is ok but not a Franchise QB. If Kolb can't hold his own, I expect the Cardinals to be in the running for Matt Barkley.

- Seahawks: I think this is obvious. Matt Flynn was signed but he hasn't been given the starting job and if he loses to T-Jack, the Seahawks are in trouble. I think there is a good chance the Seahawks could have a USC Reunion between Pete Carroll and Matt Barkley.

[b]EDIT: With a shoulder injury to Matt Barkley and the fact Geno Smith is the only other QB worth taking at the top of the first round, this thread is now the Geno Smith Sweepstakes.[/b]
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And for the record "fall flat for matt" was far from your idea, you got it from walterfootball.com
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My guess it that it will be Raiders. Then it would probably the Browns or Dolphins even though they just drafted Tannehill and Weeden.

I don't think the Seahawks will even target a QB next season. They traded for Flynn and drafted Wilson in the 3rd. Both are already impressing coaches in training camp. They'll probably target some offensive line help, especially with the deep class in the next years draft.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343849910' post='1108142']
And for the record "fall flat for matt" was far from your idea, you got it from walterfootball.com
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I never said it was my idea, I just said that is what I'm going to be calling it.

Though, I will give you credit, even without Peyton I didn't think the Colts would be the worst team so maybe you can be right about the Jaguars and be 2 for 2.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343852443' post='1108175']
I never said it was my idea, I just said that is what I'm going to be calling it.

Though, I will give you credit, even without Peyton I didn't think the Colts would be the worst team so maybe you can be right about the Jaguars and be 2 for 2.
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i see you changed your initial post, i was going to quote you.. you said you came up with a name, then on the next line said fall flat for matt, and i caught you out :) haha
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343852443' post='1108175']
I never said it was my idea, I just said that is what I'm going to be calling it.

Though, I will give you credit, even without Peyton I didn't think the Colts would be the worst team so maybe you can be right about the Jaguars and be 2 for 2.
[/quote]if that gabbert is playing a full year, and mjd holds out like CJ does, that offense will be horrible because itl take mjd a few games to get up and running. Im not sure the d can play at that same level as well.
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[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1343853067' post='1108184']
Ninja edit! No edit evidence!
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I'm very very sneaky sir!
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[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1343853067' post='1108184']
Ninja edit! No edit evidence!
[/quote]thats the first time ive really truly seen it, was done very quick!
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1343856502' post='1108220']
"Play like malarkey for Barkley"
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Very Creative sir!
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I'm going to go with the Jaguars.

Gabbert sucks.

MJD is holding out.

Blackmon is acting like a tool.

I think the Browns are capable of running them close, but without MJD they don't have an offense and, even if he does end his hold-out soon he led the league in touches last year, which tends to mean a decline in production.
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Barkley isnt the best QB in next year's draft. Teams are going to have make a tough decision because i forsee Jags, Browns, Rams having the worst records and they all have used first round picks recently at that position.
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who do you think, is tyler bray? Logan thomas? Tyler Wilson? No way you think its Landry Jones
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343859904' post='1108245']
who do you think, is tyler bray? Logan thomas? Tyler Wilson? No way you think its Landry Jones
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Tyler Wilson. Very poised in the pocket. Smart. Tough. Mobile. Ideal size. Good accuracy. He has everything you look for in a QB. His numbers probably wont be as good as Barkley because he plays in SEC and doesnt have Woods and Lee to throw to.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1343859614' post='1108241']
Barkley isnt the best QB in next year's draft. Teams are going to have make a tough decision because i forsee Jags, Browns, Rams having the worst records and they all have used first round picks recently at that position.
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Ok, now it seems we are stating the obvious teams. Does anyone here see a SURPRISE team taking Barkley? I mean nobody expected Luck to end up in Indy, is there any surprise team who may end up taking him? I say it's between the Jets or Cowboys.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343860756' post='1108251']


Ok, now it seems we are stating the obvious teams. Does anyone here see a SURPRISE team taking Barkley? I mean nobody expected Luck to end up in Indy, is there any surprise team who may end up taking him? I say it's between the Jets or Cowboys.
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Neither of those teams will be drafting top 5. Maybe Denver if Peyton gets hurt...they went all in with him. Maybe Arizona but I think they will be decent again. Wilson and Barkley will most likely both be top 5 picks.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343860756' post='1108251']
Ok, now it seems we are stating the obvious teams. Does anyone here see a SURPRISE team taking Barkley? I mean nobody expected Luck to end up in Indy, is there any surprise team who may end up taking him? I say it's between the Jets or Cowboys.
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Well I think everyone knew Luck was going to Indy as soon as Peyton Manning's return was doubtful.

Are we talking about who has the worst record in the league by week 17 or who might trade up to get him? Because there practically no teams IMO that will trade up to get a QB as of now. Everyone has either their franchise guy or a young player they intend to groom.

The Dolphins, Jags, Colts, Redskins, Vikings, Bucs, Cardinals, and Rams are all bottom-ranked teams from last year that will be in the discussion for worst team of 2012. With that large of a group, it's hard to see any other team make a fall so low that they surpass those 8 teams in suckiness.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343862721' post='1108272']
It's something about these USC QB's I can't trust.[/quote]

I'll admit this reason here made me hesitant to start this thread. Aren't some of the other QBs RS Sophomores or Juniors who could go back for another year of college football? Part of me believes that history of past USC QBs says that Barkley may not be penciled in as the number one pick and that teams may be hesitant to take him due to other USC QBs not working out. I feel like USC and Notre Dame are schools now the NFL may think twice on drafting QBs from those schools due to previous quarterbacks proving to be a bust.
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So has pre-season changed anyone's mind on their pick to draft Matt Barkley?

I'm making my final prediction for the Matt Barkley Sweepstakes.

With the 1st Pick in the 2013 Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Matt Barkley QB USC.
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I'm going with the Cleveland Browns. Richardson may have health issues all year, and their schedule is brutal. IMO, they only have 4 potential "winnable" games - home vs. Buffalo, home vs. Washington, at Oakland and at Indy.

Of course, if they drafted Barkley, they'd have a 29 year old QB in his 2nd year, a (younger) former starter (Colt McCoy) who's only 25, and a rookie QB. For "normal" teams, it should be a "can't miss" opportunity.

Unless we're talking about the Browns. ;)
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Same question but for Week 1, has week one changed anyone's mind? Oakland lost so I'm still in the running to get that right but Buffalo is a serious contender for Barkley. I also think it's likely a USC Reunion between Petey and Barkley could happen in Seattle.
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Ok lets stop talking about Matt Barkley going #1. Hes overrated...ive said it all along if he didnt have two of the best WR in the country he wouldnt be a top 25 pick. Yet another USC QB bust in the NFL.
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i'm a huge usc fan but he's definitely over rated. this game is not all his fault though. the usc line tonight against stanford was probably one of the worst performances i have ever seen. Future draft picks Skov, Thomas, and Gardner made them look silly all night (one of them even did their polamalu impression jumping over the line several times). i'm loving skov/thomas on the ravens next year maybe? the draft stock for those 2 probably skyrocketed this game.

by the way, this whole QB class sucks as a whole. i am more appreciative of joe flacco now that i see the talent of the qb's these days. i can't see a qb from the 2013 draft class to have success in the nfl. none of them stand out. barkley has WR's, geno has wr's and a spread offense, jones is just ok, wilson needs more time to be evaluated, bray looks like a bust... it just doesn't look very bright for this qb class. in the end, i say Aaron Murray has the best chance to be great. thank god we aern't in need of a QB.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1347764233' post='1151421']
Ok lets stop talking about Matt Barkley going #1. Hes overrated...ive said it all along if he didnt have two of the best WR in the country he wouldnt be a top 25 pick. Yet another USC QB bust in the NFL.
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Really? Who you think could be the top QB next year? I personally think that a QB may not go # 1 Overall when it's all set and done. I think Star Lotulelei could very well fight to be the # 1 pick like Suh did in 2010. Unless of course another team decides to go for a QB like the Rams passed on Suh for and some team passes up on Lotulelei.
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[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1347766505' post='1151442']
i'm a huge usc fan but he's definitely over rated. this game is not all his fault though. the usc line tonight against stanford was probably one of the worst performances i have ever seen. Future draft picks Skov, Thomas, and Gardner made them look silly all night (one of them even did their polamalu impression jumping over the line several times). i'm loving skov/thomas on the ravens next year maybe? the draft stock for those 2 probably skyrocketed this game.

by the way, this whole QB class sucks as a whole. i am more appreciative of joe flacco now that i see the talent of the qb's these days. i can't see a qb from the 2013 draft class to have success in the nfl. none of them stand out. barkley has WR's, geno has wr's and a spread offense, jones is just ok, wilson needs more time to be evaluated, bray looks like a bust... it just doesn't look very bright for this qb class. in the end, i say Aaron Murray has the best chance to be great. thank god we aern't in need of a QB.
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I don't like Barkley much myself and personally think Landry Jones and Aaron Murray will be the best quarterbacks from the 2013 Class, unless of course Geno Smith comes out for the draft and then those three will be the best ones.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1347766508' post='1151443']


Really? Who you think could be the top QB next year? I personally think that a QB may not go # 1 Overall when it's all set and done. I think Star Lotulelei could very well fight to be the # 1 pick like Suh did in 2010. Unless of course another team decides to go for a QB like the Rams passed on Suh for and some team passes up on Lotulelei.
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Barkley might still be the #1 QB but he wont go first overall. Lotulelei is really good, but i think Mingo might be #1 overall. Personally, i think Tyler Wilson is much better than Barkley but he needs to get back on the field. It doesnt help that his team has completely imploded around him though.
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1347840029' post='1154949']
At the rate the season is going, it will be the Chiefs and Raiders, both whom need a face for their franchise (who will also be their signal-caller for the foreseeable future), that will be "battling" for the Matt Barkley sweepstakes. I can't a team like the Jags or Vikings pulling-the-trigger, this early, on Blaine Gabbert/Christian Ponder...
[/quote]I find it a bit ironic that the Chiefs and Raiders have a combined 3 qb's from USC, and as of right now they are all terrible. It will be interesting to see if the Raiders will play Leinhart if Palmer keeps playing like he is
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Heading into Week 3 of the Regular Season we have six 0-2 teams.

- Jacksonville Jaguars

- New Orleans Saints

- Tennessee Titans

- Cleveland Browns

- Oakland Raiders

- Kansas City Chiefs
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348094030' post='1158986']
Haha, that is true! I still think Matt Cassel is a solid back-up, though. However, Carson Palmer just looks so "old" out there. It's funny, because everyone always brings up his double tearing of the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments, and the cartilage and meniscus damage he received, as well, to his left knee. But, no one recalls the partially torn ligament and tendon in his elbow. Ever since 2008, Palmer just hasn't been the same.

Oh, and the Raiders should give Terrelle Pryor a chance, at least to see what he can bring to the table as a starting QB in the NFL. Starting Matt Leinart over Pryor does virtually nothing for the franchise...

Three, of which, drafted a 1st-round QB in either of the last two NFL Drafts. And that Drew Brees guy from the Saints ain't too shabby, either, and is hardly the reason why New Orleans is 0-2. On the contrary, though...

* The Oakland Raiders last drafted a quarterback, in the first round, during the 2007 NFL Draft. His name was JaMarcus Russell...

* Oh, and the Raiders have previously spent a 1st-round pick on a QB from USC. [b]Does anyone remember Robo-QB[/b]?
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Was that Marinovich?

[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348094030' post='1158986']
* As for the Kansas City Chiefs, they last spent a first round pick on a quarterback all-the-way back in 1983. You know, the NFL Draft that arguably had the best and deepest QB class. Such talent included John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Ken O'Brien, to name a few. Heck, future Houston Texans head coach, Gary Kubiak, was also apart of that class. But, for the Chiefs? They drafted Todd Blackledge...

It's okay, Oakland and Kansas City! As they say, it's better late than never...
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Despite the (somewhat) surprising 0-2 start of the Raiders and Chiefs, I don't think either one will be in the running for the first pick in the draft; both rosters have a bit more talent then my top 2 choices: Cleveland and Jacksonville.

Jacksonville looks like a train wreck - they gained only 117 total yards last week, and had the ball only 16 minutes on offense. Gabbert was 7 of 19 passing. I think they may draft Barkley, in preparation for the team's move to California... ;)

Cleveland was my early choice for the Biggest Loser, but they almost beat Philthydelphia, and they scored 27 on the Bengals...

Just as long as the Jags don't draft a U of Cal QB - Joey Harrington, David Carr, Akili Smith, Trent Dilfer and Kyle Boller were all Cal Bear [b]first round [/b]QBs.
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348104711' post='1159116']
Yes, yes it was. Todd Marinovich's 30 for 30 documentary was so sad. He never wanted to be the person his father forced him to be and that's why he used drugs to escape his life.
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You're right, Marinovich is the poster child of a young person overly pressured by a parent to fulfill the parent's dreams - and not necessarily the child's dream. It's like the kids that are enrolled as models / actors as young children, or children "trained' to be Olympic athletes - who lose their childhoods, because of it. Another example: Michael Jackson, perhaps.
[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348104711' post='1159116']
But, the thing is: Who's to say Matt Barkley will be the first, overall pick? That's why I'm predicting either the Raiders or Chiefs to draft him, regardless. Those two teams are playing, right now, like a bottom-feeder.

Although, in retrospect, it's pretty apparent the Jags were pressured to take a QB and "forced" Blaine Gabbert to be someone who's worth the 11th, overall pick of a NFL Draft, which he's obviously not and not by any long shot. Still, though (and I also feel the same way for the Vikes), two years is way too soon to abandon your (supposed) franchise QB. Basically, stick it out and wait another year to see if there's any improvement. After all, both of those teams have issues elsewhere, besides the QB position. Oh, and the Jaguars leaving Jacksonville isn't as simple as it seems (but, that's a story for another time).
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Yes, agree again. I don't think that the media-pushed Barkley will necessarily be the anointed star they would like him to be, ala Andrew Luck. The media loves to sell a young QB star watch - and Barkley is this year's flavor. However, you have a good point with the Raiders; they do need a QB, if Pryor doesn't work out, and they'd probably like the West Coast Barkley - if nothing else, it will sell season tickets. Jacksonville, wherever they end up, is seemingly in chaos - Gabbert looks like a disaster, a classic example of a franchise desperately needing a QB / Savior, and Gabbert was a (foolish) gamble. You might be able to stick Jake Locker and/or Christian Ponder in that mold - but both of those guys aren't necessarily flops, they just weren't worthy of a 1st rounder. Cleveland, are you listening? [size=1]cough[/size] Brandon Weeden [size=1]cough[/size]... Cleveland seems to have little direction - they semi-commit to McCoy, grab a 29 year old rookie QB, and are in the Barkley discussion.

[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348104711' post='1159116']

That said, the NFL is at an unique period in its long history. Essentially, half of the league drafted a QB during the first two rounds in the last 5 years (and you could add Tim Tebow to that list to bring the total to 17, but, then again, he's long gone from Denver). Other than that, almost all of the rest of the teams' QBs still have years that they can play, and, even for the QBs that might be getting up there in years, that franchise already has the heir apparent (such as Ryan Mallet for Tom Brady and Brock Osweiler for Peyton Manning).

So, with that, I see three teams (and maybe a fourth, depending whether that team is the right fit for Matt Barkley) trading-up in next year's NFL Draft for Matt Barkley: Dallas Cowboys, Chicago Bears, Arizona Cardinals, and maybe the Philadelphia Eagles

The Cardinals are obvious. If anything, the lack of a QB, at the moment, is keeping this season's Arizona Cardinals from competing with the 49ers for the NFC West crown. Meanwhile, the Cowboys and Bears are the results of the franchise having enough of Tony Romo and Jay Cutler, respectively. It's not that hard to see both Romo and Cutler in make-or-break years. Maybe those teams decide to trade-up and make their historic franchise have Matt Barkley be their franchise QB. But, then again, they could pursue a replacement QB through free agency and/or trade.

That leaves me with Philly: IF Andy Reid keeps his job and Michael Vick remains healthy this year, then it's an absolute no. Reid has always had a scrambling QB run his West Coast Offense, whether it was McNabb, Jeff Garcia, or Vick (but, I guess Kevin Kolb never fitted that bill, so, oh well). However, if the Eagles stumble, they miss the playoffs, and/or Vick gets hurt, it might, finally be "that" time to start over. Which, in that case, Matt Barkley could be apart of that rebuilding process. However, it don't see it being likely...

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It's become [b]such[/b] a QB driven league - the difference between success becoming so stark, based upon one position - that teams are desperate to get that young star, to provide a decade of Super Bowl contention. The classic Peyton - Leaf analogy - one team guaranteed itself to make the playoffs for a dozen straight years, the other, a disaster. I can't blame some of the teams - competitive teams, with skill players, good coaches and strong defenses - from taking a chance at a high first rounder, even if they have some reservations - because, without that one leader, a franchise QB, they'll toil in mediocrity.

The Cardinals - since Warner left, Leinart, Derek Anderson, Max Hall, Kolb, and Skelton, and still no joy. They've built a good defense, but they'll never win until they find [b]THAT[/b] guy. Philly seems to be another team that lacks a plan, since McNabb left - lots of quality skill players on both sides of the ball, and a parade of almost-starters (Jeff Garcia, A.J. Feeley, Kolb, and Vince Young) and I'm very skeptical that the package that Vick brings will ever get them to the 'Bowl.

Tony Romo is a mystery, to me - he seems to have lots of talent, and he's always been surrounded by lots of talent - at RB, TE and WR - but he always chokes? fades? I don't know how to categorize it... but I'm pretty sure the huge ego of Jerry Jones won't let it continue much longer. I'm just not sure it's been Romo's fault.

Personally, I really dislike Jay Cutler - I think he's immature, and a complainer. A QB has to be an example, a leader who inspires - and I don't think Cutler's teammates - at either Denver or Chicago - care much for his act. I'm certain he'll never win the big One, despite his physical talents... because no one buys into what he sells. He's one of the (few) players I actually root [b]against[/b]... ;)

And, lastly, I think that Matty Ice is slowly falling into this category... if he doesn't win some playoff games with the Falcons - a rep that he chokes, that he can't deliver when it counts. However, with Julio and Roddy, I think this may be the year he changes that.


[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1348104711' post='1159116']

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Kyle Boller is the only QB, listed there, that went to U-Cal. Both Joey Harrington and Aliki Smith are alums of Oregon, while David Carr and Trent Dilfer both went to Fresno State.

I think what you meant to say is that Harrington, Smith, Dilfer and Boller were all coached by Jeff Tedford. Although, David Carr never was mentored by him, seeing how Tedford was coaching Oregon by the time Carr was in college.

But, there was that one quarterback that played for the California Bears, though. I heard he was pretty good, too. What was his name, again? Oh, that's it: Aaron Rodgers...
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Lol oops. Substitute the words, "Univ of California" with "Jeff Tedford." And I didn't remember Rodgers - yes, he's a win... :)
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Week 8 Update:

Chiefs, Panthers, and Jaguars are the three remaining teams who have only one win. The Browns and Saints each have two wins, while we have 12 three win teams including the Jets, Eagles, Bills, Raiders, who may be looking for a QB in 2013.

Looks like Chiefs and Jaguars will be battling for the top QB in the 2013 Draft whomever it ends up being.
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Can we change the title to Geno Smith Sweepstakes? QBs this year are not at the same level as last, but it looks like Geno is the best if the bunch.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351993447' post='1208385']
Can we change the title to Geno Smith Sweepstakes? QBs this year are not at the same level as last, but it looks like Geno is the best if the bunch.
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Looks like your going to get your wish. With Barkley separating his shoulder in a loss to UCLA it appears his draft stock could fall and I have no other choice except to change the name of this thread to the Geno Smith Sweepstakes. Also for the fact Smith has indeed looked good and should be one of the better QBs from this draft.

So now Kansas City and Jacksonville are fighting over Geno Smith.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1353219052' post='1221198']
I think Chiefs or Bills will get Barkley.

Eagles trade up for Smith lol
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I can easily see the Chiefs cleaning house if they get the number one pick and they will no doubt take Geno Smith. Barkley will slip in the draft now with his injury. Mid-Round to late first is where I believe Barkley will end up.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1343856502' post='1108220']
"Play like malarkey for Barkley"
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Making the L Column Sparkly for Barkely!
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What about Collin Klein? He's doing great this season! Few upperclassmen QBs, if any, can match him.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1353215723' post='1221170']


Looks like your going to get your wish. With Barkley separating his shoulder in a loss to UCLA it appears his draft stock could fall and I have no other choice except to change the name of this thread to the Geno Smith Sweepstakes. Also for the fact Smith has indeed looked good and should be one of the better QBs from this draft.

So now Kansas City and Jacksonville are fighting over Geno Smith.
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Barkleys injury wont be the cause of his draft status change. He was never that good to begin with and that has become readily apparent over the course of the season.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1353221731' post='1221208']
What about Collin Klein? He's doing great this season! Few upperclassmen QBs, if any, can match him.
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Klein is Tebow 2.0.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1353215723' post='1221170']


Looks like your going to get your wish. With Barkley separating his shoulder in a loss to UCLA it appears his draft stock could fall and I have no other choice except to change the name of this thread to the Geno Smith Sweepstakes. Also for the fact Smith has indeed looked good and should be one of the better QBs from this draft.

So now Kansas City and Jacksonville are fighting over Geno Smith.
[/quote]keeping telling yourself its his injury....
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1353245667' post='1221257']
keeping telling yourself its his injury....
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No I know it's not his injury, I was going to change it anyway because I thought Geno was the better quarterback to begin with. I just named this thread the "Matt Barkley Sweepstakes" because he was mostly the one everyone projected to go number one overall.

I also believe this is a weak QB draft class and I don't see anyone who can be a true standout. I still think Geno, Aaron Murray and Landry Jones will be the only good quarterbacks from this draft class but I just don't know if they will be true Franchise quarterbacks.
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I still like Tyler Wilson the most, but Geno has the most upside. None of them should go in the top 5 though.
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