One plus One equals zero...Jets continue to amuse...

[ravensdfan]

Well, sadly, I seemed to have missed the Wednesday night fights. Darn!

1. He most certainly does "put on the show" for the media. He removed his shirt to simply run off the practice field. As the media was right there for the perfect shot, no doubt he absolutely knew they were there.
2. A gifted athlete. Sure. Anything above a bad QB. No.
3. If the Broncos' D had stepped up for Orton, Tebow would have never seen the field.
4. A passionate player that seems to motivate those around him.
5. He did not "tear up" the number 1 Defense. He went 10 for 21. His last pass was actually a 10 yard checkdown. It was all the receivers' 70 yd run for the TD. And that Defense was without Clark who, while not fantastic, is their best Corner. While I know you can look it up, I'd bet off the top of your head you don't even remember that receiver's name.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343861071' post='1108256']

That's what a great one would do. A bad one wouldn't have got that far. It still dont matter because they won the game. No credit taken away from Prater. I'm sure he would have loved to get closer, but he still made a unbelievable kick. And I thinkvit was 61, I still get your point though.
[/quote]Joe flacco got cundiff to 32 yards. Tebow got prayer to 61. That's the difference between good and bad. And I'll say it again. A good qb would have one that game in normal time with that broncos defense. Your blinded

[ravens__]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343891244' post='1108494']
Joe flacco got cundiff to 32 yards. Tebow got [b]prayer[/b] to 61. That's the difference between good and bad. And I'll say it again. A good qb would have one that game in normal time with that broncos defense. Your blinded
[/quote]

Intentional or not, nailed it!

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343891244' post='1108494']
Joe flacco got cundiff to 32 yards. Tebow got prayer to 61. That's the difference between good and bad. And I'll say it again. A good qb would have one that game in normal time with that broncos defense. Your blinded
[/quote]
What about the other times Tebow got Prater in good range? Or they don't count right?

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343915764' post='1108549']
What about the other times Tebow got Prater in good range? Or they don't count right?
[/quote]

What about the times where he had less than a 50% completion percentage?

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343915764' post='1108549']

What about the other times Tebow got Prater in good range? Or they don't count right?
[/quote]what about the other 50 mins in a game off football? A good qb would have won a lot of his games by half time the way that d was playing.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343928068' post='1108750']
what about the other 50 mins in a game off football? A good qb would have won a lot of his games by half time the way that d was playing.
[/quote]
Their defense wasn't as good as everyone says they were. They made some great plays in important moments but they only finished like 21st in ppg I think.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343930523' post='1108800']
Their defense wasn't as good as everyone says they were. They made some great plays in important moments but they only finished like 21st in ppg I think.
[/quote]ignoring the part you have zero argument against. Tebow got it done three or four times in the death, but was awful the other 50 minutes, and two say because he played decent enough they last 5/10 to win the game means hes a good QB is a stretch. Tony Romo is unclutch. But hes a good QB, why because he plays well almost every game every year. By your logic - being clutch means your a good qb - that means tony romo must be the worst QB in the league.

tebow won a few games in the dying moments. a good QB wouldnt have had to, because they would have had the game won before that. tebow inspires his team, rallies his troops like no other except ray lewis, well so it appears from how the rest of his team stood up and preformed when the QB change was made. But none of that makes him a good QB, good leader, good man, good athlete, stands up im the limelight, doesnt feel pressure, all that he is.. good QB?? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


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[JO_75]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343942014' post='1108940']
ignoring the part you have zero argument against. Tebow got it done three or four times in the death, but was awful the other 50 minutes, and two say because he played decent enough they last 5/10 to win the game means hes a good QB is a stretch. Tony Romo is unclutch. But hes a good QB, why because he plays well almost every game every year. By your logic - being clutch means your a good qb - that means tony romo must be the worst QB in the league.

tebow won a few games in the dying moments. a good QB wouldnt have had to, because they would have had the game won before that. tebow inspires his team, rallies his troops like no other except ray lewis, well so it appears from how the rest of his team stood up and preformed when the QB change was made. But none of that makes him a good QB, good leader, good man, good athlete, stands up im the limelight, doesnt feel pressure, all that he is.. good QB?? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


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Arnie there is no point in having a debate about Tebow with you because you have an obvious biased against him and any evidence shown to you that gives Tebow any credit, you just ignore. Yes Tebow only got Prater to 61 Yards, but at least he was able to, that's the only thing that matters. He was able to get Prater to within the range of Prater's FG distance, and yeah he is only one player on the team. Yeah Tebow sucked for most of the games but if it wasn't for the defense he wouldn't had the opportunities to make the game winning comebacks.

What is it that you have against him that you just don't like Tebow?

I saw today that the Jets revealed some Wild Cat package that has Tebow in during Goal line situations and he was able to succeed and score. It will be interesting to see how the Jets will handle the pressure of putting Tebow in the game when Sanchez screws up. Do they fall under the pressure like the Elway and Fox did last year or not?

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343942671' post='1108948']
Arnie there is no point in having a debate about Tebow with you because you have an obvious biased against him and any evidence shown to you that gives Tebow any credit, you just ignore. Yes Tebow only got Prater to 61 Yards, but at least he was able to, that's the only thing that matters. He was able to get Prater to within the range of Prater's FG distance, and yeah he is only one player on the team. Yeah Tebow sucked for most of the games but if it wasn't for the defense he wouldn't had the opportunities to make the game winning comebacks.

What is it that you have against him that you just don't like Tebow?

I saw today that the Jets revealed some Wild Cat package that has Tebow in during Goal line situations and he was able to succeed and score. It will be interesting to see how the Jets will handle the pressure of putting Tebow in the game when Sanchez screws up. Do they fall under the pressure like the Elway and Fox did last year or not?
[/quote]didnt you read my last paragraph? i gave the guy credit, and alot of it, i have no bias against him as a player. His what i think is antics doesnt affect my opinion of him as a player. Hes an awful QB, but he has other qualities as i said. If i was biased i wouldnt have complimented him in any way shape or form.

I cant believe you just came out and said that tbh. If anyone is biased, as ive stated, its Ravens <3

And i dont ignore any evidene, i counter all evidence he has thrown at me. So you mean to say you think hes a good QB?

[JO_75]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343945298' post='1108978']
didnt you read my last paragraph? i gave the guy credit, and alot of it, i have no bias against him as a player. His what i think is antics doesnt affect my opinion of him as a player. Hes an awful QB, but he has other qualities as i said. If i was biased i wouldnt have complimented him in any way shape or form.

I cant believe you just came out and said that tbh. If anyone is biased, as ive stated, its Ravens <3

And i dont ignore any evidene, i counter all evidence he has thrown at me. So you mean to say you think hes a good QB?
[/quote]

I'm iffy on that. In the Pittsburgh game, he certainly looked like he had improved his throwing motion, he looked better but at the same time he still needs to develop properly to even be a good QB. I think the Jets are smart for using him at the position he really is suited for and that is a RB/FB in goal line situations. As I have said before, I believe Tebow can be a good QB but only if he had the proper coaching and a coaching staff dedicated to helping him become a quarterback. He didn't have that in Denver(Elway for some reason hated him and wanted to see him fail) and he still doesn't have that in New York. I doubt he would have had it in Jacksonville.

I just find it funny how the Steelers schedule plays out in Weeks 1 and 2 of the regular season. They play a Broncos team who they lost to when Tebow was the starting QB and now face Peyton Manning, and then they get to see Tebow as a Jet in Week 2 who beat them in the playoff game and Sanchez who also beat the Steelers as well.

[arnie_uk]

he was 19 of 47 in the playoffs. If flacco (a good qb) done that he would be hunted down and his head would be on a spike on top on the bank.

If you or anyone else thinks he is a good qb, he has to be held to the standards of good qbs, and that percentage of 40 against one good d and one awful d, is not that of a good qb. he was also 46 % in the reg season, 12 TDs in 11 starts, but 33 sacks in 11 starts, thats three a game, 13 fumbles in 11 starts, thats over one a game, 6 of those lost, one every other game, add that to his 6 INTS thats over 1 turnover a game.

he averaged 157 yards passing a game, with only 2 200yard games, against Ds like detroit, oakland, vikings, NE. even when you add his 660 rush yards, he still only avg 217 yards a game.

Those or bottom feeder stats, hed be lucky to be in the 20s. More like 30th, 31st, 32nd.

he was 43 % in the redzone, throwing 2 INTS, good for a 65 QBR.

More? ok

In the first half he was 42% with QBR 65, he did howvever improve in the 2nd, but only to a mere 47% completion and 78QBR.

Did i hear clutch? 4th Qtr within 7 points, 46% and QBR 76.7. Now compare that to the unclutch Tony Romo, yeah that guy. 60% completion and 99.8QBR when behind by 7 in the 4th. He had a 96.7 QBR in the second half of games.

I think that "clutch" arguement is out of the water...

Cant believe i had to big up tony romo to prove a point, whats the world coming to haha

[hawkprey]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343948767' post='1109013']
he was 19 of 47 in the playoffs. If flacco (a good qb) done that he would be hunted down and his head would be on a spike on top on the bank.

If you or anyone else thinks he is a good qb, he has to be held to the standards of good qbs, and that percentage of 40 against one good d and one awful d, is not that of a good qb. he was also 46 % in the reg season, 12 TDs in 11 starts, but 33 sacks in 11 starts, thats three a game, 13 fumbles in 11 starts, thats over one a game, 6 of those lost, one every other game, add that to his 6 INTS thats over 1 turnover a game.

he averaged 157 yards passing a game, with only 2 200yard games, against Ds like detroit, oakland, vikings, NE. even when you add his 660 rush yards, he still only avg 217 yards a game.

Those or bottom feeder stats, hed be lucky to be in the 20s. More like 30th, 31st, 32nd.

he was 43 % in the redzone, throwing 2 INTS, good for a [b]65 QBR[/b].

More? ok

In the first half he was 42% with [b]QBR 65[/b], he did howvever improve in the 2nd, but only to a mere 47% completion and [b]78QBR[/b].

Did i hear clutch? 4th Qtr within 7 points, 46% and [b]QBR 76.7[/b]. Now compare that to the unclutch Tony Romo, yeah that guy. 60% completion and [b]99.8QBR[/b] when behind by 7 in the 4th. He had a [b]96.7 QBR[/b] in the second half of games.

I think that "clutch" arguement is out of the water...

Cant believe i had to big up tony romo to prove a point, whats the world coming to haha
[/quote]
Those are all extremely high for QBR. Are you sure you don't mean passer rating?

[Gordo52]

I think I made reasonable points. Agree to disagree it's whatever.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1343951713' post='1109064']

Those are all extremely high for QBR. Are you sure you don't mean passer rating?
[/quote]not ESPN thing. The traditional method the NFL actually use

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343957323' post='1109142']
I think I made reasonable points. Agree to disagree it's whatever.
[/quote]reasonable? I just blew them out of the water. He isn't clutch, he had a couple of clutch moments that escalated into something far bigger than what they were because of the media.

Sorry mate but you don't even have a leg to stand on saying Tebow is a good qb and you know your beat

[JO_75]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343977901' post='1109227']
reasonable? I just blew them out of the water. He isn't clutch, he had a couple of clutch moments that escalated into something far bigger than what they were because of the media.

Sorry mate but you don't even have a leg to stand on saying Tebow is a good qb and you know your beat
[/quote]

Didn't realize that Fantasy Football stats got you a Lombardi trophy. Last I checked, winning games got you to the playoffs and got you to the Super Bowl. Tebow no matter how he got there, had the wins, he took the same team Orton had at 1-4 and took them to the playoffs and even won a playoff game. Just because you base off stats doesn't mean he is wrong, again a win-loss record is the most important thing. Tebow didn't have the best stats in the world but at least he won games and took his team to the playoffs.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343977901' post='1109227']
reasonable? I just blew them out of the water. He isn't clutch, he had a couple of clutch moments that escalated into something far bigger than what they were because of the media.

Sorry mate but you don't even have a leg to stand on saying Tebow is a good qb and you know your beat
[/quote]
That's all just your opinion. And I'm just ttired of trying to argue something that gets nowhere. I don't care if alot of people agree with you, alot of people hate Tebow for the same reasons you do. All I know is that he's not a bad QB until he proves me wrong. Until he loses with the numbers he puts up. Whether that be next year or in two years. I admitted I was stupid about Sanchez being better then flacco, I will admit this if I wrong. But if you deny Tebow having an amazing career so far then you're just a hater. Plain & simple.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1344009374' post='1109332']
That's all just your opinion. And I'm just ttired of trying to argue something that gets nowhere. I don't care if alot of people agree with you, alot of people hate Tebow for the same reasons you do. All I know is that he's not a bad QB until he proves me wrong. Until he loses with the numbers he puts up. Whether that be next year or in two years. I admitted I was stupid about Sanchez being better then flacco, I will admit this if I wrong. But if you deny Tebow having an amazing career so far then you're just a hater. Plain & simple.
[/quote]hows he had an amazing career? enlighten me

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1344011030' post='1109351']
hows he had an amazing career? enlighten me
[/quote]
I know you've seen it million times thanks to ESPN & NFLN but check out that youtube video. If you deny that then you got serious problems lol

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1344011584' post='1109360']
I know you've seen it million times thanks to ESPN & NFLN but check out that youtube video. If you deny that then you got serious problems lol
[/quote]he came up good in a bout 4 games, hows that an amazing career?

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1344007680' post='1109320']
Didn't realize that Fantasy Football stats got you a Lombardi trophy. Last I checked, winning games got you to the playoffs and got you to the Super Bowl. Tebow no matter how he got there, had the wins, he took the same team Orton had at 1-4 and took them to the playoffs and even won a playoff game. Just because you base off stats doesn't mean he is wrong, again a win-loss record is the most important thing. Tebow didn't have the best stats in the world but at least he won games and took his team to the playoffs.
[/quote]you could argue wins yes, but not for tebow, hes 9 and 7 as a starter since hes been in the league, included playoffs. So ill say again, how is he a good qb?

[JO_75]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1344012054' post='1109368']
you could argue wins yes, but not for tebow, hes 9 and 7 as a starter since hes been in the league, included playoffs. So ill say again, how is he a good qb?
[/quote]

Yeah and remember, he was on the bench for most of 2010, only played the last couple games due to the Broncos record, was on the bench for the first 5 games in 2011, so of course he is only 9-7 as a starter because he hasn't had the opportunities to start for 16 games. Also, a 9-7 record is a winning record anyway you look at it.

[arnie_uk]

Yes but its not a good enough record to hang your hat on and say your a good player with stats like his.

[JO_75]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1344012405' post='1109375']
Yes but its not a good enough record to hang your hat on and say your a good player with stats like his.
[/quote]

Arnie, like I said you have an obvious biased against Tebow that regardless what anyone says your opinion on Tebow is the only thing matters. It doesn't matter what anyone else says, if they aren't agreeing with you on Tebow, you shoot their opinion down.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1344012788' post='1109380']
Arnie, like I said you have an obvious biased against Tebow that regardless what anyone says your opinion on Tebow is the only thing matters. It doesn't matter what anyone else says, if they aren't agreeing with you on Tebow, you shoot their opinion down.
[/quote]Im not shhoting it down, its called a counter arguement, and as i said i dont have any bias towards him as a player. Hes not a good QB, you and ravens <3 are saying he is, and im counter arguing that because everything is on my side.

You want to know whats clutch. Joe Flacco, 31TDS 0 INTS in the Redzone.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1344012054' post='1109368']
you could argue wins yes, but not for tebow, hes 9 and 7 as a starter since hes been in the league, included playoffs. So ill say again, how is he a good qb?
[/quote] How is he not a good QB? He's not great and he's not bad. What is he then?

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1344011932' post='1109363']
he came up good in a bout 4 games, hows that an amazing career?
[/quote]
Considering how short his career has been. In 2010 he threw for a total of 654 yards, five touchdowns and three interceptions. He also rushed for 227 yards and six touchdowns. Tebow became the first quarterback in NFL history to rush for a touchdown in each of his first three career starts.
2011 really should speak for itself.
When he took over at halftime for a 1-4 team, he led the Broncos back from a 16-point deficit, as he passed and ran for a touchdown in the fourth quarter. The Chargers ultimately won the game, 29–24.

Then he went on the road vs the Dolphins in a high pressure game, They struggled in the first three-and-a-half quarters against the Dolphins, but rallied from a 15–0 deficit in the last three minutes to win the game, 18–15, in overtime. Denver became the first team in NFL history to win a game after being down by at least 15 points with three minutes to play in a game

Vs the Raiders.... Tebow rushed for 117 yards, along with passing for 124 yards and two touchdowns, as part of a 38–24 road victory over the Raiders It was the first game in his NFL career that Tebow rushed for at least 100 yards. Broncos' RB McGahee ran for 163 yards and two touchdowns, making Tebow and McGahee only the fifth quarterback and running back tandem in NFL history to run for at least 100 yards in the same game.

Tebow completed two passes on eight attempts for 69 yards and a touchdown. His second completion, a 56-yard touchdown pass in the fourth quarter to wide receiver Eric Decker, sealed the game for Denver. Tebow became the fifth quarterback since 1980 to win a game after being the sole quarterback on the winning team to complete two or fewer passes.

Four days later, Tebow was 9-for-20 with 104 yards in a Thursday night football home game against the New York Jets. He led a 95-yard, game-winning touchdown drive with less than six minutes to play, and the Broncos trailing, 13–10. On third-and-four, Tebow ran for a 20-yard touchdown with less than one minute remaining. The Broncos won the game, 17–13.

Tebow guided the Broncos to another comeback victory the next week—a 16–13 overtime road win over the San Diego Chargers. He ran the ball 22 times for 67 yards. His 22 rushing attempts were the most by an NFL quarterback since 1950.

In the 10th start of his NFL career, Tebow led the Broncos to their third consecutive come-from-behind win of the season after trailing going into the fourth quarter, as Denver beat the Viking on the road, 35–32.

The following Sunday, Tebow once again guided a comeback victory, this time at home over the Bears. Denver won 13-10 in overtime after facing a 10-0 deficit with just over two minutes to play in regulation. Tebow's sixth come-from-behind fourth quarter or overtime victory in his 11 career starts was the most in NFL history for any quarterback in that time span.

Then he lost to the Patriots,Bill,Chiefs and won the wildcard.

Tebow threw for a career high 316 yards and two touchdowns, including an 80 yard TD to Demaryious Thomas on the first play of overtime, as the Broncos won 29–23.Tebow completed 10 of 21 passes in the contest, setting the franchise record for quarterback rating in a playoff game (125.6) and an NFL record for yards per completion (31.6) in a playoff game.

Arguing that he is not a good QB is understandable, but not having an amazing career, so far is NUTS.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1344013360' post='1109392']
Im not shhoting it down, its called a counter arguement, and as i said i dont have any bias towards him as a player. Hes not a good QB, you and ravens <3 are saying he is, and im counter arguing that [b]because everything is on my side.[/b]

You want to know whats clutch. Joe Flacco, 31TDS 0 INTS in the Redzone.
[/quote]
That right there shows it lol. It's not all on your side it's your opinion.

That also is clutch but no one is comparing Joe and Tebow.

[arnie_uk]

So now your backtracking, hes not a good QB but hes had an amazing career? i want to say something here but it'l get me a warning

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1344013540' post='1109397']
That right there shows it lol. It's not all on your side it's your opinion.

That also is clutch but no one is comparing Joe and Tebow.
[/quote]if your saying that tebow is a good qb he has to be compared to good qbs, other wise he has an unfair advantage. if you cant compare him to good qbs then you admitting he isnt one.

Hows it not all on my side? stats are opinions? since when? i clearly showed to you he isnt a good qb. While ive admitted hes had a couple of clutch moments, he can handle pressure, hes a great person, means well, great athlete.

Far more than you've admitted. You turn a blind eye to every single thing ive shown you that counters your opinion. Thats the sign someone is biased, im giving him credit, for what he deserves it for. But he is not a good qb, and thats complete unbiased fact!