One plus One equals zero...Jets continue to amuse...

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343768071' post='1107521']
and again, he wasnt the guy that was clutch, most of the time it came down to his kicker. Did you see tha +60 yarder against the bears?
[/quote]
That was a great kick indeed. Prater has one of the strongest legs in the NFL...

But who threw a TD with 2:10, left on the clock, no timeouts while losing 10-0? Then who put their kicker in the position to kick a game tying field goal? Then after the fumble he took it down field about 30 some yards to put Prater in his crazy range. Thats right, Timmy Tebow. He could have done better, no question, but he got the job done. I never said he has a arm of Rodgers,Manning like who can just fling it downfield with no problem. He faced a ton of pressure that game against a tough Bears D, but still made the throws he had to. It all comes with "Tebow Magic".

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343770367' post='1107538']
That was a great kick indeed. Prater has one of the strongest legs in the NFL...

But who threw a TD with 2:10, left on the clock, no timeouts while losing 10-0? Then who put their kicker in the position to kick a game tying field goal? Then after the fumble he took it down field about 30 some yards to put Prater in his crazy range. Thats right, Timmy Tebow. He could have done better, no question, but he got the job done. I never said he has a arm of Rodgers,Manning like who can just fling it downfield with no problem. He faced a ton of pressure that game against a tough Bears D, but still made the throws he had to. It all comes with "Tebow Magic".
[/quote]he wouldnt have got any sort of opportunity if it wasnt for marion barber. he also didnt really get it into range, into range would have been what joe flacco done for billy in the afc game. a 63 yarder(i think) is asking to much and although he made it, it wasnt great play by this clutch guy tebow, leaving him so much to do. A better passer would have got his team further up the field and prater would have had an easier kick.

thats what id say is clutch QB play, just because prater kicked a monsterous 63 yarder, you say tebow is clutch for getting him there? No! getting up to around 40 yards, is what a good QB does.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343771039' post='1107546']
he wouldnt have got any sort of opportunity if it wasnt for marion barber. he also didnt really get it into range, into range would have been what joe flacco done for billy in the afc game. a 63 yarder(i think) is asking to much and although he made it, it wasnt great play by this clutch guy tebow, leaving him so much to do. A better passer would have got his team further up the field and prater would have had an easier kick.

thats what id say is clutch QB play, just because prater kicked a monsterous 63 yarder, you say tebow is clutch for getting him there? No! getting up to around 40 yards, is what a good QB does.
[/quote]
Tebow got him right where he needed to get him. Like I said he obviously has no elite arm, but it was enough to win the game. Snce he's a huge run threat it helps him bail him out of some of those situations too.

D. Thomas also had 3 drops in that game, granted 2 weren't perfect thrown balls but all were catchable.

As for Prater, he's also super clutch for hitting it. Barber running out of bounds was lucky, but sometimes you get lucky.

[The Raven]

Lol!

31st passing offense /endthread

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343771958' post='1107560']
Tebow got him right where he needed to get him. Like I said he obviously has no elite arm, but it was enough to win the game. Snce he's a huge run threat it helps him bail him out of some of those situations too.

D. Thomas also had 3 drops in that game, granted 2 weren't perfect thrown balls but all were catchable.

As for Prater, he's also super clutch for hitting it. Barber running out of bounds was lucky, but sometimes you get lucky.
[/quote]if prater missed that kick the bears win that game because they are only 20-30 yards away from scoring. tebow didnt get him where he needed to be, it was a mamoth kick, it was all prater, tebow should have got him closer, a lot closer, thats what a good qb would have done

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343774877' post='1107595']
if prater missed that kick the bears win that game because they are only 20-30 yards away from scoring. tebow didnt get him where he needed to be, it was a mamoth kick, it was all prater, tebow should have got him closer, a lot closer, thats what a good qb would have done
[/quote]
No that's what a QB with an elite arm would have done. It just so happens a good, very clutch one got it there for his very good, clutch kicker.

[K-Dog]

both of them are better QB's than I am.





Just sayin'.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343775827' post='1107609']
No that's what a QB with an elite arm would have done. It just so happens a good, very clutch one got it there for his very good, clutch kicker.
[/quote]he's not a good qb. We've had this arguement before and I had all kinds of stats to back up what I and everyone else knows but you can't see it ,[i]<not nice>.[/i]
If he didn't flaunt or be so in your face getting all the attention you wouldnt be biased. Any wonder people don't like him when this is what it does.

[raybaby]

My take on Tebow is that he does enjoy the limelight. Did he start the hype? No but I think it's a little naive to think he is a bystander to it all. You could argue it's [i]solely[/i] to spread his faith but I think that would be naive too. It's not a bad thing. It's doesn't make him a bad guy. It appears that he is a great guy. As for him being loud about his faith that's his right.

[raybaby]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343775827' post='1107609']
No that's what a QB with an elite arm would have done. It just so happens a good, very clutch one got it there for his very good, clutch kicker.
[/quote]

I think you're missing the point. You are saying he is clutchest player but arnie is proving to you in that game he obviously wasn't. If you are going to put him up on that level, he has to be measured next to the other quarterbacks in the league because that's the position that he plays. And if any other quarterback had to make their kicker kick a 60 yarder to win the game they failed on that drive. Period.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1343816283' post='1107825']
I think you're missing the point. You are saying he is clutchest player but arnie is proving to you in that game he obviously wasn't. If you are going to put him up on that level, he has to be measured next to the other quarterbacks in the league because that's the position that he plays. And if any other quarterback had to make their kicker kick a 60 yarder to win the game they failed on that drive. Period.
[/quote]Thank you, making your kicker hit a 60 yarder, no matter if he made it or not, is far from clutch. Thats Prater and Prater only, tebow failed to do what he would have been asked, get the kicker into around a 40 yarder.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1343816283' post='1107825']


I think you're missing the point. You are saying he is clutchest player but arnie is proving to you in that game he obviously wasn't. If you are going to put him up on that level, he has to be measured next to the other quarterbacks in the league because that's the position that he plays. And if any other quarterback had to make their kicker kick a 60 yarder to win the game they failed on that drive. Period.
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Look up the highlights on that game. The fact is HE GOT IT DONE. That's all that matters. It doesn't matter how you get it down if you get it done.
And its not fair to measure Tebow to the elite throwers. He hasn't even had 16 regular season starts yet! (Sounding like skip here) but his coaches didn't like him and they were basically forced to put him in which saved their season.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343824515' post='1107859']
Thank you, making your kicker hit a 60 yarder, no matter if he made it or not, is far from clutch. Thats Prater and Prater only, tebow failed to do what he would have been asked, get the kicker into around a 40 yarder.
[/quote]
He could of did nothing at all. He could of turned the ball over. He didn't, he moved it 35 yards with his limited experience in a high presaure moment, against a great defense.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343805454' post='1107819']
he's not a good qb. We've had this arguement before and I had all kinds of stats to back up what I and everyone else knows but you can't see it ,[i]<not nice>.[/i]
If he didn't flaunt or be so in your face getting all the attention you wouldnt be biased. Any wonder people don't like him when this is what it does.
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What stat matters the most Arnie? WINS. And I could care less about how some of his individual stats look, until he proves me wrong I wont admit that he's not a good QB. Or do the most important stats don't matter now because the person who 'flaunts' something that you don't like and agree with has them? It's not like I'm comparing his skillset to one of Rodgers,Brees, or Brady.

The fact that Tim and I share the same faith is another reason I like him[b] off[/b] the field. I admire him for standing up for what he believes in, wearing his heart on his sleeve, and not backing down from anyone in this cold world. He helps alot of people and is an actual role model for kids growing up.... Very rare.

That has nothing to do with what I think of him [b]on[/b] the field. I admit, he's not a good thrower, [b]but he's also not a bad one[/b]. He rarely throws INTs. You fail to realize how young and inexpierenced he is. He doesn't make good reads. But once again, lack of expierence. He had one offseason taken from him due to the lockout, and the other one taking reps as a 3rd stringer. Fox normally ran it 2-3 times a drive before he would let Tim throw. Maybe if he could have put Tim in that kind of styled offense instead of not trusting him, his stats that mean the world to you would look better.

Maybe you're the one who is biased here for all the hate you give him, and nothing else. I don't even know why I'm arguing with someone who cannot admit their wrong anyway, so I'll stop lol, <not nice>

[arnie_uk]

for one, the <not nice> wasnt me and the deleted something. And two, im in no way shape or form biased, im as religious as the next man, i respect people that carry themselves like him, like ray lewis, and for all the too. But tebows religious acts are getting a bit like a circus act.

that doesnt mean i think a good qb is bad, i think a bad qb is bad, i have everything on my side backing that up, all you have is what 3? game winning drives, where a decent QB could have been sitting on the bench with his feet up because they were so far ahead.

Oh and of course, helping his kicker get in position for a 63 yard kick. 63 YARDSSSSS!! do you see that? can you read, that winning kick, had sfa to do with tebow, or anyone else on that offense, they failed to put him in a comfortable position, that bears win was on prater shoulders, and praters only!

And finially why would i admit im wrong, when every thing, stats, preformances, etc etc back up hes a bad QB, and dont forget 99% of people agree hes a bad QB, your the one who cant admit there wrong. Ask any other person in here and theyd agree, tebow is not a good QB, hes in the bottom 5, easily.

You fighting this is really making me question your football knowledge to be honest, in fact, i thought more of you when i thought you were religiously biased, but oyur adamant your not, so the only other explanation is you dont know an awful lot.

[The Raven]

I think it's worth repeating....... [u][i][b]31st ranked passing offense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b][/i][/u]

Only the Jaguars had a worse ranked passing offense!!!!!

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1343852005' post='1108169']
I think it's worth repeating....... [u][i][b]31st ranked passing offense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b][/i][/u]

Only the Jaguars had a worse ranked passing offense!!!!!
[/quote]and the broncos have better recievers than quite a few of those teams did last year, and better o line, good RBs

[The Raven]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343852297' post='1108172']
and the broncos have better recievers than quite a few of those teams did last year, and better o line, good RBs
[/quote]

Exactly. If Joe had Demayrius Thomas... That would be fantastic.

I'm willing to say that the Broncos will have a top five offense, and the only change is the addition of Peyton Manning.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1343852453' post='1108176']
Exactly. If Joe had Demayrius Thomas... That would be fantastic.

I'm willing to say that the Broncos will have a top five offense, and the only change is the addition of Peyton Manning.
[/quote]While thats a huge change, it does paint a picture

[Gordo52]

Then I guess Skip and I stand alone when thinking nothing is wrong about taking over a 1-4 team, leading them to the divisionals no matter how its done. Lol

Especially when all the odds are against you.

Prater wouldnt have been in the position to make a crazy game tying kick if it wasn't for Tebow stepping up in the 4th.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343853160' post='1108186']
Then I guess Skip and I stand alone when thinking nothing is wrong about taking over a 1-4 team, leading them to the divisionals no matter how its done. Lol

Especially when all the odds are against you.

Prater wouldnt have been in the position to make a crazy game tying kick if it wasn't for Tebow stepping up in the 4th.
[/quote]no prater wouldnt have been. He would have been 20 yards closer in if it wasnt for tebow. thats the point your missing, and thats the difference between good and bad

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343853160' post='1108186']
Then I guess Skip and I stand alone when thinking nothing is wrong about taking over a 1-4 team, leading them to the divisionals no matter how its done. Lol

Especially when all the odds are against you.

Prater wouldnt have been in the position to make a crazy game tying kick if it wasn't for Tebow stepping up in the 4th.
[/quote]

Skip doesn't have [u]any[/u] credibility. He always maintains that Joe sucks, but apparently Tebow is God's gift to football. The funny part is, Joe wins and has better numbers. So yes, you and Skip are alone on this one. I think that the 31st ranked passing offense speaks for itself. And Tebow got smacked by the 31st ranked passing defense. The fact that they won games is because of their defense, their run game, Prater, and sheer dumb luck.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1343853585' post='1108190']
no prater wouldnt have been. He would have been 20 yards closer in if it wasnt for tebow. thats the point your missing, and thats the difference between good and bad
[/quote]
That's what a great one would do. A bad one wouldn't have got that far. It still dont matter because they won the game. No credit taken away from Prater. I'm sure he would have loved to get closer, but he still made a unbelievable kick. And I thinkvit was 61, I still get your point though.

[raybaby]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1343835285' post='1107947']
Look up the highlights on that game. The fact is HE GOT IT DONE. That's all that matters. It doesn't matter how you get it down if you get it done.
And its not fair to measure Tebow to the elite throwers. He hasn't even had 16 regular season starts yet! (Sounding like skip here) but his coaches didn't like him and they were basically forced to put him in which saved their season.
[/quote]

The thing is I'm not measuring him up to the 'elite throwers'. I'm just measuring him with every other quarterback in the league. And they wouldn't be the 'clutchest player' for doing nothing all game and then finally putting up a total of 7 whether it was in the 4th quarter or not. Because really if their kicker doesn't make a crazy kick that's all he did. That game tying drive 99 times out 100 would result in a loss. That game tying drive would be a failure for any other quarterback. Yes at the end of the day the kicker made it but you put him on a level above everyone when it's clear that even side by side with other quarterbacks he doesn't match up. I'm not someone who doesn't credit Tebow. I think was apart of the team wins. I think he made some clutch plays. I just don't think that kind of praise is warranted.

[Passepartout]

Well Jets fans booed Tebow just recently at training camp. So far, they are on the side of Sanchez!

[Gordo52]

Agree to disagree.
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[Purple Nurple]

I can find propoganda film that makes Hitler look good. Doesn't make it true!

[The Raven]

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And I'm done

[Gordo52]

Just showing why I like him.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Passepartout' timestamp='1343867916' post='1108321']
Well Jets fans booed Tebow just recently at training camp. So far, they are on the side of Sanchez!
[/quote]

Wait for Sanchez to mess up in the regular season. Then we'll see whose side they are on.