O-line: Is this the worst group we've ever had?

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1343418549' post='1104327']
Yes I'm sure James Harrison and Lamarr Woodley are terrified right now.
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And they were terrified last year?

People said the same thing week 1 last year. Oh McKinnie didn't even have a preseason game, Harrison is gonna destory him.

Fact is you don't know until you see it happen.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='ravensfan2430' timestamp='1343412435' post='1104218']


honestly, I think Cousins was one of the worst linemen I've seen... on the Ravens
[/quote]Revolving door comes to mind lol

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1343418431' post='1104325']
That line could be fantastic in the run game! Maulers on the left, and maulers on the right. Pass protection could be scary though.

I wonder if we'll ever experiment with KO at LT now that McKinnie went and screwed us. Just to experiment.
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I doubt it. The Ravens really like Oher at LT and feel he's a better LT then RT. KO at RT might not be too bad, but ultimately I think his home is inside.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1343418425' post='1104324']
Reid will be the RT when he comes back. KO at tackle is out of position. He will be the starting LG soon enough. Then we could have a line where Oher is the second oldest instead of the youngest.
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You do realize that KO was a starting LT in college right. He's actually out of position at LG because he's never played the position before.

However I do agree with you. When/If Ried can come back healthy, he should be good enough to take over the RT position. Pushing KO to the inside.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1343419392' post='1104339']
And they were terrified last year?

People said the same thing week 1 last year. Oh McKinnie didn't even have a preseason game, Harrison is gonna destory him.

[b]Fact is you don't know until you see it happen.[/b]
[/quote]

What, and you do? McKinnie beat on Harrison in game 1 because he was hurt, Harrison was only happy to return the favor in game 2. It's far from pretty but we'll see what happens.

[rmw10]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1343419624' post='1104343']


You do realize that KO was a starting LT in college right. He's actually out of position at LG because he's never played the position before.

However I do agree with you. When/If Ried can come back healthy, he should be good enough to take over the RT position. Pushing KO to the inside.
[/quote]

Yes, but he doesn't fit there in the NFL. You can put guys out of position in college, but the truth is, he doesn't have the intangibles to be a LT in the NFL. Even RT is questionable.

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1343419392' post='1104339']
And they were terrified last year?

People said the same thing week 1 last year. Oh McKinnie didn't even have a preseason game, Harrison is gonna destory him.

Fact is you don't know until you see it happen.
[/quote]

Harrison was hurt in the first part of the year last year. McKinnie man handled him because he had surgery on his lower back and was not recovered.

That is evident because Harrison returned the favor in the second game and owned McKinnie. I think Harrison had like 3-4 sacks and almost 10 tackles. He almost single handidly won them the game.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1343419858' post='1104347']
What, and you do? McKinnie beat on Harrison in game 1 because he was hurt, Harrison was only happy to return the favor in game 2. It's far from pretty but we'll see what happens.
[/quote]

I was saying you in general. Like you don't know what you have untll it's gone type of thing. No you personally.

All things aren't and won't be pretty. I remember last season when people started getting excited about Cary Williams. There was guys like, oh he's not starting quality, he's a ST guy, the Titans cut him for a reason, him starting is a bad ideal. Now the guy is a big reason why guys like Webb feel we can be one of the best secondaries in the NFL.

I seem to be in the minority here, which i don't mind, but Oher is a solid LT imo. He needs to show he can get good/great there. Bobbie Williams is a older guy yes, but he was a pretty good RG for the Bengals over the years. Was it the injury or his overall play that forced his release? We'll see in the next few weeks.

I just don't buy into the fact that change is always bad with most here seem to. KO was drafted in the 2nd round for a reason. Does it mean he's good enough to start, we'll see. The Ravens traded up for Ried, did they make a mistake? we'll see that too.

Last time I checked teams used Training Camp and preseason games to get better. I'm at least willing to see that play out.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1343420186' post='1104350']
Yes, but he doesn't fit there in the NFL. You can put guys out of position in college, but the truth is, he doesn't have the intangibles to be a LT in the NFL. Even RT is questionable.
[/quote]

He's not a NFL LT imo, but at the very least he's played the tackle position so he's familiar with it, be it RT or LT. He's never played OG before, so that's something he's learning. KO might just be a All-Pro OG in the NFL from day one. But the guy has experience as a T, and none at OG.

So he's just as much out of position or a risk at OG as RT. imo. But again, I do agree with you for the most part.

[The Raven]

I suggest that we wait at least until the first preseason game to begin panicking about anything.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1343420254' post='1104353']
Harrison was hurt in the first part of the year last year. McKinnie man handled him because he had surgery on his lower back and was not recovered.

That is evident because Harrison returned the favor in the second game and owned McKinnie. I think Harrison had like 3-4 sacks and almost 10 tackles. He almost single handidly won them the game.
[/quote]

When did I say anything about the 2nd game. I said people had basically the same type of negative reaction about the Oline heading into the Week 1 game. People knew back then that Harrison was coming off his back injury, it didn't stop them from saying he would destory McKinnie. But it didn't happen.

Oh and if you wanna talk about the 2nd game, you might wanna go back and re-watch it. Harrison had a big game because the Steelers moved him around. McKinnie gave up one sack to Harrison in that game. Oher and Ricky gave up the others. But that's not the point. Point is, we don't know what will happen with this Oline untll we see them in action together.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1343419624' post='1104343']
You do realize that KO was a starting LT in college right. He's actually out of position at LG because he's never played the position before.

However I do agree with you. When/If Ried can come back healthy, he should be good enough to take over the RT position. Pushing KO to the inside.
[/quote]
Yes I realize that, but he really wasn't that good at LT. RT is an experiment for him. His strong suit will be guard by far. So I'm willing to call him out of position at tackle in the NFL.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1343422428' post='1104391']
Yes I realize that, but he really wasn't that good at LT. RT is an experiment for him. His strong suit will be guard by far. So I'm willing to call him out of position at tackle in the NFL.
[/quote]

I disagree, I think he was really good at LT in college. I just think his technique really wasn't and it would take him longer to develop into a quality OT in the NFL.

But as I've said before, I do agree that his better position early will be OG, but I don't think he should be written off as a possible RT.

[Alexir]

If I were Ozzie I would of tagged Grubbs, saved a lot of hassle and we could of used our pick on a tackle instead of KO.

[arnie_uk]

It's def our biggest question mark and weakest link. Many of us thought that our season would go how the o line goes, so it is a little worrying looking at the team sheet. But they might merge well and play together well.

[codizzle]

Supposedly the oline did well today.. The offense torched the defense in 11 on 11 2 min drill...

But that's mostly because the D had no Ngata or Webb probably

[Gordo52]

Biggest weakness on this team, but I don't think it will be the worst ever.

Worse then last year? Maybe, we just got to wait and see.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1343423188' post='1104405']
If I were Ozzie I would of tagged Grubbs, saved a lot of hassle and we could of used our pick on a tackle instead of KO.
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Can't tag a G and pay him that kind of money while letting Rice walk in FA. If Flacco had shown more consistency to this point in being able to take over games, then you can play roulette with Pierce at HB knowing Flacco can throw 30-35 times and win games consistently.

Until he does, Ozzie made the right choice. He had to make that choice.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1343423943' post='1104413']
Can't tag a G and pay him that kind of money while letting Rice walk in FA. If Flacco had shown more consistency to this point in being able to take over games, then you can play roulette with Pierce at HB knowing Flacco can throw 30-35 times and win games consistently.

Until he does, Ozzie made the right choice. He had to make that choice.
[/quote]

I don't think Rice would of walked. I think we would of let him test the market and we would of matched whatever was reasonable or get a comp pick for him if he goes to another team.

Instead we have spend millions and 2 draft picks (yes one will be our center soon) finding a replacement at LG. None of them have the same level of talent as Grubbs. We like signing our first round picks yet we let Grubbs go when he should of been tagged and we should of let Rice gauge the market.

What is done is done though. Will be great watching Rice and Flacco struggle because that line is terrible.

[Bazooka Joe]

I guess our OL ain't old anymore.

Oher. LT
Williams. LG
Birk. C
Yanda. RG
KO. RT

Reid, Gradkowski, Boren, Harewood on the bench.


Let's play ball.

[CalvinSmoke]

calm down man. We haven't even seen them practice together yet. Mckinnie isn't gone yet, he'll be LT hes just losing the last of his weight. Many thought our CB's were gonig to be our weakness last year, and what do you know... Best secondary we've had in a decade

[Alexir]

OPTION 1

Oher. LT
Williams. LG
Birk. C
Yanda. RG
Reid RT

OPTION 2
Oher LT
Williams LG
Birk C
Howard RG
Yanda RT

[FlaccoLover928]

i like the o-line honestly, i think jah reid can really be a good right tackle oher can play left. IMO oher is probably a better left tackle the mckinnie if thats safe to say. Once k.o. hits the field i believe he will win the lg position and we will be ok.

Oher
K.O
Birk
Yanda
Reid

Sounds pretty good to me especially if reid can solidify the right tackle position then i dont have any worries.

[wayne]

On paper things don't look so good but that's ON PAPER. As far as actual gametime, could pan out to be the best unit we have had but only time will tell.

[Greatness]

The curse of Jared Gaither strikes again! I told people this would hurt us for years to come! Gaither and Oher on the ends was straight cash, yo! We'll be OK, though.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1343443404' post='1104591']
The curse of Jared Gaither strikes again! I told people this would hurt us for years to come! Gaither and Oher on the ends was straight cash, yo! We'll be OK, though.
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And we'd be doing this AGAIN. From Today:

[url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/19664736/chargers-lt-jared-gaither-qb-charlie-whitehurst-suffer-injuries"]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/19664736/chargers-lt-jared-gaither-qb-charlie-whitehurst-suffer-injuries[/url]

[quote]Gaither, a projected starter, was carted off of the field after trainers applied ice to his back. An injury report was not released, but his soreness was described as a “full body cramp,” [/quote]

That was the same back that wouldn't allow him to play for an entire season.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1343425118' post='1104434']
calm down man. We haven't even seen them practice together yet. Mckinnie isn't gone yet, he'll be LT hes just losing the last of his weight. Many thought our CB's were gonig to be our weakness last year, and what do you know... Best secondary we've had in a decade
[/quote]

I don't know what's going on with McKinnie, but do you really think the guy is missing camp and getting fined 30K a day for a few pounds? He could be apart of the team and running in the 100 degree weather to lose a few pounds.

There is something going on that none of use know right now, but I highly doubt it's a few pounds.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1343445036' post='1104609']
I don't know what's going on with McKinnie, but do you really think the guy is missing camp and getting fined 30K a day for a few pounds? He could be apart of the team and running in the 100 degree weather to lose a few pounds.

There is something going on that none of use know right now, but I highly doubt it's a few pounds.
[/quote]

Yeah, I don't know what's keeping him off the field but its definitely not his weight.

[redrum52]

I'd say even with the rookies starting it would probably be an all around improvement. The worst line we have recently had has to have been 10 when Gaither went down and we had people out of position. We got no kind push and I'm anticipating us maybe forcing some young guys into starting roles. For the most part, as bad as the offense might have been we have had a pretty damn good line throughout the franchise.

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1343445036' post='1104609']


I don't know what's going on with McKinnie, but do you really think the guy is missing camp and getting fined 30K a day for a few pounds? He could be apart of the team and running in the 100 degree weather to lose a few pounds.

There is something going on that none of use know right now, but I highly doubt it's a few pounds.
[/quote]

I think you need to pass the physical to practice and I'm not sure if he has.

[Fred Sanford]

[quote name='The King' timestamp='1343411140' post='1104191']
It was pretty terrible back there in '96 and '97[/quote]

Nawww. Tony Jones, Jon Ogden, Steve Everitt, Jeff Blackshear, Orlando Brown. Our biggest problem in the early years was the DB corps of DeRon Jenkins, Donny Brady, etc.

As for this year's line, I suspect it'll be good but not great. Bobbie Williams adds some physicality to the run game. Like most years, they'll be really good some games, not bad some games, and pretty bad some games. I just hope it's not pretty bad during the most important games, as it was for much of the AFC Championship last year.