Darrelle Revis And Lardarius Webb

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342738250' post='1100839']
I will predict this: Both Jimmy and Cary will start the game on the field together, because the Bengals will be in a 3WR set.

Those guys are gonna be like Dickson and Pitta, it won't matter where they are on the depth chart because both will play and produce a lot.
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Fair enough. That may be the case, and you are correct that the nickle corner is essentially a starter in today's NFL seeing upwards of 50 snaps a game against some teams.

My point remains that Jimmy will be the CB opposite of Webb when we only have 4 DBs on the field though.

[Tiz]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1342737478' post='1100831']

It's [b]very[/b] difficult for a CB to get DPOY - the great ones don't get thrown on often, so they don't get many INTs... Safeties like Ed get picks, playing centerfield, but great corners are avoided like the plague.

As a result, measurable stats (like sacks) are more likely to draw the voters' attention - like T Sizzle's last year. Webb can have a great season, but the only measurable indication will be passes defended, in all likelihood.
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Don't. Care.
I'd like to see Webb or ngata get dpoy.
Don't care how hard it is...

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1342735302' post='1100819']
I still remember on draft day when Mel Kiper Jr compared him to Bob Sanders.
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Except Bob is really small - I think he's thicker than Webby (for now), but I definitely think his small height and the force he played with were why Bob was always injured. I think Webb will be what Bob would have been if he could stay healthy.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342738664' post='1100844']
Fair enough. That may be the case, and you are correct that the nickle corner is essentially a starter in today's NFL seeing upwards of 50 snaps a game against some teams.

My point remains that Jimmy will be the CB opposite of Webb when we only have 4 DBs on the field though.
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Oh I agree, I was just poking fun. Jimmy will be a stud, it's just crazy that for so many years the CB position seemed to be a weakness and now, we have 3 potential shutdown guys.

Cary Williams is a starting CB in the NFL, just not quite as good as the top 2 guys in Baltimore. Sounds like a mean DB group to me.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1342739783' post='1100854']
Don't. Care.
I'd like to see Webb or ngata get dpoy.
Don't care how hard it is...
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Lol...

I'm quite certain you want them to win...

I was commenting on the unlikely probability of them winning...

[size=1]Carry on... [/size]

[Ravens Lover]

we have truly been blessed on the defensive side of the ball, with the players we've had, and more comin I think GO RAVENS

[Ravensfan23]

Don't be surprised to see Emanuel Cook shine this preseason. It's something about that guy that I like alot. I was surprised to see Rex Ryan cut him, even though he wasn't highly thought of.

He's a sure tackler, a big hitter, and could see some quality time on defense this year.

usually it's viewed as a bad thing, but I love how young this "ageing" defense is.

[K-Dog]

I have been a Webb fan since his rookie season.
he is a class act and a great player.
He IS a RAVEN.

[Tiz]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1342745799' post='1100876']


Lol...

I'm quite certain you want them to win...

I was commenting on the unlikely probability of them winning...

[size=1]Carry on... [/size]
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Dag nab it don't talk about probabilities with me. I also want 3 sb wins in the next 2 yrs...lol

[AsianRice]

I still miss football badly.......

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1342739783' post='1100854']
Don't. Care.
I'd like to see Webb or ngata get dpoy.
Don't care how hard it is...
[/quote]jesus, stubborn little turd arent you

[Dfence4champs2052]

He's going to have his work cut out for him. I know he'll be as good as last year. Pro Bowl or bust Webby! SB or bust Ravens!

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1342737478' post='1100831']
It's [b]very[/b] difficult for a CB to get DPOY - the great ones don't get thrown on often, so they don't get many INTs... Safeties like Ed get picks, playing centerfield, but great corners are avoided like the plague.

As a result, measurable stats (like sacks) are more likely to draw the voters' attention - like T Sizzle's last year. Webb can have a great season, but the only measurable indication will be passes defended, in all likelihood.
[/quote]

I get exactly what your saying but this year might be his best opportunity. With all the raving about him, teams may try to challenge him and he can make them pay. I could see that happening the first eight games or something then they start to stay away in the second half of the season because of his stern lessons lol. But you're right he'd have to be absolutely shutdown with phenomenal impact to win DPOY.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1342808713' post='1101223']
I get exactly what your saying but this year might be his best opportunity. With all the raving about him, teams may try to challenge him and he can make them pay. I could see that happening the first eight games or something then they start to stay away in the second half of the season because of his stern lessons lol. But you're right he'd have to be absolutely shutdown with phenomenal impact to win DPOY.
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Not really. Woodson won it a few years ago. Just get interceptions and not be terrible and you're well on your way to being DPOY. These days the honor tends to go to either interceptors or sack artists. Big flashy plays. Webb had 8 last year (combined reg/playoff) but 7-8 in the season alone would get him in the running. You just have to hope Allen doesn't break the sack record as well.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1342670747' post='1100514']
Love this pick, I went crazy when it happened live!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Z2o3N5GpE[/media]
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Man i remember being in a bar across a bunch of Jets fans watching this game. I caused some ruckus when this play happened and they all left after the TD. That was the best TD of that game by far.

Heres to hoping for a play-making ball hawk in Webb, and a shutdown physical CB in Jim Smith

[PurpNBlack22]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1342814336' post='1101289']

Man i remember being in a bar across a bunch of Jets fans watching this game. I caused some ruckus when this play happened and they all left after the TD. That was the best TD of that game by far.

Heres to hoping for a play-making ball hawk in Webb, and a shutdown physical CB in Jim Smith
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Agreed but dont forget Jimmy has serious ball skills just look at my sig if you dont remember what I'm talking about.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='PurpNBlack22' timestamp='1342815566' post='1101315']
Agreed but dont forget Jimmy has serious ball skills just look at my sig if you dont remember what I'm talking about.
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He sure does.

I just see Webb as more of a ball hawk, even though i know he has shutdown potential as we've seen throughout the year.
And Jim Smith's physicality and body are perfect for a player of his caliber to become a true shutdown corner (of course James can ball as well)

[scrock]

Some of the things Webb did last year reminded me of a young Ed Reed, I wouldnt trade Webb for any other CB in the league, not even Revis...he's going to be real special. If J Smith can become better than Webb? than the Ravens secondary will be beyond sick...

[sflegend89]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1342822957' post='1101367']
Some of the things Webb did last year reminded me of a young Ed Reed, [b][u]I wouldnt trade Webb for any other CB in the league, not even Revis[/u]...[/b]he's going to be real special. If J Smith can become better than Webb? than the Ravens secondary will be beyond sick...
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I 100% agree, Webb really has a chance to be a special player that football fans in general will remember for a long time

[rlh445]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1342702531' post='1100571']
I personaly think Revis is overated. I always have. He is a phenominal athlete and a great corner, but watch him play. He is ALWAYS manhandling a reciever and commiting PI/Ilegal use of hands, yet never gets called for it. I forget the game last year where he gets a pick in the red zone, after literaly pushing the reciver off of his route. Why he gets away with it, I have no idea. But he is not a clean shutdown corner. He was also a product of a good pass rush, and you can see his drop off in production last year is a result of not having the PR to help him.
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Ahhh, I agree and I guess I don't. I mean, the fact that he's a blatant man-handler and yet 'gets away with it' is what MAKES him an elite corner. It's kinda like Michael Irvin..great athlete, nose for just the right seam and all that..but when it comes down to it all that guy did was push off like a mother. So what, he caught a lot of balls and scored a lot of touchdowns, that's what made him great. Revis can go step for step with almost every receiver out there, maneuver his body in the right position and play handsies with a guy and never get caught. His whole game is based around that..but once again, that's why he's so heralded. So yes, I agree with your sentiment that he's a dirty [profanity deleted], but I also have to say that's what makes him great....and why I hate him.

[Tiz]

Thing I like about Webb is his quickness and fluidity. With that even being out of position he can close the gap.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1342662639' post='1100456']
Will be the 2 names that go hand in hand with the phrase "Best CB in Football" by the end of next season. That's how confident I am in the way Webb is playing right now. People outside Baltimore have been sleeping on Webb for FAR TOO LONG! This is the year he finally get's recognized as an "elite" CB. We are blessed as fans to have this young man on our team, Webb is about to become a premier defender and add to the list of Ravens greats on D.

The scariest part is we haven't even seen him at his best yet, expect a dominant 2012-2013 campaign from Mr. Webb. It's safe to say our FO struck gold yet again.


Lewis, Reed, Suggs, Ngata, AND WEBB. How crazy would it be to have 5 HOF'ers play on the same D. It's actually possible if you ask me.


Lewis: Lock

Reed: Lock

Suggs: Probable

Ngata: Probable

Webb: Don't miss a game!
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Personally, i think Webb is better than Revis.

Thee only difference between the two is REVIS gets away with holding ALL THE TIME. Oh and Webb wasn't scored on once last yr. Its unreal how no one outside of Baltimore knows about him.

[PeRK82]

Any one else dumbfounded that WEBB wasn't in the top 100.

[PurpleCorsair]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342735799' post='1100822']
Cary got torched in that game too. Jimmy has way more potential than Cary does and he really showed some flashes last season. I cant wait to see what they both can do this year.

I will predict this: Jimmy will be the starting CB opposite of Webb come week 1.
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People... Jimmy was a true rookie, and Cary had [i]never[/i] started before. With a full off-season there's good reason to expect that Cary and Jimmy improve at least a little, if not drastically.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1342895348' post='1101573']
Personally, i think Webb is better than Revis.

Thee only difference between the two is REVIS gets away with holding ALL THE TIME. Oh and Webb wasn't scored on once last yr. Its unreal how no one outside of Baltimore knows about him.
[/quote]You need more than one very good season to be better than Revis. Same way newton isnt better than flacco after one season

[PeRK82]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1342895573' post='1101576']
You need more than one very good season to be better than Revis. Same way newton isnt better than flacco after one season
[/quote]

Webbs been making plays since his rookie yr. I don't see Revis returning kicks either. Plus Webb never played Corner before coming into the N.F.L. He played Safety.

[Gordo52]

I'm sorry but I would take Revis over any CB/DB in the league, any day. (Even with him potentially holding out,.)

Can Webb someday be #1? Yes. But right now Revis holds the throne. No question.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1342895692' post='1101577']


Webbs been making plays since his rookie yr. I don't see Revis returning kicks either. Plus Webb never played Corner before coming into the N.F.L. He played Safety.
[/quote]while he was making plays he was no where near the level he was at last year. He played arguably better than revis last year, like newton was arguably better than Joe last year. But you can't crown either of them until they do it a second year then a third and 4th like revis and flacco

[PurpleCityLights]

Be carefull what you wish for,most of y'll didnt want to pay rice so do you know how much it would cost to keep him if he becomes a #1C....

[PeRK82]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1342897162' post='1101582']
while he was making plays he was no where near the level he was at last year. He played arguably better than revis last year, like newton was arguably better than Joe last year. But you can't crown either of them until they do it a second year then a third and 4th like revis and flacco
[/quote]

Man i gotta disagree with Newton, I watched a few games of the Panthers and all he did was throw a deep ball and let Smith jump up and catch it. No denying he is very elusive though. Everyone keeps saying Flacco had a not so great yr compared to yrs past but i think thats total b.s, look at how many balls our WRers dropped that were on the money. Had those Wrers caught half of the one they dropped, everyone would be saying Flacco is in the top teirs of of QBs.

The only thing that bothers me that i wish Flacco was better at (which is has gotten better ) is his Pocket awareness.
Call it a gut feeling but i really feel Newton will have a serious slump this yr. I would go as so far as betting on it.

Oh and Webb for the most part has been playing great from day one of his football career, he has only gotten better. Like i said before, Webb can't get away with holding WRers like Revis did/does, it makes me sick when you watch him literally hug the guy he is receiving. The one thing that i have noticed that Webb has gotten better at is being more physical and tackling better.

I think Revis would just be an Average CB if he was playing back in the 70s and 80s when it wasn't considered a foul.