New Ravens With 3.381 Million Cap Space?

[CalvinSmoke]

Eventually some of thesee guys will have to walk. If L-Webb and Jimmy are truely our CB's of the future, than Carey will eventually leave. If Gorrer shows too much promise he will get inticed to leave. Etc, and those guys will most likely go to the Jets lol, they love our Defensive players. And the Saints always swoop our O-lineman... smh atleast we are finally poaching teams (Vikes lineman, Texans players)

[rmw10]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1342565279' post='1099816']
These recent strong drafts have helped in our cap situation. Look at how many guys on the current roster still on rookie contracts. We've gotten immediate or fast return from

McPhee
Flacco
Kruger (after initially headed to bustville).
Pitts
Dickson
Torrey Smith
Oher
Jimmy Smith
Morgan Cox
T. Cody
Upshaw

Rice, Ngata, McClain and Yanda recently got new deals but are all draftees.

Then we have promising kids such as Kindle, Gorrer, Bryan Hall, Boren. and those in this draft class. Even the udfas.

When you draft as well as we have the past five years it really helps with cap management.
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The good thing is, once a lot of these guys are due for new deals, we'll have money coming off the books from guys like Ray, Ed, Boldin, etc. Then, once these guys get their deals, we'll have more rookies in to take their spots. The Ravens are clearly one of the best teams at re-tooling rather than rebuilding.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342564404' post='1099808']
If Cary has another solid year than a 3 year 10M deal would make sense, but he is coming off an injury and like you said there is no guarantee he will even be the nickel back this season. He should be based off last years performance, but maybe a young guy does step up instead.

Dickson and Pitta will both be 2nd round tenders most likely based off their play so far, could be more or less but thats roughly 3M in cap space. Then there is Kruger who I think the Ravens would like to keep...thats probably 4-5M a year which also could be more if he has a huge season. I dont know how they and Cary all get paid, and Cary would the least important of those players imo.
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I think the fact that the Ravens were willing to talk shop with Cary right after Webb got his deal, says that they feel confident he'll recover well. Remember, he played most of last season with that injury, so he's at least proven he will battle through injury. I think I can agree with you, that it would be best to let Cary play this year out and see what we have in him. Or atleast mid-season.

Kruger had 5.5 sacks last season, unless he has a Suggs type DPOY season, he'll be nothing more then a 1st year starter with potential going forward. I don't see a huge market for him. I could see a 4yr 15M deal for Kruger. That's a little under 4M per. So we're on the same page there.

As for Dickson and Pitta, I agree, I think it'll be more like 4M in cap space. However you have a guy in Jacoby Jones who's due 4.9M next season and he probably won't be here. I know all of that 4.9M won't be saved, but a good portion of it will.

[K-Dog]

Ozzie likes to grab some one after all the cuts at the beginning of the season. See who floats to the top then.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342567043' post='1099827']


I think the fact that the Ravens were willing to talk shop with Cary right after Webb got his deal, says that they feel confident he'll recover well. Remember, he played most of last season with that injury, so he's at least proven he will battle through injury. I think I can agree with you, that it would be best to let Cary play this year out and see what we have in him. Or atleast mid-season.

Kruger had 5.5 sacks last season, unless he has a Suggs type DPOY season, he'll be nothing more then a 1st year starter with potential going forward. I don't see a huge market for him. I could see a 4yr 15M deal for Kruger. That's a little under 4M per. So we're on the same page there.

As for Dickson and Pitta, I agree, I think it'll be more like 4M in cap space. However you have a guy in Jacoby Jones who's due 4.9M next season and he probably won't be here. I know all of that 4.9M won't be saved, but a good portion of it will.
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I didnt factor Jacoby in, but even if he is cut we are on the hook for 900k. If he is kept on than that 4M salary takes up a lot more room than the 700k he is making this year.

Its certainly possible guys like Reed, Ray, and Birk retire if we win it all and that would certainly free up some cap room as well.

Flacco's contract will eat up a lot more space and i think Webb will be making a big chunk next season too.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342568948' post='1099852']
I didnt factor Jacoby in, but even if he is cut we are on the hook for 900k. If he is kept on than that 4M salary takes up a lot more room than the 700k he is making this year.

Its certainly possible guys like Reed, Ray, and Birk retire if we win it all and that would certainly free up some cap room as well.

Flacco's contract will eat up a lot more space and i think Webb will be making a big chunk next season too.
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I just think the Ravens won't commit to a good amount of contracts next year.

B. Williams 1.6M
J. Jones 4.9M
B. Cundiff 2.9M(might even be cut this year)
M. Birk 3.4M
A. Boldin 6M(definitely could stay)

That's like 19.8M and I think I read were we'll be 15M under the cap heading into next season. Again I don't know exactly how the cap works, but if we can add that 19.8M to the projected 15M next season. Thats about 34M. Now how much of that is dead money and all, I don't know, but if the Ravens are anywhere in the 20M+ area, I'd say we're in great shape.

I think we had like 4M+ this year entering the offseason. We were still able to re-sign Birk, give Rice, Webb, and Pollard extension, and sign Bobbie Williams and Jacoby Jones. So if we can did all that with 4M, if we have around 20M, I wouldn't worry about being able to pay the guys we actually want to pay.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342568948' post='1099852']
Flacco's contract will eat up a lot more space and i think Webb will be making a big chunk next season too.
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The Ravens have a way of hammering out some really good deals that both take care of the player and the cap.

Webb is scheduled to make about 5.6M next season. It's not until 2014 that he starts to make 10M+ per year. Ray Rice is gonna be at about 5.7M next season. So those are pretty good numbers, considering both guys signed big contracts. Yanda will make about 6.5, it'll be Ngata and Suggs who get big money next year with 9M and 11M respectively.

So I think the Ravens are in pretty good shape, and as I mentioned above, we can and probably will cut some guys to free up even more space. We have a pretty young team with a lot of guys still playing on their rookie deals. I think that helps when you consider the big contracts of Ngata, Suggs, Rice, Flacco, Webb and Reed. Those are the only guys who'll get big time deals for the next 3-5 years imo.

Oher will be our future LT, but I don't see him getting big LT money. Probably like 5yrs 30M or something. Can't see neither Dickson or Pitta getting highest paid TE money. Torrey and Jimmy aren't up until 2015, Cody won't get big money and after that who's left?

[da#1ravensfan]

Sign Dennis Pitta, Cary Williams or Paul Kruger towards another contract. I believe all of them are in the last year of their deals. One of them could have a breakout season and it could possibly save us money in the future.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342573899' post='1099873']


The Ravens have a way of hammering out some really good deals that both take care of the player and the cap.

Webb is scheduled to make about 5.6M next season. It's not until 2014 that he starts to make 10M+ per year. Ray Rice is gonna be at about 5.7M next season. So those are pretty good numbers, considering both guys signed big contracts. Yanda will make about 6.5, it'll be Ngata and Suggs who get big money next year with 9M and 11M respectively.

So I think the Ravens are in pretty good shape, and as I mentioned above, we can and probably will cut some guys to free up even more space. We have a pretty young team with a lot of guys still playing on their rookie deals. I think that helps when you consider the big contracts of Ngata, Suggs, Rice, Flacco, Webb and Reed. Those are the only guys who'll get big time deals for the next 3-5 years imo.

Oher will be our future LT, but I don't see him getting big LT money. Probably like 5yrs 30M or something. Can't see neither Dickson or Pitta getting highest paid TE money. Torrey and Jimmy aren't up until 2015, Cody won't get big money and after that who's left?
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You pretty much summed it up. Torrey, Reid (i think he will stick), and McPhee will all be 2014. Those are the only guys who should command largish contracts. Its always possible someone else breaks out but we are in relatively good position. Next year is where i forsee it possibly being tight.

[Alexir]

Did I just read someone state Flacco should make around 17 mil a year?


Back to the off topic threads...

[Kevin Mullins]

1. I think it's most important that we lock up Joe Flacco to a longer term contract and secure our offensive cornerstones just as we have done with our defensive guys. I personally would prefer a 4 or 5 year deal with Joe instead of the seemingly prototypical 7 that seems to be given to quarterbacks.

2. I'd like to see us work out a 3 year deal with Ed Reed so that we have nothing but smiles coming from the future HOF.

3. I'd like to see us monitor the defensive end/outside linebacker situation as camp develops and see if any camp cuts fall our direction in order to improve our pass rush and ensure we can get to the QB.

4. Possibly re-work the contract of recently signed Jacoby Jones to better balance salary costs over the next two seasons. I think he will be an excellent punt/kick returner that will protect Webb from unneeded hits...and I'm ok with paying for this skill set...but let's balance out the costs so next year we aren't strapped for almost 5 mil.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342577653' post='1099899']
You pretty much summed it up. Torrey, Reid (i think he will stick), and McPhee will all be 2014. Those are the only guys who should command largish contracts. Its always possible someone else breaks out but we are in relatively good position. Next year is where i forsee it possibly being tight.
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I'm not sure how accurate my source is, but [url="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/"]sportrac[/url] has a list of all the Ravens contracts and it has, Torrey, Reid and McPhee, all being up in 2015. So after the 2014 season, we'll have Jimmy, Torrey, Suggs, McClain, Reid, Doss, McPhee, Ch Brown, Taylor and Allen

That list doesn't seem too bad now, but what if guys like Jimmy, Torrey, Reid, Doss and Mcphee all prove to be valuable starters by that time and Suggs is still productive at 32 years old, the 2015 offseason could be a tough one for the Ravens.

Good thing that TV Revenue money kicks in around 2015, could the Ravens could be passing out a lot of money around that time.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1342578232' post='1099907']
Did I just read someone state Flacco should make around 17 mil a year?


Back to the off topic threads...
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You may have read my post, I said between 16-17 mil a year. What's the issue?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342580387' post='1099921']
I'm not sure how accurate my source is, but [url="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/"]sportrac[/url] has a list of all the Ravens contracts and it has, Torrey, Reid and McPhee, all being up in 2015. So after the 2014 season, we'll have Jimmy, Torrey, Suggs, McClain, Reid, Doss, McPhee, Ch Brown, Taylor and Allen

That list doesn't seem too bad now, but what if guys like Jimmy, Torrey, Reid, Doss and Mcphee all prove to be valuable starters by that time and Suggs is still productive at 32 years old, the 2015 offseason could be a tough one for the Ravens.

Good thing that TV Revenue money kicks in around 2015, could the Ravens could be passing out a lot of money around that time.
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Yeah you are right. I was thinking Jimmy was on a 5 year contract, but he only signed for 4 years under the new CBA. As for the future salary cap increases, there are some conflicting reports as to when they will kick in and how large of a spike there will be.

Suggs will be in an interesting spot. Those second big contracts are always tricky. Players are at the end of their careers and looking for one last pay-day and in the case of some of our stars, they are still deserving. I think for Sizzle it will be a wait and see how he looks after this achilles injury. It's possible he will never have the same explosiveness, which is really unfortuante considering how talented a player he is. I'd still like to see him retire a Raven as he has been one of the best Linebackers our team has ever seen.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342580708' post='1099923']
You may have read my post, I said between 16-17 mil a year. What's the issue?
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I think that is a higher number than a lot of fans consider to be reasonable. Let's just hope we dont have to Franchise Joe. Ideally the two sides can come to an arrangement now or during the season so his price doesnt increase after we win the Super Bowl

[usmccharles]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342580387' post='1099921']
I'm not sure how accurate my source is, but [url="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/"]sportrac[/url] has a list of all the Ravens contracts and it has, Torrey, Reid and McPhee, all being up in 2015. So after the 2014 season, we'll have Jimmy, Torrey, Suggs, McClain, Reid, Doss, McPhee, Ch Brown, Taylor and Allen

That list doesn't seem too bad now, but what if guys like Jimmy, Torrey, Reid, Doss and Mcphee all prove to be valuable starters by that time and Suggs is still productive at 32 years old, the 2015 offseason could be a tough one for the Ravens.

Good thing that TV Revenue money kicks in around 2015, could the Ravens could be passing out a lot of money around that time.
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True, but dont you think our FO has realized this and will get extentions done before that?

[Yum Chickens]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1342591905' post='1099958']
True, but dont you think our FO has realized this and will get extentions done before that?
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My thoughts exactly, just look at Pollard. Btw so happy we got him extended.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1342591905' post='1099958']
True, but dont you think our FO has realized this and will get extentions done before that?
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Oh i'm not saying it as a bad thing, it'll actually mean the team is highly successful which is good. I was just basically showcasing the talent we have that could be in line for deal at the same time.

Also the sad reality is, we won't be able to keep everybody. But as I said before, the Ravens do a masterful job of taken care of the players we really want as well as handling the cap.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342591108' post='1099956']
I think that is a higher number than a lot of fans consider to be reasonable. Let's just hope we dont have to Franchise Joe. Ideally the two sides can come to an arrangement now or during the season so his price doesnt increase after we win the Super Bowl
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Fans don't think it's reasonable, but the Ravens are trying to keep him at around 15 mil per and I'm sure the holdup is because Joe's people are thinking atleast 16 Mil per.

Like I said before, you look at the deals that Ben, Eli and Rivers signed back in 09 and I think that's a good starting point. Each one of those guys reach a deal after year 5th and numbers wise Flacco is on par if not better then those guys after only 4 years.

Us fans debate numbers alot, but when you are talking contract, numbers and wins are really what matter. Each one of those guys recieved 6-7yrs 14-17 Mil per year deals. The difference between their deal imo was the Super Bowl win.

Ben had 2 and got 17M per
Eli had 1 and got 16M per
Rivers had O and got 14M per.

Add those deals to the inflated natural of the QB position and it's easy to see Flacco possibly getting 16M per in my eyes, maybe even 17.5 with a Super Bowl win.

[Played]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342590972' post='1099955']
Yeah you are right. I was thinking Jimmy was on a 5 year contract, but he only signed for 4 years under the new CBA. As for the future salary cap increases, there are some conflicting reports as to when they will kick in and how large of a spike there will be.

Suggs will be in an interesting spot. Those second big contracts are always tricky. Players are at the end of their careers and looking for one last pay-day and in the case of some of our stars, they are still deserving. I think for Sizzle it will be a wait and see how he looks after this achilles injury. It's possible he will never have the same explosiveness, which is really unfortuante considering how talented a player he is. I'd still like to see him retire a Raven as he has been one of the best Linebackers our team has ever seen.
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As of now this is how the upcomming years look for the team

[b]2013 Free Agents[/b]
Joe Flacco
Ed Reed
Cary Williams
Paul Kruger
Bryant McKinnie
Sean Considine
Dannell Ellerbe
Ryan McBean
Maake Kemoeatu
Tony Wragge
Curtis Painter
[b]Restricted Free Agents[/b]
Ed Dickson
Dennis Pitta
LaQuan Williams
Arthur Jones
Danny Gorrer
Ramon Harewood
Emanuel Cook
Morgan Cox
David Reed
[b]Exclusive Rights Free Agent[/b]
Albert McClellan
Sergio Kindle
Josh Bynes

[b]2014 Free Agent[/b]s
Michael Oher
Terrence Cody
Anquan Boldin
Bobbie Williams
Vonta Leach
Corey Graham
Jacoby Jones
[b]Restricted Free Agent[/b]
Michael McAdoo

[b]2015 Free Agents[/b]
Torrey Smith
Jimmy Smith
Jameel McClain
Pernell McPhee
Terrell Suggs
Tandon Doss
Jah Reid
Chykie Brown
Anthony Allen
Brendon Ayanbadejo
Matt Birk
Tyrod Taylor

[b]2016 Free Agents[/b]
Haloti Ngata
Courtney Upshaw
Marshal Yanda
Sam Koch
Christian Thompson
Tommy Streeter
Gino Gradkowski
Bernard Pierce
Bernard Pierce
Bernard Pollard
Kelechi Osemele
Billy Cundiff
DeAngelo Tyson
Asa Jackson
Ray Lewis

[b]2018 Free Agents[/b]
Lardarius Webb
Ray Rice

[Bazooka Joe]

This is Kindle's third season. Should be a RFA after this season.

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342619875' post='1100011']


Fans don't think it's reasonable, but the Ravens are trying to keep him at around 15 mil per and I'm sure the holdup is because Joe's people are thinking atleast 16 Mil per.

Like I said before, you look at the deals that Ben, Eli and Rivers signed back in 09 and I think that's a good starting point. Each one of those guys reach a deal after year 5th and numbers wise Flacco is on par if not better then those guys after only 4 years.

Us fans debate numbers alot, but when you are talking contract, numbers and wins are really what matter. Each one of those guys recieved 6-7yrs 14-17 Mil per year deals. The difference between their deal imo was the Super Bowl win.

Ben had 2 and got 17M per
Eli had 1 and got 16M per
Rivers had O and got 14M per.

Add those deals to the inflated natural of the QB position and it's easy to see Flacco possibly getting 16M per in my eyes, maybe even 17.5 with a Super Bowl win.
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Brees has 1 ring and now gets $20 per.
Petting Manning gets how much per year? And how many rings does he have?

One can't keep making these arguments based on the number of rings alone. It's ridiculous.

Besides many would argue that Ben's first ring and Eli's first were aided by strong defense and support around them. You know the same arguments brought up to discredit Flacco's impact as a QB.

I think Flacco should again get 15 per for seven years. The Guy is a winner and wouldve been in position for at least two rings by now had it not been for WR drops and a missed FG.

[rmw10]

[quote name='Played' timestamp='1342620229' post='1100014']


As of now this is how the upcomming years look for the team

[b]2013 Free Agents[/b]
Joe Flacco
Ed Reed
Cary Williams
Paul Kruger
Bryant McKinnie
Sean Considine
Dannell Ellerbe
Ryan McBean
Maake Kemoeatu
Tony Wragge
Curtis Painter
[b]Restricted Free Agents[/b]
Ed Dickson
Dennis Pitta
LaQuan Williams
Arthur Jones
Danny Gorrer
Ramon Harewood
Emanuel Cook
Morgan Cox
David Reed
[b]Exclusive Rights Free Agent[/b]
Albert McClellan
Sergio Kindle
Josh Bynes

[b]2014 Free Agent[/b]s
Michael Oher
Terrence Cody
Anquan Boldin
Bobbie Williams
Vonta Leach
Corey Graham
Jacoby Jones
[b]Restricted Free Agent[/b]
Michael McAdoo

[b]2015 Free Agents[/b]
Torrey Smith
Jimmy Smith
Jameel McClain
Pernell McPhee
Terrell Suggs
Tandon Doss
Jah Reid
Chykie Brown
Anthony Allen
Brendon Ayanbadejo
Matt Birk
Tyrod Taylor

[b]2016 Free Agents[/b]
Haloti Ngata
Courtney Upshaw
Marshal Yanda
Sam Koch
Christian Thompson
Tommy Streeter
Gino Gradkowski
Bernard Pierce
Bernard Pierce
Bernard Pollard
Kelechi Osemele
Billy Cundiff
DeAngelo Tyson
Asa Jackson
Ray Lewis

[b]2018 Free Agents[/b]
Lardarius Webb
Ray Rice
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2015 and 2016 do not look like fun to lock up. The next couple of years don't look too bad though.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1342623890' post='1100041']


Brees has 1 ring and now gets $20 per.
Petting Manning gets how much per year? And how many rings does he have?

One can't keep making these arguments based on the number of rings alone. It's ridiculous.

Besides many would argue that Ben's first ring and Eli's first were aided by strong defense and support around them. You know the same arguments brought up to discredit Flacco's impact as a QB.

I think Flacco should again get 15 per for seven years. The Guy is a winner and wouldve been in position for at least two rings by now had it not been for WR drops and a missed FG.
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"Petting manning".. Gotta love that autocorrect

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1342623890' post='1100041']
Brees has 1 ring and now gets $20 per.
Petting Manning gets how much per year? And how many rings does he have?

One can't keep making these arguments based on the number of rings alone. It's ridiculous.

Besides many would argue that Ben's first ring and Eli's first were aided by strong defense and support around them. You know the same arguments brought up to discredit Flacco's impact as a QB.

I think Flacco should again get 15 per for seven years. The Guy is a winner and wouldve been in position for at least two rings by now had it not been for WR drops and a missed FG.
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It's not just the Super Bowl win, I said the different between the number in those 3 contracts were the Super Bowls imo. Which was why Philp Rivers only at 14 opposed to 15 or 17 like Eli and Ben.

You have to be objective when slotting these guys come contract time. You can't slot Flacco with Brees and Peyton right now. At this point in their careers 2012 both guys are viewed as elite regradless of SB rings.

At this point in Flacco's career, it's debatable where is stands, but his numbers put him on par with second teir guys like Ben, Eli, and Rivers. Seeing as how those are the last guys to really get Franchise QB money facing the same situation as Flacoo, entering his 5th year, closing out his rookie deal, it makes sense to use those contracts as guidlines. imo.

Flacco very well might get 15M per, however, based off where he is in his career, his numbers compared to those 3 guys, the inflation of contract numbers we see every year, and that fact that Flacco very well could lead the Ravens to a SB this year, It's not hard for me to see the Ravens giving Flacco 16M per year. But that's just my opinion.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342548194' post='1099686']
[b]I think Ed Reed gets his money during the offseason.[/b] [b]He'll flirt with the market, much like Ray Lewis did, but ultimately end up back in Baltimore.[/b][/quote]

I wouldn't be quite sure about that. While that would be a realistic possibility, a certain Coach that beat us in the AFC Title game gushed over Ed Reed like a little school girl and I think if we let Ed test the market, it's either he becomes a Patriot or stays in Baltimore. BB will do anything to try to get Reed on the Pats defense, and again the way he gushed over him in that documentary on NFL Network, we need to lock up Reed and get it over with so nobody has a chance to get him.

[codizzle]

"75% chance Flacco gets extension before camp"

http://t.co/w5zKUo5V

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1342627144' post='1100071']
I wouldn't be quite sure about that. While that would be a realistic possibility, a certain Coach that beat us in the AFC Title game gushed over Ed Reed like a little school girl and I think if we let Ed test the market, it's either he becomes a Patriot or stays in Baltimore. BB will do anything to try to get Reed on the Pats defense, and again the way he gushed over him in that documentary on NFL Network, we need to lock up Reed and get it over with so nobody has a chance to get him.
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That's definitely a possible risk in allowing Ed Reed to test the Market, but I don't see it materializing or maybe I just hope it doesn't. I'm sure the Pats would love Ed, but the it's not really their style to give aging stars big money.

The only way I see Ed going to the Pats is if the Ravens just flat out low ball him and I don't see that happening.

I also think that this offseason hasn't done much to show Ed's truest intentions and that's to cement his legacy in a Baltimore Ravens uniform. I don't think Ed wants to leave.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1342628438' post='1100090']
"75% chance Flacco gets extension before camp"

[url="http://t.co/w5zKUo5V"]http://t.co/w5zKUo5V[/url]
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That would be great news, if the same people weren't saying that it was a 25% chance that Ray Rice got signed just days ago.

However Daniel Jeremiah was apart of the Ravens organization at one point, and I'm sure he still has some connections. So maybe he's on to something.

[Corvus]

There aren't really any pass rushing linebackers or "tweeners" out there I can think of we should bring in, as that is the only area where I think we could use another guy (with only Upshaw, Kruger, McClellan, and Kindle as really the only guys in that role on the roster other than Sizzle). Otherwise, we'd be smart to save the cap space towards next season. I could see Joe possibly signing an extension in season but I doubt anything happens for now on that front.