Money Talks: Ed Reed Contract Extension

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='B-more Ravor' timestamp='1342552590' post='1099726']
A good read on Reed from Jason LaCanfora:

[url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/19602320/love-of-the-game-will-keep-ravens-reed-coming-back-not-holding-out"]http://www.cbssports...not-holding-out[/url]
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great find man. I think that article put everything into focus on what all this offseason stuff is about. There was an interview with Reed that had no dodging of questions, no comeback to fans, nothing but what seemed to be honest emotions from Ed Reed. I wish I could have heard or seen that interview.

The Ravens offered a multi-year deal just shy of 8 Mil per year, prior to the 2011 season opener. So much for the Ravens not having any intentions of signing Ed Reed.

Also I recently said that 7M per year might be what Ed Reed would make, sounds like to get Reed re-signed, the Ravens will have to front load a lot of money.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1342554798' post='1099747']
Beat me to it.

I think the Front Office is staying mum because they know Ed Reed will be there comes Business time. It basically like a player on the PUP where they can't join with the team for practice. So I think Front Office is willing to give Ed Reed the offseason to himself. Reed will collect his paycheck comes gametime.
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This is what i've said to fans that say, the FO is tired of Ed Reed. I just don't see it that way, it could be but I don't see it. I think the Ravens no that Ed Reed is a guy who speaks his mind and sometimes people might not like what they hear. Will Ed Reed be right about everything? No, but regardless he'll say what's on his mind.

Then once the season starts, you rarely hear anything but TEAM from Ed Reed.

[GrimCoconut]

I really believe we re-sign Ed Reed next year. I don't think it happens this year. I see our next priority as Flacco, then after him it will be Reed. I think we extend Flacco to a multi-year deal longer than 5 years and we wait and negotiate with Reed after the season. I see Reed being hit with the tag next year but at the end of the day remaining a Raven. He has unfinished business and I believe he retires wearing our colors.

As Ravensfan23 said, Boldin could be cut and so could Cundiff. Don't forget about Carr's couple million going to the cap because I don't think we used it this year. McKinnie comes off the books next year, too.

The bottom-line is we can make room. We will sign Ed Reed and he will retire a Raven. I believe that 100%. Yeah, his media stuff gets old but I don't care. Any of us could do the same thing in his situation. All I know is, I expect him to play this year.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342496517' post='1099363']
I think this whole Ed Reed thing is getting way out of hand and has been blown up way bigger then it really is. If you go back to the April 4th Interview, that's when Ed talked about the lack of respect, but he in no way bashed the organization. Yet many fans see his feeling disrespected as firing shots at the organization. Imo that's not the case at all.

In that interview, Ed talked about how he and the Ravens have discussed a contract extension, how it'd help the team in the long run and how he's not looking to break the bank. He talked about how he's heard talk from certain indviduals withing the organization, basically talking behind his back.

He talked about how greats like Montana, Rice and Manning were cut from teams they should have finished their careers with. Listening to that interview, and this recent interview, I strongly think Ed sees himself in the shoe's of those great players who were forced out of their respective cities.

I think Ed feels he's still the best safety in the NFL, but doesn't necessarily want to be paid like it, however he does want to be valued by the Ravens. I think the Ravens offered him a contract that was more of a reflection of the injury prone, retirement flirting Ed Reed, rather then the player that still greatly impacts our secondary and defense as a whole.

I think it was a situation where the Ravens offered Ed the option of a small extension now, something like Mark Shancez OR the playing out his remaining years, to prove he's still the Ed Reed we know and love, then he'll get his new deal.

I think Ed Reed feels, what he's done in past years, 8Ints in 10 games, the defense not forcing TO while he was out, and his impact on the Texans playoff game last year, are more then enough reasons for the Ravens to offer him the deal now, however the Ravens have to protect the franchise and make a good investment.

I think that's where all the disrespect and having a problem with the business is coming from with Ed. Even though it's a despute between he and the Ravens organization, I don't think he has a issue with the Ravens, it's just the nature of the business. Ed Reed wants to retire a Baltimore Ravens, but he doesn't want a Derrick Mason type offer to stay either.

I think something like 4yrs 30M with 15M guaranteed over 2yrs is what Ed will get. It'd be a front loaded contract, so his deal wouldn't hurt us down the road. That would keep Ed Reed among the highest paid safeties over the first 2 year(7+Mil), but not kill the Ravens in the long haul.
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I think you start every paragraph with I think lol

I do agree with your sentiment here. My issue is just that Ed is not the most thoughtful of personalities. He says a log of things that can be misread or misinterpreted. I wish he just had a better filter.

I have faith that Ed will be in a Ravens uniform this season. Maybe im just optimistic but I cant see him turning his back on his team because he hasnt gotten a contract extension. Id like to see him get extended as well as long as its reasonable and not too much guaranteed monry.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342561630' post='1099793']
I think you start every paragraph with I think lol

I do agree with your sentiment here. My issue is just that Ed is not the most thoughtful of personalities. He says a log of things that can be misread or misinterpreted. I wish he just had a better filter.

I have faith that Ed will be in a Ravens uniform this season. Maybe im just optimistic but I cant see him turning his back on his team because he hasnt gotten a contract extension. Id like to see him get extended as well as long as its reasonable and not too much guaranteed monry.
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lol, recently I've felt the need to say I think and I believe alot, because so many people want to accuse me of projecting my feeling onto the Ravens and/or Ed seen all this stuff happened.

So to avoid it, i say, I think so noone can say, well how do you know what Ed Reed is thinking.

[Ed_Reed20]

Some relatively encouraging news:

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Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports reports Ed Reed turned down a multi-year offer from the Ravens two days before the 2011 season opener.

Reed predictably balked at the proposed average annual salary below the likes of Eric Weddle and Michael Huff. Although Reed has given mixed signals on his training camp intentions and football future, "those who know him best" are confident that he won't be a distraction this season. "Everyone is talking about a holdout," said one of Reed's close family members. "Ed isn't going to hold out. He told me he isn't going to hold out. He speaks his mind about some things, gets some things off his chest, but he's never said he is going to hold out. He'll show up when he has to be there and he'll play out his contract."

[url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/19602320/love-of-the-game-will-keep-ravens-reed-coming-back-not-holding-out/rss"]Link to full article (worth reading)[/url]
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[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1342567969' post='1099845']
Some relatively encouraging news:
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I was just about to post that article. It definitely sheds a little bit more light on the situation and it does sound encouraging. I never thought Ed would hold out. Lets hope his family member is right.

[mhead66]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342568189' post='1099849']
I was just about to post that article. It definitely sheds a little bit more light on the situation and it does sound encouraging. I never thought Ed would hold out. Lets hope his family member is right.
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What bothers me about Reed is that he continuously pleads his case in the media - he's going to retire, he's not "respected", etc. I'm certain Ray Rice was [b]very[/b] concerned about his financial situation, especially because the NFL trend toward RBs has been devaluing the position - just ask Cedric Benson about that. However, Rice never made any "hints" about leaving the Ravens, never publicly expressed his frustration... despite the fact that he had no contract. Ed has a contract, and he's unhappy... publicly. And Ed missed the [b]mandatory[/b] mini-camp. That's not a HOF, veteran move.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1342567969' post='1099845']
Some relatively encouraging news:
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So he wants more money but yet turned down a multi-year offer that would have gave him more money? Ok first off, Michael Huff is over paid at his 4/year $32 Million contract, second Reed's level of play has fallen off and isn't anywhere near the type of play that would warrant him a contract close to Huff or Weddle.

[wayne]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1342574871' post='1099879']


So he wants more money but yet turned down a multi-year offer that would have gave him more money? Ok first off, Michael Huff is over paid at his 4/year $32 Million contract, second Reed's level of play has fallen off and isn't anywhere near the type of play that would warrant him a contract close to Huff or Weddle.
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So you would take Huff and Weddle from a standpoint of talent over Reed right now? Also, yea, Reed play has fallen off but he was already on a level way above everyone else so he can afford to fall of a little, same with Ray Lewis or any player that was great in the league. I would still take him over any FS in the league right now b/c he brings major intangibles to the team. He still has decent speed to play the Cover 1 and his awareness is still off the charts and his tackling has took a nose dive but that's the least of my concerns for a FS, maning the seams and striking fear in QBs with having them hold on to the ball a extra second or two getting a sack out the deal is way more important to me.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1342574871' post='1099879']
So he wants more money but yet turned down a multi-year offer that would have gave him more money? Ok first off, Michael Huff is over paid at his 4/year $32 Million contract, second Reed's level of play has fallen off and isn't anywhere near the type of play that would warrant him a contract close to Huff or Weddle.
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I know the new cool thing to do is, to flame Ed Reed and show reasons why he shouldn't be re-signed but please tell me you aren't being serious with this post.

Let me make sure I fully understand you. Are you saying that Ed Reed doesn't play to the level of Huff or Weddle, or are you saying that both guys are over-paid, so even though Ed Reed is better then them, his play doesn't match their contracts because they're over-paid?

[H8R]

How often do the Ravens extend players in the twilight of their careers? ESPECIALLY an early extension? Ed is really digging himself a hole. I wouldn't dare give him an extension if I'm a GM. He's trying to get a signing bonus.... I wouldn't be surprised if he retired as soon as next year.. even with an extension and no ring. I don't trust him....

[PurpleReign92]

Forget about Special teams all the returning and interceptions and all that...
Ed Reed is a big part of the defensive puzzle we have in place and we need him aboard our defense if we want to build and move forward..

[JO_75]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1342576253' post='1099892']
I know the new cool thing to do is, to flame Ed Reed and show reasons why he shouldn't be re-signed but please tell me you aren't being serious with this post.

Let me make sure I fully understand you. Are you saying that Ed Reed doesn't play to the level of Huff or Weddle, or are you saying that both guys are over-paid, so even though Ed Reed is better then them, his play doesn't match their contracts because they're over-paid?
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I feel Ed is starting to actually lose a step and so I don't think his playing level right now deserves a big pay day. Michael Huff is over paid, it was an Al Davis contract. Third, Weddle actually deserved his contract from the Chargers but I just feel he is starting to lose a step and paying him something similar to Huff/Weddle wouldn't be a good investment. Especially if he keeps this whole Brett Favre I'm going to play, I may retire, I'm going to play gig up every off-season.

[ravensdfan]

We're to reward his childish antics? I hope not.

If he hadn't been acting like a 2 yr old, I'd be all for giving him a small extension. I say small, because quite frankly I'm not sure how much longer he can be effective. But to reward him for his recent behavior would be detrimental to the future in dealing with players' conracts IMO.

Obviously, I have no say in the matter, it is just my opinion.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1342585701' post='1099943']
I feel Ed is starting to actually lose a step and so I don't think his playing level right now deserves a big pay day. Michael Huff is over paid, it was an Al Davis contract. Third, Weddle actually deserved his contract from the Chargers but I just feel he is starting to lose a step and paying him something similar to Huff/Weddle wouldn't be a good investment. Especially if he keeps this whole Brett Favre I'm going to play, I may retire, I'm going to play gig up every off-season.
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I agree that Huff deal isn't a good one. As far as Weddle, I'm a fan of his. I like how he plays. I can also understand how you can say that a 33 year old Ed Reed who's dealt with injury over the last few seasons is losing a step.

However other then tackles, Ed Reed and Eric Weddle have similar stats over the last 2-3 years. Even with losing a step here or there, Ed Reed is still among the top Safeties, if not still the best in the NFL.

Ed will play this year and he'll still have a great impact on our defense, however if he has a great of a season as i think he'll have surrounded by these young guys in the secondary, he could very well be looking at a 3 year 25M deal. Maybe those numbers aren't exact but they'll be close. That's a deal much like Ray Lewis got back in 2009

[TheRavenouseD2008]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1342587574' post='1099951']
We're to reward his childish antics? I hope not.

If he hadn't been acting like a 2 yr old, I'd be all for giving him a small extension. I say small, because quite frankly I'm not sure how much longer he can be effective. But to reward him for his recent behavior would be detrimental to the future in dealing with players' conracts IMO.

Obviously, I have no say in the matter, it is just my opinion.
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the man actualy turned down money , said to his relative no hold out necessary thats not a 2 yearold thats a MAN

[1/28/01]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' timestamp='1342627638' post='1100080']


the man actualy turned down money , said to his relative no hold out necessary thats not a 2 yearold thats a MAN
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Riiiiighttt....he's being a child!

[MLGWL20]

I don't understand how people are saying that Eds play has diminished so much he doesn't deserve a contract on par with or better than the top contracts. Yeah he had three picks last year but the year before that he led the league while missing the first 6 games. Last year he looked better than he did the year before he just didn't get the brakes so his stats went down.

Id be willing to bet anything that he has atleast 5 picks and I wouldnt be surprised if he had double digits.

His play this year is going show he deserves a good sized extension.

[ellicottraven]

Leave the man alone! Reed is trying very hard to take care of his family and buy some security both for himself and his loved ones. Nothing wrong with that at all. Especially for someone of Reed's ability and stature and what he has meant to the Ravens defense for the last 10 yrs deserves a little more respect I think.

Keep in mind this guy is so frugal that he does not have an agent. While that may not be very smart on his part, that is just the way he thinks. When you have no adviser/agent to guide you, you tend to be very jumpy just so you don't leave any money or opportunity on the table. It is just his personality and we need to learn to live with it. When Reed is on the field is when he excels, not necessarily off it, so I am cool with it. With greatness comes a little eccentricity and I for one am fully willing to accept it and move on! Go Ravens! Go Ed Reed!!

[wayne]

Smh at some fans, we would never keep our star players if they were GMs. We would have a team full of 2nd and 3rd stringers listen to a lot of people on how they would do business. Trade Rice, let him walk, trade Ed, let him walk, etc, etc....

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1342672350' post='1100517']
Smh at some fans, we would never keep our star players if they were GMs. We would have a team full of 2nd and 3rd stringers listen to a lot of people on how they would do business. Trade Rice, let him walk, trade Ed, let him walk, etc, etc....
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No one wanted to trade Rice. They only said trade him rather than pay him $10 mil a year. And the FO didn't pay him $10 mil a year. I do believe if you check the thread you'll find pretty darn close to the actual deal he got mentioned over and over as a fair deal.

As for Reed, that was if he was intent on holding out and not showing up to play.