The Return Of ATD Fantasy Football 2012-2013

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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349470001' post='1177510']
The stats disagree with all your points

1. Gore for MJD in terms of production is fair trade. Getting Best on top of that is plus for him. If he doesnt pan out than he didnt lose anything at rb because gore was giving you the same production anyway. If Best does pan out, he has an extremely strong rb core

2. First two weeks of the season, lafell put up 17 points and 13 points (or so), last two weeks the giants killed cam passing wise and lafell didnt do much against the falcons. Garcon like I said was good week 1 injured weeks 2 and 3 and week 4( he played but only had a salvageable day because he recovered an rg3 fumble in the end zone). So again in terms of production a push

3. Just look at the totals from 2011 to see what Cook and Hasselbeck did.

As for your veto comment, you have no good grounds to veto. I mean I have said it before but vetoes should only be used if collusion is suspected. No one veto'd your trade in the espn despite everyone thinking it was one sided. And you obviously dont see collusion here, just a trade that you believe is one sided so I rest my case here.
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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349470001' post='1177510']
The stats disagree with all your points

1. Gore for MJD in terms of production is fair trade. Getting Best on top of that is plus for him. If he doesnt pan out than he didnt lose anything at rb because gore was giving you the same production anyway. If Best does pan out, he has an extremely strong rb core

2. First two weeks of the season, lafell put up 17 points and 13 points (or so), last two weeks the giants killed cam passing wise and lafell didnt do much against the falcons. Garcon like I said was good week 1 injured weeks 2 and 3 and week 4( he played but only had a salvageable day because he recovered an rg3 fumble in the end zone). So again in terms of production a push

3. Just look at the totals from 2011 to see what Cook and Hasselbeck did.

As for your veto comment, you have no good grounds to veto. I mean I have said it before but vetoes should only be used if collusion is suspected. No one veto'd your trade in the espn despite everyone thinking it was one sided. And you obviously dont see collusion here, just a trade that you believe is one sided so I rest my case here.
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I could care less about your opinion. You are making out like a bandit and you know it. I know how you try to manipulate "stats" and I know that you probably proposed this trade and made Best out to be some kind of game-changer. If I dont hear a reasonable explanation from the other owner I will veto because a trade like this can tilt the balance in the league.

[PuRock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349469090' post='1177502']
I disagree on all those points.

1) he is losing the best player (MJD) Best might never return and even if he does its a timeshare at (best).

2) Garcon is the #1 receiver in a high scoring offense. Lafell is a #2 who has never done anything.

3) Hasselbeck doesnt mean Cook will be anything special, he threw to him last year as well and was very lackluster. Olsen is the better TE especially in at PPR.
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I agree with you (So does Sizzle though he won't admit it right now) about the values.

Gore is at his peak right now. That backfield is starting to get more crowded as the season progresses. MJD is a workhorse and a top 5 back the rest of the season.

Best is not coming back. He said a couple days ago the team hasn't even given him a concussion test in a long time. That doesn't sound like a team that's eager to get him back. Garcon is a pretty sizable upgrade over Lafell (His targets are now going to Olsen - who Sizzle gets instead).

All in all, great job by Sizzle since the other team accepted.

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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1349470936' post='1177518']
I agree with you (So does Sizzle though he won't admit it right now) about the values.

Gore is at his peak right now. That backfield is starting to get more crowded as the season progresses. MJD is a workhorse and a top 5 back the rest of the season.

Best is not coming back. He said a couple days ago the team hasn't even given him a concussion test in a long time. That doesn't sound like a team that eager to get him back. Garcon is a pretty sizable upgrade over Lafell (His targets are now going to Olsen - who Sizzle gets instead).
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I dont think this is a collusion instance, but I can pretty much guarantee Sizzle fed the other owner some biased "stats" to make this trade sound reasonable, which it isnt.

[Ed_Reed20]

I didn't think much of the trade when I saw it at first but on closer inspection, it's definitely one-sided.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Definately 1 sided. MJD is a stud and Gore is overrated. Garcon is WAY better than LaFell. Cook is a little better than Olsen. Best shouldn't even be owned. LeShure is the starter and Smith is a good backup to him. Best is injury prone and might not even play this year. I had to veto this, its just way to one sided.

[Sizzlebshu]

Believe it or not I didnt give him any stats or anything. I'll screenshot the pms if you want. I inquired about garcon and mjd gave him an offer. He countered and wanted gore instead of sjax which I agreed to do for a tight end swap. He agreed and thats how we came about it. I gave him no stats you couldnt get off rotoworld. Only things I told him were that cook was getting hasselbeck back and that best would be used in a darren sproles role if he came back in week 8. Both of which you could find on rotoworld.

[JO_75]

I am 1-3, I needed something to help my team and some of you may see it lop sided but I feel this trade will help the both of us and will benefit me in trying to win some games and make a playoff push after starting 1-3.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349475304' post='1177548']
I am 1-3, I needed something to help my team and some of you may see it lop sided but I feel this trade will help the both of us and will benefit me in trying to win some games and make a playoff push after starting 1-3.
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LOL ok. You got owned here but if you really think it will help than so be it. Care to explain your reasoning?

[Sizzlebshu]

Im not saying I didnt make out well or win in the trade. I obviously did. Thats the point. However, you wanted an explanation for why he would do it and I gave you a logical one that makes sense.

Gore and MJD are producing at the same level currently - while mjd may produce better in the future, if he doesnt do something now to improve the state of his team mjd's production is irrelevant because he wont be in a position for it to matter. Best is a risk, but it is also a high reward. If it doesnt pan out, with gore he really isnt that much worse off than he was keeping mjd. He had to make a move here to improve his rb core and this was the best way to do it in a 16 team league since very few teams if any are willing to give up extra backs let alone have them to give up.

Also no offense gabe, but judging from how Turner and Lloyd are doing i wouldnt be talking crap about getting owned.

As for the veto, collusion really should be the only reason to veto. Again we didnt veto before when we considered turner for lloyd and obv rip, so I dont see why we should now. Dealing is part of the game.

[codizzle]

Don't like the trade at all but not going to veto.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1349476215' post='1177559']
Don't like the trade at all but not going to veto.
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Thats all I ask. Thank you.

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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349475854' post='1177553']
Im not saying I didnt make out well or win in the trade. I obviously did. Thats the point. However, you wanted an explanation for why he would do it and I gave you a logical one that makes sense.

Gore and MJD are producing at the same level currently - while mjd may produce better in the future, if he doesnt do something now to improve the state of his team mjd's production is irrelevant because he wont be in a position for it to matter. Best is a risk, but it is also a high reward. If it doesnt pan out, with gore he really isnt that much worse off than he was keeping mjd. He had to make a move here to improve his rb core and this was the best way to do it in a 16 team league since very few teams if any are willing to give up extra backs let alone have them to give up.

Also no offense gabe, but judging from how Turner and Lloyd are doing i wouldnt be talking crap about getting owned.

As for the veto, collusion really should be the only reason to veto. Again we didnt veto before when we considered turner for lloyd and obv rip, so I dont see why we should now. Dealing is part of the game.
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Turner vs Lloyd is still a viable trade. It helped both both our teams and wasnt wildly one-sided like this one. If JO really thinks this trade is good for him, then he is the only one lol.

[Mt. Crushmore]

It could be a lot worse. Sizzle isn't in my division, if I was I would be really pissed.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349476344' post='1177564'] Turner vs Lloyd is still a viable trade. It helped both both our teams and wasnt wildly one-sided like this one. If JO really thinks this trade is good for him, then he is the only one lol. [/quote]

It wasn't very one-sided. Turner is a low end starting RB and Lloyd can be a top WR.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349476344' post='1177564']
Turner vs Lloyd is still a viable trade. It helped both both our teams and wasnt wildly one-sided like this one. If JO really thinks this trade is good for him, then he is the only one lol.
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No offense, but in ff sometimes you have to make bad trades to avoid a losing season. For example, anyone who drafted the following players in the early rounds took HUGE RISKS and had they gone the other way would have seemed like idiots

Charles
Adrien Peterson
MJD

These players were taken in the first and second round in a 16 team league. If they were hurt or mjd pulled a cj0k then they would have been burned pick and like the saying goes you cant win your league with your first pick, but you can lose it with your first pick. This trade is no different than that. He had to take a risk and a loss here in order to potentially sneak into playoffs later. With playoffs anything can happen. Not saying anything is likely, but in one league I managed to acquire romo foster rice and shady and lost in the championship week due to injuries to shady and romo. Anything can happen with can being the operative world. That is what he has left to bet on and what he has chosen to bet on

As for Turner for Lloyd, we had this argument so its pointless to redo it. I will point out that no one thought it was a viable trade at the time but we did not veto it. Same should apply here.

[JO_75]

Why is it, whether it's the Mock Draft or even Fantasy Football you hate on my trades lol. You guys are just afraid that I'm going to go from 1-3 to the playoffs and possibly win it all.

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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349476629' post='1177572']
No offense, but in ff sometimes you have to make bad trades to avoid a losing season. For example, anyone who drafted the following players in the early rounds took HUGE RISKS and had they gone the other way would have seemed like idiots

Charles
Adrien Peterson
MJD

These players were taken in the first and second round in a 16 team league. If they were hurt or mjd pulled a cj0k then they would have been burned pick and like the saying goes you cant win your league with your first pick, but you can lose it with your first pick. This trade is no different than that. He had to take a risk and a loss here in order to potentially sneak into playoffs later. With playoffs anything can happen. Not saying anything is likely, but in one league I managed to acquire romo foster rice and shady and lost in the championship week due to injuries to shady and romo. Anything can happen with can being the operative world. That is what he has left to bet on and what he has chosen to bet on

As for Turner for Lloyd, we had this argument so its pointless to redo it. I will point out that no one thought it was a viable trade at the time but we did not veto it. Same should apply here.
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Whatever. This trade is bad. Everyone knows it.

The Lloyd - Turner trade wasnt nearly the same. A lot of people actually agreed with me, but you seem to conveniently forget that.

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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349477266' post='1177577']
Why is it, whether it's the Mock Draft or even Fantasy Football you hate on my trades lol. You guys are just afraid that I'm going to go from 1-3 to the playoffs and possibly win it all.
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Dont get me started on your mock draft trades lol.

[JO_75]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349477386' post='1177579']
Dont get me started on your mock draft trades lol.
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Like I said, you and everyone else is afraid this trade will pull me out of the rut I'm in and win it all!

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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349477471' post='1177580']
Like I said, you and everyone else is afraid this trade will pull me out of the rut I'm in and win it all!
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Well, I hope it works out for you.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349477345' post='1177578']
Whatever. This trade is bad. Everyone knows it.

The Lloyd - Turner trade wasnt nearly the same. A lot of people actually agreed with me, but you seem to conveniently forget that.
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im too lazy to go back and look at the thread but from what i remember thats a 14 team league so 2 ppl, if even that many, agreeing with you isn't a lot. From what I remember there was a lot of outrage and demand for an explanation.

I remember giving up on it and saying whatever since it was not collusion but dont think anyone thought that was a good trade.

[JO_75]

Just hope it's processed before Sunday.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349477733' post='1177584']
im too lazy to go back and look at the thread but from what i remember thats a 14 team league so 2 ppl, if even that many, agreeing with you isn't a lot. From what I remember there was a lot of outrage and demand for an explanation.

I remember giving up on it and saying whatever since it was not collusion but dont think anyone thought that was a good trade.
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From what I remember it was you and JO (ironically enough) giving me crap for it.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349477471' post='1177580']
Like I said, you and everyone else is afraid this trade will pull me out of the rut I'm in and win it all!
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Trust us. There is not one single person thinking that. We are just looking at the value of the trade and think it wasn't in your best interest. But since you think it is, that's all that matters. I actually hope this trade pans out for you and does just that. But in most of our eyes you are downgrading your RB, WR, and TE. But since the trade was made and accepted (with zero signs of collusion) its good.

My only fault in this matter, is that I didn't pose a similar trade to you first. : }

[JO_75]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1349478285' post='1177591']
Trust us. There is not one single person thinking that. We are just looking at the value of the trade and think it wasn't in your best interest. But since you think it is, that's all that matters. I actually hope this trade pans out for you and does just that. But in most of our eyes you are downgrading your RB, WR, and TE. But since the trade was made and accepted (with zero signs of collusion) its good.

My only fault in this matter, is that I didn't pose a similar trade to you first. : }
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You do also realize I have Gronkowski right? So how am I downgrading at TE?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349478400' post='1177592']
You do also realize I have Gronkowski right? So how am I downgrading at TE?
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By giving up Olsen for Cook. There's certainly upside with the latter but you're almost guaranteed low-end TE1 production with the former.

You unquestionably downgraded at RB and WR though.

[JO_75]

I'm not really downgrading at TE, when Gronk is my primary TE, while Olsen was my slot player in the W/R/T slot.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349478400' post='1177592']
You do also realize I have Gronkowski right? So how am I downgrading at TE?
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The TE's in the trade, your TE2. IMO Cook < Olsen but that is probably the most closely matched value in this trade. Although Lafell's targets have dropped while Olsen is picking up those targets, which also plays to Sizzle's favor.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349478119' post='1177586']
Just hope it's processed before Sunday.
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wont be unfortunately. The reason being is that rosters lock at 1 pm sunday. The trade has a two day veto process. I believe it was accepted aroudn 2 or 3 so 2 days from then would be sunday at 2 or 3 which cant happen because rosters would be locked so it will occur as soon as rosters unlock which would be late monday or early tuesday

[PuRock]

I wish it didn't take so long to process trades. Really can be a pain in the [profanity deleted]. I made that trade last week and had to wait out the games while I watched McGahee, Hillman establish himself and Chandler go off. Made me regret my decision even more.