The Return Of ATD Fantasy Football 2012-2013

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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1352836569' post='1218241']

Yea but touchdowns are the only reason which you have to realize will come and while Calvin is matchup proof, Marshall is not due to games where the bear's o line is awful and of course Jay Cutler going down with injury (Calvin has already proved for years he can be great without Stafford). While marshall played well with his share of terrible qbs, who would you rather have? I'll take that guy called Megatron. Calvin does have injuries i'll give you that and I personally wouldnt want him because of that but they are not affecting his production atm
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Everything u day makes sense, but you are ignoring the fact that Marshall has just been better. There is no reason for that to stop being the case. Yeah, he has had more TDs, but he also catches more balls which is value in a PPR league. Im not saying Megatron is bad obviously, but anyway you spin it Marshall has just been more productive and there is no reason for that to change. Marshall is their brdt weapon on offense. You are also stuck on name value here as opposed to actually paying attention to reality.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1352842183' post='1218376']
Everything u day makes sense, but you are ignoring the fact that Marshall has just been better. There is no reason for that to stop being the case. Yeah, he has had more TDs, but he also catches more balls which is value in a PPR league. Im not saying Megatron is bad obviously, but anyway you spin it Marshall has just been more productive and there is no reason for that to change. Marshall is their brdt weapon on offense. You are also stuck on name value here as opposed to actually paying attention to reality.
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Not really. But name value does play a role. Names have value for a reason its because they usually have the production to back them up. Its why no one traded CJ Rebound K for what he was producing at. So don't act like it doesnt matter.

My argument has nothing to do with that. I am saying that if you look at Megatron and Marshall and strip away Marshall's touchdowns. They are the same ie a push and when that happens you take the better player ie Megatron. They would be producing at an equivalent level. If Calvin Johnson sans tds is 180 than Marshall sans tds 228-42 (7 tds) = 186. A 6 point difference which is negligible. Now you can say touchdowns matter but I will counter with to him they don't. How many touchdown Marshall put up in previous games don't affect his production going forward nor do they affect his new owners score. They are an indicator maybe but thats about it. We have already seen that in games where Cutler's line can't do anything (Greenbay) Marshall also suffers. In that way Marshall is not matchup proof ( I was surprised that the bears o line held up so well against houston but that was an anomaly).

I acknowledge that Marshall has been better than Calvin but not in the way your making it out to be. He has only been better solely due to touchdowns which Calvin will get. Its just a matter of time. You can only delay Megatron, you cannot deny him.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1352842779' post='1218386']

Not really. But name value does play a role. Names have value for a reason its because they usually have the production to back them up. Its why no one traded CJ Rebound K for what he was producing at. So don't act like it doesnt matter.

My argument has nothing to do with that. I am saying that if you look at Megatron and Marshall and strip away Marshall's touchdowns. They are the same ie a push and when that happens you take the better player ie Megatron. They would be producing at an equivalent level. If Calvin Johnson sans tds is 180 than Marshall sans tds 228-42 (7 tds) = 186. A 6 point difference which is negligible. Now you can say touchdowns matter but I will counter with to him they don't. How many touchdown Marshall put up in previous games don't affect his production going forward nor do they affect his new owners score. They are an indicator maybe but thats about it. We have already seen that in games where Cutler's line can't do anything (Greenbay) Marshall also suffers. In that way Marshall is not matchup proof ( I was surprised that the bears o line held up so well against houston but that was an anomaly).

I acknowledge that Marshall has been better than Calvin but not in the way your making it out to be. He has only been better solely due to touchdowns which Calvin will get. Its just a matter of time. You can only delay Megatron, you cannot deny him.
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Thats fair i suppose. TDs are pretty fluky so in reality either could go off down the stretch. I just dont think you can discount trends like scoring entirely. Marshall also catches more balls which you cant discount. Either way your initial point that Megatron is clearly better than Marshall has no validity. Every single measure has Marshall ahead even when you take away the TDs.

So your entire argument is based on name value and an assumption that Megatron will be better which is pure speculation.

[codizzle]

Back to back wins? I'm hot yo

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1352843856' post='1218407']
Thats fair i suppose. TDs are pretty fluky so in reality either could go off down the stretch. I just dont think you can discount trends like scoring entirely. Marshall also catches more balls which you cant discount. Either way your initial point that Megatron is clearly better than Marshall has no validity. Every single measure has Marshall ahead even when you take away the TDs.

So your entire argument is based on name value and an assumption that Megatron will be better which is pure speculation.
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My intial point hold true because of my argument. In essence Marshall is really only up 6 points right now against a hurt Megatron. As the season goes on Megatron may get progressively more healthy and produce even more. Not to mention the lions will be in shootout mode all season so the opportunity will be there unlike the bears who will pass but due to their defense rarely be in shootout mode.

Im not discounting the trend entirely. I'm saying that a gambler can beat the house for awhile but in the end the house always wins. Megatron has had a td drought for awhile but that is ending. He's gonna hit the end zone multiple times. Im just sayin it will come full circle.

No my entire arguement is based on the fact that Megatron is one of 3 receivers that are argued over as the best in football right now (andre johnson and fitzgerald being the other two). His talent is too great to be denied all season. Is that speculation? Yes but so is the weather which tells you that there is a 90% chance of rain tomorrow. Its very very very likely youre gonna get wet if you dont have a rain coat.

Also having name value only applies to the trade. Right now Im comparing just comparing Marshall to Megatron. Im not even trying to put a value on his name.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1352858774' post='1218578']
Back to back wins? I'm hot yo
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your inbox is full

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1352862355' post='1218615']
My intial point hold true because of my argument. In essence Marshall is really only up 6 points right now against a hurt Megatron. As the season goes on Megatron may get progressively more healthy and produce even more. Not to mention the lions will be in shootout mode all season so the opportunity will be there unlike the bears who will pass but due to their defense rarely be in shootout mode.

Im not discounting the trend entirely. I'm saying that a gambler can beat the house for awhile but in the end the house always wins. Megatron has had a td drought for awhile but that is ending. He's gonna hit the end zone multiple times. Im just sayin it will come full circle.

No my entire arguement is based on the fact that Megatron is one of 3 receivers that are argued over as the best in football right now (andre johnson and fitzgerald being the other two). His talent is too great to be denied all season. Is that speculation? Yes but so is the weather which tells you that there is a 90% chance of rain tomorrow. Its very very very likely youre gonna get wet if you dont have a rain coat.

Also having name value only applies to the trade. Right now Im comparing just comparing Marshall to Megatron. Im not even trying to put a value on his name.
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I dont know where you have been hanging out, but I dont know anyone thinks Andre Johnson is anywhere close to being the best WR in football. I'll give you Fitzgerald, but doesnt Marshall have to be in that conversation? Even when he was in Miami, he was productive with next to nothing at QB. AJ Green is probably a top 5 guy too and in a couple years will probably be #1.

Back to the issue at hand, maybe Megatron has a huge stretch run or maybe not, but Marshall has consistently (only one week where he didnt have double digits and only 3 weeks under 20 points) been a better fantasy option this season and yes, I do think past performance should be taken into consideration when evaluating a trade. Of course you are free to your opinion and I see I am not going to convince you otherwise

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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1352867856' post='1218650']

your inbox is full
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Idk how to delete on mobile.. I'll try and switch to full version later on and take care of it

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1352890812' post='1218712']
Idk how to delete on mobile.. I'll try and switch to full version later on and take care of it
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alright well when ya do i'll shoot ya pm.

[Sizzlebshu]

Anyone realize the trade deadline is this Friday. I wonder if any 11th hour deals will be worked out.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1352932888' post='1219239']
Anyone realize the trade deadline is this Friday. I wonder if any 11th hour deals will be worked out.
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Didn't know that. Thanks.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1352949395' post='1219461']
Didn't know that. Thanks.
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np I thought we had another week. Shot ya a pm btw.

[Sizzlebshu]

Guess no one wanted/needed/could make a deal . Interesting.

[Mt. Crushmore]

I need 20.23 points to win against H8R in a key matchup between two 6-4 teams. I have Brandon Marshall, Tim Jennings, and Patrick Willis left and he has nobody.

[ravens__]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1353328928' post='1225779']
I need 20.23 points to win against H8R in a key matchup between two 6-4 teams. I have Brandon Marshall, Tim Jennings, and Patrick Willis left and he has nobody.
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You're fine.

I, on the other hand, laid another egg this time against the team with the worst record in the league. Lost by 0.5 points.

Just not my year in fantasy. I haven't had time to really get into it, missed a handful of good waiver wire pickups and I keep making clumsy decisions on who to start. I mean, I started Flacco over RG3 in our ESPN league and I'm gonna lose, barring a miracle, because of it. (Forte needs to get me 18 points against the stiff 49ers run D. Not gonna happen.)
On top of that, the only guy who puts up points consistently for my team is Gronkowski and he could miss up to 6 weeks.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1353330994' post='1225808']


You're fine.

I, on the other hand, laid another egg this time against the team with the worst record in the league. Lost by 0.5 points.

Just not my year in fantasy. I haven't had time to really get into it, missed a handful of good waiver wire pickups and I keep making clumsy decisions on who to start. I mean, I started Flacco over RG3 in our ESPN league and I'm gonna lose, barring a miracle, because of it. (Forte needs to get me 18 points against the stiff 49ers run D. Not gonna happen.)
On top of that, the only guy who puts up points consistently for my team is Gronkowski and he could miss up to 6 weeks.
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Well to be fair you don't trade so yea.thats an opportunity to fix that that was not taken. Flaccid and the ravens in general needed to and should've had a much Better night

Edit autocorrect changes Flacco to flaccid I'd but considering his performance last night I'm leaving it

[ravens__]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1353333333' post='1225843']


Well to be fair you don't trade so yea.thats an opportunity to fix that that was not taken. Flaccid and the ravens in general needed to and should've had a much Better night
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Most seasons I don't make a single trade and I've still had success. I'm not gonna make one just for the sake of it.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1353333750' post='1225849']
Most seasons I don't make a single trade and I've still had success. I'm not gonna make one just for the sake of it.
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You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. All I am saying is that you had an opportunity to fix it and you chose not to. Yes you can have success without trades and no you shouldnt make one for the sake of making one but if a trade can benefit you in some way I dont see why you wouldnt make one. Thats just not utilizing/considering all of your options

[ravens__]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1353335741' post='1225876']


You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. All I am saying is that you had an opportunity to fix it and you chose not to. Yes you can have success without trades and no you shouldnt make one for the sake of making one but if a trade can benefit you in some way I dont see why you wouldnt make one.
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I get exactly what you're saying. I chose not to because I didn't feel it would improve my team. Simple as that.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1353335953' post='1225882']
I get exactly what you're saying. I chose not to because I didn't feel it would improve my team. Simple as that.
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Well I can't say it would or it wouldnt without knowing the offers, but to not even consider them I find to be foolish. You dont have to execute, but you should at least listen to offers or put people on the block to see what you can get and if improvement is possible imho.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1353328928' post='1225779']
I need 20.23 points to win against H8R in a key matchup between two 6-4 teams. I have Brandon Marshall, Tim Jennings, and Patrick Willis left and he has nobody.
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Won't lie. I'm pulling for H8R. : )

[PuRock]

Boy did I dodge a bullet in my game. Played against Andre Johnson who put up 52.30 points.

Luckily the owner is MIA. He had Blaine Gabbert (-1.04 ) in his starting lineup while Tom Brady (31.24) was on his bench. But then again even if he did start Tom Brady, I would've won. Just hard to win games when an opposing player puts up 50+ points.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1353345374' post='1226074']
Boy did I dodge a bullet in my game. Played against Andre Johnson who put up 52.30 points.

Luckily the owner is MIA. He had Blaine Gabbert (-1.04 ) in his starting lineup while Tom Brady (31.24) was on his bench. But then again even if he did start Tom Brady, I would've won. Just hard to win games when an opposing player puts up 50+ points.
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inactive owner is inactive. I got him next week though.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1353344981' post='1226067']
Won't lie. I'm pulling for H8R. : )
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Your just scared

[Sizzlebshu]

I get bacon is good and h8r for my final two regular season matches. Bacon should be good since Henne is starting this week and unless he becomes active he'll put up a goose egg at qb almost giving me the win so bacially it comes down to me vs h8r barring something happening to lock me for playoffs after this week.

[ravens__]

Looks like Yahoo spared me and gave me the W upon the points review. I'll take it.

I got an automatic L against Gabe next week and I close out the season against Crushmore. We'll see.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1353396112' post='1227003']
Looks like Yahoo spared me and gave me the W upon the points review. I'll take it.

I got an automatic L against Gabe next week and I close out the season against Crushmore. We'll see.
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I wish I got to play Gabe this week. The score I posted really isnt an accurate reflection of what my team can do considering i had a bye at like 3 positions and started palmer over manning (something I did on a gamble due to the bye weeks, was hoping for a couple of tds and the 400 yd bonus)

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1353396112' post='1227003']
Looks like Yahoo spared me and gave me the W upon the points review. I'll take it.

I got an automatic L against Gabe next week and I close out the season against Crushmore. We'll see.
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Make that two automatic loses.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1353411455' post='1227039']

I wish I got to play Gabe this week. The score I posted really isnt an accurate reflection of what my team can do considering i had a bye at like 3 positions and started palmer over manning (something I did on a gamble due to the bye weeks, was hoping for a couple of tds and the 400 yd bonus)
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Your tears are so delicious.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1353429422' post='1227188']
Your tears are so delicious.
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lol i told you you prolly had it barring something insane but my luck doesnt get like er20's until playoffs lol.