The Return Of ATD Fantasy Football 2012-2013

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349644556' post='1180644']
haha, well just to let you know I'm out. If you want to keep fighting the trade go on ahead, your all by yourself. Sorry.
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like i said just send me another offer

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349643256' post='1180559']
How is it bull? Because using the veto button for any other reason but collusion creates a shift in power that basically says hey we dont like owner y for whatever reason let's prevent him from making any moves by vetoing every trade he makes. I am not saying you will do this just explaining why you dont ever veto a trade except in the case of where two owners are trying to ruin the league and screw you. Basically the veto button essentially becomes a button that decides who can't win the league. Like I said you did exactly what Stern did to the Lakers and everyone universally agreed that it was a bad move by Stern. This is no different.

Btw congrats on your win this week, seems I cant catch a break in this league might as well just drop my team, since I cant seem to win anyway. you can always veto my decision if you dont like it /sarcasm
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I highly disagree. It's not about disliking an owner; I'd say every owner had a legitimate reason for vetoing the trade. I can understand the frustration but that's how fantasy leagues work.

You comparing this veto to what Stern did is laughable.

Rodgers and Gonzo came up big and several of my bye-week fill-ins produced as well. Wish my IDPs would stop disappointing me though. No one I plug in seems to be have a big game.

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1349644022' post='1180599']
Yea I'm done with this league.. 50 points to a WR is retarded
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Wayne probably just had the biggest game any WR will have this year (save Hartline's Week 4 effort). I don't think the bonus points are too outlandish.

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1349644308' post='1180621']
I was happy with my pickup of Santana Moss this week. I had to start him because of all my byes and he got me 16 points. I had waiver 8 this week so half the league didn't want him.
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I actually dropped him. He came through today but I'll be surprised if he tops his game today.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1349645470' post='1180700']
I actually dropped him. He came through today but I'll be surprised if he tops his game today.
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Well this is the only week I think I will need him for so I am fine. He is a good 4th WR, much better than Rames Barden who I had before.

[PuRock]

Finally some Crabtree!!!!! I just went back to check my scores and had to do a double take. Got a TD and the 100 yard receiving bonus all on one play. Nice. Only the first half. Career game for the Crabster.

[JO_75]

Damn you Josh Gordon, I was close to starting you and decided against it and u get 22 points on my bench???

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1349645470' post='1180700']
I highly disagree. It's not about disliking an owner; I'd say every owner had a legitimate reason for vetoing the trade. I can understand the frustration but that's how fantasy leagues work.

You comparing this veto to what Stern did is laughable.

Rodgers and Gonzo came up big and several of my bye-week fill-ins produced as well. Wish my IDPs would stop disappointing me though. No one I plug in seems to be have a big game.



Wayne probably just had the biggest game any WR will have this year (save Hartline's Week 4 effort). I don't think the bonus points are too outlandish.



I actually dropped him. He came through today but I'll be surprised if he tops his game today.
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How is it any different than what Stern did. Stern is controlled by NBA owners. NBA owners see Lakers are forming super team if they get CP3 (since theyd also get cap for dwight). NBA owners dont like this and Stern vetoes a trade that all parties in it agreed to. What part of that is different than what you guys did again?

I never said it was about disliking an owner. I went out of my way to say it wasn't. I was just illustrating a point on how using vetoes for any reason but collusion is corrupt and illustrated a reason why. I dont know why everyone vetoed the trade but I do know the reasons they didnt use.


Actually no league I have ever been in has been allowed to veto a trade for any other reason than collusion for the reasons I mentioned above Vetoing is designed to prevent league corruption but when used like that just adds to it.

[Sizzlebshu]

just for fun to show you how funny the veto was. Every player I gave outscored every player I would have received in that trade this week. From a production value the trade I gave was more than fair. You cant say but in the future... because unless you can prove it, its worthless which none of you can. Also GFG lost another game this week and Id say is about 2 losses away from essentially just freezing his team since any trade for him would be pointless because it will be almost impossible to make it in with a 500 record. So thanks for saving me from that one guys and condemning GFG.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349652622' post='1180970']
How is it any different than what Stern did. Stern is controlled by NBA owners. NBA owners see Lakers are forming super team if they get CP3 (since theyd also get cap for dwight). NBA owners dont like this and Stern vetoes a trade that all parties in it agreed to. What part of that is different than what you guys did again?

I never said it was about disliking an owner. I went out of my way to say it wasn't. I was just illustrating a point on how using vetoes for any reason but collusion is corrupt and illustrated a reason why. I dont know why everyone vetoed the trade but I do know the reasons they didnt use.

Actually no league I have ever been in has been allowed to veto a trade for any other reason than collusion for the reasons I mentioned above Vetoing is designed to prevent league corruption but when used like that just adds to it.
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Wow. The trade wouldn't have you "super team" and again, the owners had legitimate reasons for vetoing the trade beyond just "not liking" it.

"Vetoing a trade for any reason but collision is corrupt"? You can't be serious.

Well, there haven't been any unwritten rules on vetoing in any league I've played in, and I'm sure other owners would agree.

The players you were going to trade away outscoring those you were going to trade for this week is no vindication at all.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1349654916' post='1181050']
Wow. The trade wouldn't have you "super team" and again, the owners had legitimate reasons for vetoing the trade beyond just "not liking" it.

"Vetoing a trade for any reason but collision is corrupt"? You can't be serious.

Well, there haven't been any unwritten rules on vetoing in any league I've played in, and I'm sure other owners would agree.

The players you were going to trade away outscoring those you were going to trade for this week is no vindication at all.
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How about through 5 weeks then collectively they outscored the ones i was getting not enough for you because Gore MIGHT lose carries in the future and LAFELL might miss targets. For all you or I know Gore may lead the league in rushing and lafell may have 200yd receiving games every week. What you think may happen in the future isnt a valid reason to veto for the reason that you dont know. Besides that look at his w/l. All that matter are their current value right now, because at this rate he may not last long enough for any of those players to drop off in production.

I didnt say I was forming a super team just illustrating the Stern example. However the same principle stands. Team gets dramatically better by using a trade, owners dont like that the team is getting better so they veto the trade because they dont like it.

If you dont think I would have had a dramatically improved team and you have a reason beyond not liking the trade/outcome of the trade, I'd love to hear it.

If you dont know that this is an unwritten rule, Id be happy to post a thread on any fantasy forum you like asking if this should've been vetoed. Guarantee that any response will say this shouldnt have been vetoed. If you don't care what they say,well then what can I possibly do? I offered a solution how about you offer one. But I suspect you'll just avoid this totally saying what's done is done and thats now how it works in this league which is a cop out. But what can I do.

Also how is deciding who can and cannot trade for an arbitrary reason that needs not be legitimate or disclosed not corrupt?

Im going to drop this now because I think I have made my point. I hope that in the future that trades are only vetoed on the basis of collusion and not to advance the individual cause of anyone's team.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349655723' post='1181094']
How about through 5 weeks then collectively they outscored the ones i was getting not enough for you because Gore MIGHT lose carries in the future and LAFELL might miss targets. For all you or I know Gore may lead the league in rushing and lafell may have 200yd receiving games every week. [b]What you think may happen in the future isnt a valid reason to veto for the reason that you dont know.[/b] Besides that look at his w/l. All that matter are their current value right now, because at this rate he may not last long enough for any of those players to drop off in production.

I didnt say I was forming a super team just illustrating the Stern example. However the same principle stands. Team gets dramatically better by using a trade, owners dont like that the team is getting better so they veto the trade because they dont like it.

If you dont think I would have had a dramatically improved team and you have a reason beyond not liking the trade/outcome of the trade, I'd love to hear it.

If you dont know that this is an unwritten rule, Id be happy to post a thread on any fantasy forum you like asking if this should've been vetoed. Guarantee that any response will say this shouldnt have been vetoed. If you don't care what they say,well then what can I possibly do? I offered a solution how about you offer one. But I suspect you'll just avoid this totally saying what's done is done and thats now how it works in this league which is a cop out. But what can I do.

Also how is deciding who can and cannot trade for an arbitrary reason that needs not be legitimate or disclosed not corrupt?
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Up until this week, JO's players involved in the trade has outscored your's, so the point discrepancy can't be that large.

Your point in bold is absolute b.s. If you can make a trade based on assumptions that the players you want to acquire will help your team, other owners more than have the right to block it, especially if they believe the trade is too lopsided.

It goes beyond other teams not liking that one team would likely drastically improve from the trade. To enough people, one guy was getting hosed. He may not have seen it that way, but enough owners did.

It's not that I don't know it's unwritten rule, [b]it isn't[/b]. Go ahead and post on a fantasy forum. You're delusional if you think no one would believe the trade was worth being vetoed.

What "solution" are you talking about? Your trade was vetoed. Either it's never happened to you before or you just want to drag this out based on some misplaced sense of being wronged.

Because it isn't. I've disclosed my reasons for not wanting liking the trade. So did several owners before the trade was officially vetoed. You obviously don't feel their reasons are legitimate but that's a matter of opinion, not fact.

[Sizzlebshu]

I think this should pretty much settle this

Here's yahoo's trade review policy for fantasy sports. Apparently it is written

[b]Protesting a review[/b]
If a manager feels that the deal is unfair, he/she can lodge an official protest with the Fantasy Sports League Office. Every protest (which must contain a description of why the protesting manager feels the trade should be vetoed.) will be reviewed by members of the Yahoo! Sports staff within the review period.
[b]It is not the purpose of the League Office to prevent coaches from making[i] unwise[/i] trades, but rather to simply ensure that all coaches in a league are competing on a level and fair playing field. [/b]All decisions on trade protests are final. Explanations about why specific trades were approved or rejected are not provided.

So translation: Unwise trades are all good so long as there is no collusion. Tell me more about how delusional I am please

[JO_75]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349659820' post='1181266']
I think this should pretty much settle this

Here's yahoo's trade review policy for fantasy sports. Apparently it is written

[b]Protesting a review[/b]
If a manager feels that the deal is unfair, he/she can lodge an official protest with the Fantasy Sports League Office. Every protest (which must contain a description of why the protesting manager feels the trade should be vetoed.) will be reviewed by members of the Yahoo! Sports staff within the review period.
[b]It is not the purpose of the League Office to prevent coaches from making[i] unwise[/i] trades, but rather to simply ensure that all coaches in a league are competing on a level and fair playing field. [/b]All decisions on trade protests are final. Explanations about why specific trades were approved or rejected are not provided.

So translation: Unwise trades are all good so long as there is no collusion. Tell me more about how delusional I am please
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Let's see if they like our second attempt at a trade.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349661746' post='1181372']
Let's see if they like our second attempt at a trade.
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Here's hoping

[codizzle]

I'm going to veto every trade from here on out.. Just to be a d..

happy trading haha

[JO_75]

I told you all, everyone is afraid of me which was why you all vetoed my first trade. Oh on top of it all, I'll be 2-3 with still a chance at the playoffs which will worry all of you and conspire against me to keep me from winning lol. Here I come........ 2-3 to the playoffs!

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349672010' post='1181716']
I told you all, everyone is afraid of me which was why you all vetoed my first trade. Oh on top of it all, I'll be 2-3 with still a chance at the playoffs which will worry all of you and conspire against me to keep me from winning lol. Here I come........ 2-3 to the playoffs!
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I feel bad for Bacon really what Colston did was just dirty lol

[JO_75]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349672142' post='1181717']
I feel bad for Bacon really what Colston did was just dirty lol
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Yeah but even I have to admit these points for receivers are crazy.

[codizzle]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349672582' post='1181720']


Yeah but even I have to admit these points for receivers are crazy.
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Thank you Jesus.. Someone else finally said it

[codizzle]

Perfect example.. In this league.. Colston dropped 60 points.. In my other Yahoo league he had 33 points (also i had him on the bench DOH!! Still won though)

That's a friggin huge difference

[JO_75]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1349672925' post='1181727']
Thank you Jesus.. Someone else finally said it
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I mean I was down over 10 points heading into the game and Colston put me in the lead by 24.78 points with him having Andre Johnson left over, which means Andre Johnson could win him the game by himself and I have J.J Watt and Shayne Graham remaining.

[Sizzlebshu]

Actually given what Colston did the amount of points he ended up with isnt too far off from the norm

18 points came from tds so thats the same in any league

Whatever number of yards he got is the same in both leagues

However ppr and the mile stone bonus are what seem to inflate the points. I dont mind either one but they are game changers so when you make your draft choices you have to plan accordingly

[Sizzlebshu]

who is h8r 2012?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349713671' post='1181997']
who is h8r 2012?
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H8R

[gabefergy]

My WRs came to play this week. Marshall and Welker combine for 70+

While those are obviously big numbers it comes with the territory in PPR leagues. The 5 point bonuses are not WR specific so I dont really get what the complaining is about.

[PuRock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349725435' post='1182224']
My WRs came to play this week. Marshall and Welker combine for 70+

While those are obviously big numbers it comes with the territory in PPR leagues. [b]The 5 point bonuses are not WR specific so I dont really get what the complaining is about.[/b]
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By the way, where's the bonus points for 200 yards rushing (Bradshaw)? You would think you would get another 5 for doing 100 twice!

[gabefergy]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1349725956' post='1182235']


By the way, where's the bonus points for 200 yards rushing (Bradshaw)? You would think you would get another 5 for doing 100 twice!
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Good question! Ive played in leagues yhat have incremental bonuses which stack. Talk about crazy.

[PuRock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349726206' post='1182238']
Good question! Ive played in leagues yhat have incremental bonuses which stack. Talk about crazy.
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Last year in JO's Yahoo league I believe, there was that crazy 4 point bonus for TD catches/passes/runs of 40+ yards and 5 points for over 50+.

But it was all screwed up. So if somebody ran a 50 yard TD they would get the 4 point bonus and the 5 point bonus for 9 total points (should have been 1 point for 50+ yards for a total of 5 points). Plus if they went over 100 they would get more bonus points.

Now that was a league where the bonus points were ridiculous. This league, not so much.

[Sizzlebshu]

Alex smith has an injury to his throwing hand. Interesting for Gore's, Kapernik's, and Hunter's value.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349728718' post='1182278']
Alex smith has an injury to his throwing hand. Interesting for Gore's, Kapernik's, and Hunter's value.
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Minor :injury. Sprained finger shouldn't have any real effect.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349730451' post='1182310']
Minor :injury. Sprained finger shouldn't have any real effect.
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ah if thats all it was then agreed shouldnt have much of an effect.