The Return Of ATD Fantasy Football 2012-2013

[gabefergy]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349478654' post='1177598']
I'm not really downgrading at TE, when Gronk is my primary TE, while Olsen was my slot player in the W/R/T slot.
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Ok. You arent downgrading at TE, but you are downgrading at your flex. Semantics.

[JO_75]

Regardless how everyone feels, we won't know how it works out until the trade is processed which will be next week and won't know how it works out until the end of the season.

[JO_75]

I just wish Kenny Britt would stop being injured, then my WR core would at least be stable then.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1349478898' post='1177601']
I wish it didn't take so long to process trades. Really can be a pain in the [profanity deleted]. I made that trade last week and had to wait out the games while I watched McGahee, Hillman establish himself and Chandler go off. Made me regret my decision even more.
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Problem is that if you make it shorter, people will complain about not being able to review trades cause its too short. I like the two day rule because it presents an element of strategy.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349477345' post='1177578']
Whatever. This trade is bad. Everyone knows it.

The Lloyd - Turner trade wasnt nearly the same. A lot of people actually agreed with me, but you seem to conveniently forget that.
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I agreed with your logic and I was the one trading with you.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349483164' post='1177644']
Problem is that if you make it shorter, people will complain about not being able to review trades cause its too short. I like the two day rule because it presents an element of strategy.
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Agree about the 2 day rule.

[Mt. Crushmore]

I just checked and the trade was vetoed.

[Sizzlebshu]

No offense but thats bull and collusion on the part of the rest of the league in order basically to save themselves and screw me. A bad trade isn't grounds for a veto. Only collusion is grounds for a veto. Otherwise any trade that would negatively affect your team could be vetoed and thus makes it unfair and an abuse of power. I pm'd ATD and am hoping that this will be resolved. I know some of you respected the trade and didnt veto and I thank you for that, but for those that did, im sure I wont see you in the playoffs if thats the only way you can keep yourselves in the game.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349622288' post='1178317']
No offense but thats bull and collusion on the part of the rest of the league in order basically to save themselves and screw me. A bad trade isn't grounds for a veto. Only collusion is grounds for a veto. Otherwise any trade that would negatively affect your team could be vetoed and thus makes it unfair and an abuse of power. I pm'd ATD and am hoping that this will be resolved. I know some of you respected the trade and didnt veto and I thank you for that, but for those that did, im sure I wont see you in the playoffs if thats the only way you can keep yourselves in the game.
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Don't worry about it, besides it wouldn't have effected this week anyway so I'm glad the trade got vetoed but I say we still try to trade but come up with something more better.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349624325' post='1178328']
Don't worry about it, besides it wouldn't have effected this week anyway so I'm glad the trade got vetoed but I say we still try to trade but come up with something more better.
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not really the point tho. What basically just happened was that now you can veto any trade if it negatively affects your team even if your team isnt involved in the trade. So if I wanted to be a jerk and get trade vetoed to a divisional oppn no matter the circumstances now I can because that precedent was set which is the whole reason why vetoing without collusion is an abuse of power. Send me an offer, but I did pm atd and im hoping that he will overturn the veto and reinstate the trade just in case.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349634231' post='1179314']


not really the point tho. What basically just happened was that now you can veto any trade if it negatively affects your team even if your team isnt involved in the trade. So if I wanted to be a jerk and get trade vetoed to a divisional oppn no matter the circumstances now I can because that precedent was set which is the whole reason why vetoing without collusion is an abuse of power. Send me an offer, but I did pm atd and im hoping that he will overturn the veto and reinstate the trade just in case.
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Welcome to America..

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349634231' post='1179314']
not really the point tho. What basically just happened was that now you can veto any trade if it negatively affects your team even if your team isnt involved in the trade. So if I wanted to be a jerk and get trade vetoed to a divisional oppn no matter the circumstances now I can because that precedent was set which is the whole reason why vetoing without collusion is an abuse of power. Send me an offer, but I did pm atd and im hoping that he will overturn the veto and reinstate the trade just in case.
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Isn't that the point of the veto button? If you feel a trade negatively impacts your one team or another, you veto it..I don't like the idea of you having MJD and Pierre Garcon for basically could be's, while GFG would be losing quality players in trade for depth because i know Jared Cook/Lafell/Best will be spending more time on his bench than not.

It isn't like we had a town meeting and all agreed to veto the trade.. Or did we?

I vetoed BTW.

[codizzle]

I'm going to lose because Reggie wayne has 30 points and has no TD's.. God this point system is annoying

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1349640942' post='1180398']
Isn't that the point of the veto button? If you feel a trade negatively impacts your one team or another, you veto it..I don't like the idea of you having MJD and Pierre Garcon for basically could be's, while GFG would be losing quality players in trade for depth because i know Jared Cook/Lafell/Best will be spending more time on his bench than not.

It isn't like we had a town meeting and all agreed to veto the trade.. Or did we?

I vetoed BTW.
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No actually thats not what the veto is for. The veto only if you suspect two members are colluding so to make one of said members win. Thats clearly not what happened here according to everyone. What you did was an abuse of power. Itd be the equivalent of me saying oh well im gonna screw over the whole league and drop my team or send them to one player just so no one else could win. The veto is ONLY to be used to prevent that. Using it for any other purpose violates the fairness of the game. I think pu said it best. A lot of people are mad that they just didnt get a deal like that first and saw that if that trade went through my team would in all likelihood be a powerhouse and tough for them to beat. So they COLLUDED and vetoed which again violates the fairness of the game

Regardless of whether you like the idea or not, you shouldn't veto it if there was no collusion. The reason you dont like it is because it affects you. Last time I checked you're not part of the trade. GFG knows he was taking a risk on a lottery ticket like the trade and therefore accepted. I liked the trade proposed it. So there is no issue here on our part. In other words, unless you think we did something with express purpose of cheating you guys (which everyone admits we didnt) then you should stay out of it and deal with the results. Basically what you guys did was what David Stern did to the Lakers when they tried to get CP3 and we all know that was [profanity deleted].

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349641522' post='1180456']
No actually thats not what the veto is for. The veto only if you suspect two members are colluding so to make one of said members win. Thats clearly not what happened here according to everyone. What you did was an abuse of power. Itd be the equivalent of me saying oh well im gonna screw over the whole league and drop my team or send them to one player just so no one else could win. The veto is ONLY to be used to prevent that. Using it for any other purpose violates the fairness of the game. I think pu said it best. A lot of people are mad that they just didnt get a deal like that first and saw that if that trade went through my team would in all likelihood be a powerhouse and tough for them to beat. So they COLLUDED and vetoed which again violates the fairness of the game
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Sour grapes much? Don't accuse people of collusion just because your trade didn't go through. I was one of the folks that vetoed the trade and I didn't talk about it with anyone in private.

There's no official document on how vetoing can be used. If people think a trade is unfair or simply want to block a team from getting significantly better, they more than have the right to veto it. They're not violating anything.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1349641835' post='1180482']
Sour grapes much? Don't accuse people of collusion just because your trade didn't go through. I was one of the folks that vetoed the trade and I didn't talk about it with anyone in private.

There's no official document on how vetoing can be used. If people think a trade is unfair or simply want to block a team from getting significantly better, they more than have the right to veto it. They're not violating anything.
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When I say collusion I mean that you all basically vetoed the trade for the same reason ie that my team would be too powerful which is bull. Not one person vetoed the trade for reason that was not inclined to self-interest. No one did it because GFG was losing out on the trade. They did it because I was winning out in the trade. When I say this I dont mean me specifically but just that a team was winning out and that team is a threat to them with the trade. Seriously what's the problem if both me and GFG liked the trade. The problem is that a trade like that would kill you so you veto it. Again pu rock said it best you're mad because you didnt do it first.

[ravens__]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1349641016' post='1180410']
I'm going to lose because Reggie wayne has 30 points and has no TD's.. God this point system is annoying
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There, he got a touchdown. Happy now?

[codizzle]

[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1349642235' post='1180500']


There, he got a touchdown. Happy now?
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Here's some collusion for ya sizzle.. I go 1-4 then I'm tanking...

Who wants Foster? Ha

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349642194' post='1180497']
When I say collusion I mean that you all basically vetoed the trade for the same reason ie that my team would be too powerful which is bull. Not one person vetoed the trade for reason that was not inclined to self-interest. No one did it because GFG was losing out on the trade. They did it because I was winning out in the trade. When I say this I dont mean me specifically but just that a team was winning out and that team is a threat to them with the trade. Seriously what's the problem if both me and GFG liked the trade. The problem is that a trade like that would kill you so you veto it. Again pu rock said it best you're mad because you didnt do it first.
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How is it bull? We all vie for the same free agents. Savvy owners pick up free agents just to stop other owners from getting them. How is vetoing a trade because not only do you think it's unfair but it'll help a divisional foe get better that different? And really, there's really no guarantee your trade would have helped you "kill" anyone.

I wasn't mad at all. I thought the trade was too one-sided. I vetoed it.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1349641016' post='1180410']
I'm going to lose because Reggie wayne has 30 points and has no TD's.. God this point system is annoying
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My savior. 46.2 points, he has been a beast so far this year.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1349642597' post='1180519']
Here's some collusion for ya sizzle.. I go 1-4 then I'm tanking...

Who wants Foster? Ha
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If you are interested in trading Foster let me know and take a look at my team to see who you would like.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1349642598' post='1180520']
How is it bull? We all vie for the same free agents. Savvy owners pick up free agents just to stop other owners from getting them. How is vetoing a trade because not only do you think it's unfair but it'll help a divisional foe get better that different? And really, there's really no guarantee your trade would have helped you "kill" anyone.

I wasn't mad at all. I thought the trade was too one-sided. I vetoed it.
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How is it bull? Because using the veto button for any other reason but collusion creates a shift in power that basically says hey we dont like owner y for whatever reason let's prevent him from making any moves by vetoing every trade he makes. I am not saying you will do this just explaining why you dont ever veto a trade except in the case of where two owners are trying to ruin the league and screw you. Basically the veto button essentially becomes a button that decides who can't win the league. Like I said you did exactly what Stern did to the Lakers and everyone universally agreed that it was a bad move by Stern. This is no different.

Btw congrats on your win this week, seems I cant catch a break in this league might as well just drop my team, since I cant seem to win anyway. you can always veto my decision if you dont like it /sarcasm

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1349642597' post='1180519']
Here's some collusion for ya sizzle.. I go 1-4 then I'm tanking...

Who wants Foster? Ha
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drop your team. If you traded Foster I wouldnt blame you. Your 1-4 and need a lottery ticket to basically have any shot in playoffs altho the league will probably veto any trade you make screwing you anyway since they dont want anyone to have foster. Better have him out of the game then give you a chance to get back in it.

Im gonna say it again. I dont think this was a bad trade for him. Rather, it was one he had to make. He was 1-4 with the players he had and he needed to do something otherwise he was gonna miss playoffs and be done. Sometimes at that point you have to make a bad trade to have even a prayer at playoffs. A prayer is better than nothing which is what GFG had and you have condemned him to having.

Is the value he's giving up higher? Yes of course. The whole reason I am making the deal is because of that. However I ask which is worse? To continue on as is with his 1-4 team almost assured to miss playoffs barring the rest of the league dropping their teams and letting him win (which would be bull too since we dont allow tanking of games for better seeding or do we?) or he makes a bad trade for a lottery ticket essentially and may have a shot of just sneaking in should it pan out.

[codizzle]

Yea I'm done with this league.. 50 points to a WR is retarded

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1349644022' post='1180599']
Yea I'm done with this league.. 50 points to a WR is retarded
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So are you interested in trading Foster?

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1349642598' post='1180520']
How is it bull? We all vie for the same free agents. Savvy owners pick up free agents just to stop other owners from getting them. How is vetoing a trade because not only do you think it's unfair but it'll help a divisional foe get better that different? And really, there's really no guarantee your trade would have helped you "kill" anyone.

I wasn't mad at all. I thought the trade was too one-sided. I vetoed it.
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I was happy with my pickup of Santana Moss this week. I had to start him because of all my byes and he got me 16 points. I had waiver 8 this week so half the league didn't want him.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1349644070' post='1180602']
So are you interested in trading Foster?
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im so vetoing this

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349644318' post='1180622']
im so vetoing this
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[JO_75]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1349644318' post='1180622']
im so vetoing this
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haha, well just to let you know I'm out. If you want to keep fighting the trade go on ahead, your all by yourself. Sorry.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1349644556' post='1180644']
haha, well just to let you know I'm out. If you want to keep fighting the trade go on ahead, your all by yourself. Sorry.
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There is no point in fighting it anymore. What is done is done.