Top 10 Quarterbacks In NFL History So Far

[Alexir]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1341683708' post='1096014']
Here are my top 10 QBs in NFL history:

10) Drew Brees
9) Roger Staubach
8) Brett Favre
7) Tom Brady
6) Dan Marino
5) John Elway
4) Peyton Manning
3) Joe Montana
2) Johnny Unitas
1) Steve Young
Give me all the 'you know what' you want about Young, but look at his stats, how long he played, and that Super Bowl he got the 49ers to. He is #1. He and Joe Montana both had Jerry Rice to throw to, so you can't argue there.
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Steve Young at one? Nope. I disagree with you. Otto Graham? Sammy Baugh? Bart Starr? I think you are missing some old timers.

[Alexir]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' timestamp='1341684190' post='1096017']
Not a bad list. Would have Favre higher. Please forget the drama at the end and remember the career lol
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One day the same will be said about Ed Reed.

ESPN bring ups a lot of this drama, they should just merge with TMZ...

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1341838762' post='1096284']

If this is what you say, than you can't include anyone you haven't seen play. I haven't seen Montana, Young, or Marino play except on highlights. So they're off the list?
[/quote]Hence why I haven't done one

[display name]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1341905236' post='1096558']
Hence why I haven't done one
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So you can't make your own list if you refuse them, you can only do current.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1341923693' post='1096576']
So you can't make your own list if you refuse them, you can only do current.
[/quote]im not making one for that percise reason, how can i justify putting montana ahead of young or marino when all i have in front of me is stats, especially when stats arent the be all and end all, as many people here believe, esp when it comes to flacco, yet base lists like this on stats of players they havent seen?

Take your list for example, you have steve youg at one, yet you havent seen him play, and you havent seen unitas play or half your list? why have you steve young at one and not unitas? or anyone else? whats your reason?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1341897982' post='1096549']
Steve Young at one? Nope. I disagree with you. Otto Graham? Sammy Baugh? Bart Starr? I think you are missing some old timers.
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The game was too different back then. Even having Unitas on my list is a stretch, but he really was a transcendent player. He put up some numbers that would be respectable 50 years later which is really saying something. Most of those guys you listed never had a 3,000 yd season, often threw more picks than TDs and could barely complete 55% of their passes. They may have been the best of their era, but its impossible to put them on the same list as a Manning or even Montana IMO.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1341768794' post='1096187']
i like the way im getting 4 negs, but only 2 people have the ability to form a reasonable argument against what im saying, what is the other two peoples argument?
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It's because your argument is pretty bad Arnie. If you dont want to make a list with players you havent seen in person, thats fine, but dont knock someone else's list based on your strange perspective.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1341937627' post='1096665']
It's because your argument is pretty bad Arnie. If you dont want to make a list with players you havent seen in person, thats fine, but dont knock someone else's list based on your strange perspective.
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i havent knocked anyones list, im questioning how they can make one when they havent seen half or 3/4 of their list play.

Hows it a bad arguement? Did you comment on players heading into the draft you havent seen play? Did you say i want this guy without having seen him? I know i didnt, people talked about these names prior to the draft and if i hadnt seen them i hadnt commented, and i know a lot of other people didnt comment either, because they hadnt seen them, im sure your one of them. So how is this different?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1341938894' post='1096674']
i havent knocked anyones list, im questioning how they can make one when they havent seen half or 3/4 of their list play.

Hows it a bad arguement? Did you comment on players heading into the draft you havent seen play? Did you say i want this guy without having seen him? I know i didnt, people talked about these names prior to the draft and if i hadnt seen them i hadnt commented, and i know a lot of other people didnt comment either, because they hadnt seen them, im sure your one of them. So how is this different?
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The draft is completely different. Those are players who have never played a snap of professional football. We are talking about players who have complete [b][i]Hall of Fame [/i][/b]careers. Having seen them play in person has no bearing on their greatness. Besides there is a lot of film out there that people can watch and see just how good these QBs actually were. The only player who I havent seen a ton of film on is Unitas, and like others have said....he is a legend. Just his stats speak volumes. Maybe it's different if you didnt grow up around Baltimore.

[arnie_uk]

I understand the other side of my arguement completely, i just couldnt bring myself to crown unitas as the greatest, ie no.1 over a marino, or young/mantana etc, when all im judging it on would be stats. Im not a fan of basing my opinion of off other peoples opinions (albeit 90% of the footballing population) which in reality, is what every one here is doing in a way.

[display name]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1341924141' post='1096577']
im not making one for that percise reason, how can i justify putting montana ahead of young or marino when all i have in front of me is stats, especially when stats arent the be all and end all, as many people here believe, esp when it comes to flacco, yet base lists like this on stats of players they havent seen?

Take your list for example, you have steve youg at one, yet you havent seen him play, and you havent seen unitas play or half your list? why have you steve young at one and not unitas? or anyone else? [b]whats your reason?[/b]
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Stats. Montana was injured late in his career. As for Unitas, he put up those numbers before the 1978 rule changes.

I think we'd all like for NFL Films to put up a full game of Young, Montana, or Unitas so we can actually get our own opinions.

[Hjulmann]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1341950863' post='1096785']
I understand the other side of my arguement completely, i just couldnt bring myself to crown unitas as the greatest, ie no.1 over a marino, or young/mantana etc, when all im judging it on would be stats. Im not a fan of basing my opinion of off other peoples opinions (albeit 90% of the footballing population) which in reality, is what every one here is doing in a way.
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There's a fine line between understanding the other side of an argument and respecting the other side of an argument. It's not that you're getting negs for not wanting to make a list of your personal top 10, instead you're getting negs for wanting US not to make a top ten.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Montana was also known for being clutch. Combine the rings he has that Marino does not and the stats he had that Elway and Aikman didn't, I'd say Joe is probably the best of all time.

Also, this is me forming my [i]own[/i] opinion, based on what I have seen and heard. I was not born yet in the 80s and don't remember the early to mid 90s, but I can still form my own opinion based on what I have learned about history.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1342011736' post='1096960']
Stats. Montana was injured late in his career. As for Unitas, he put up those numbers before the 1978 rule changes.

I think we'd all like for NFL Films to put up a full game of Young, Montana, or Unitas so we can actually get our own opinions.
[/quote]did the 1978 rule changes not make it easier to pass, ie, that makes unitas' achievements even more greater? or am i missing something

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Hjulmann' timestamp='1342015978' post='1096979']
There's a fine line between understanding the other side of an argument and respecting the other side of an argument. It's not that you're getting negs for not wanting to make a list of your personal top 10, instead you're getting negs for wanting US not to make a top ten.
[/quote]fair enough, but i wasnt impying, well i didnt mean to, that you cant make a top 10, i just cant understand how you can.

[berad]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1342026245' post='1097075']
did the 1978 rule changes not make it easier to pass, ie, that makes unitas' achievements even more greater? or am i missing something
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He has Unitas over Montana on his list, you're on the same page.

[Hjulmann]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1342026299' post='1097077']
fair enough, but i wasnt impying, well i didnt mean to, that you cant make a top 10, i just cant understand how you can.
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I'm not making one either, simply cause I haven't read or seen enough stats/highlights from the older quarterbacks, so I can follow you there. That said, people who are older and more knowledgable on the game probably know a lot more about the 80's-90's QB's can easily do that. So yeah, I guess I'm leaving it to them

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1342029823' post='1097133']


He has Unitas over Montana on his list, you're on the same page.
[/quote]ahhh confusion. I asked why he has young at one. I didn't mention Montana. I just assumed he meant young.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Hjulmann' timestamp='1342032052' post='1097154']

I'm not making one either, simply cause I haven't read or seen enough stats/highlights from the older quarterbacks, so I can follow you there. That said, people who are older and more knowledgable on the game probably know a lot more about the 80's-90's QB's can easily do that. So yeah, I guess I'm leaving it to them
[/quote]well one of the people I'm bringing this up with hasn't seen young and Montana play let alone unitas. They have no.more knowledge than me or you

[Hjulmann]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1342051155' post='1097286']
well one of the people I'm bringing this up with hasn't seen young and Montana play let alone unitas. They have no.more knowledge than me or you
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Well I doubt that, cause I don't know anything about the two

[Ravens Lover]

Hopefully Marino gets a vote at some point, even though I feel Unitas is the best and that who I voted for, Marino held almost every passing record in the book, until Peyton and Favre broke em, and he did it in a different less pass happy age, don't let the zero SBs take away from this guys greatness

[wayne]

Arnie makes a reasonable point b/c stats along, including championships is not the " all be all " of ranking a QB. On the flip side, getting knowledge from others who have actually seen them play combined with stats, records, and SB's, one could generate a formula on who they feel was the best.

[cobrajet]

1. Joe Montana
2. Tom Brady (I know, I know)
3. Johnny Unitas (Yes, I saw him play)
4. Peyton Manning
5. Steve Young
6. Dan Marino
7. Bart Starr
8. Brett Favre
9. Roger Staubach
10.Fran Tarkenton

I am sorry but Elway is never going to be on any list of mine and if he was it would be deleted by the mods. Besides he played in some of the most embarassing blowout losses in Super Bowl history.

[bpytnjr58]

Unitas #1 Bart Starr #1A Marino Manning Montana Elway....The rest pick em. I grew up watching Unitas vs Starr

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1342385028' post='1098434']
1. Joe Montana
2. Tom Brady (I know, I know)
3. Johnny Unitas (Yes, I saw him play)
4. Peyton Manning
5. Steve Young
6. Dan Marino
7. Bart Starr
8. Brett Favre
9. Roger Staubach
10.Fran Tarkenton

I am sorry but Elway is never going to be on any list of mine and if he was it would be deleted by the mods. Besides he played in some of the most embarassing blowout losses in Super Bowl history.
[/quote] So did Jim Kelly and they are both HOFers. Elway was basically the reason they even made it to those Super Bowls..who else was really on those Broncos teams that were superstars? The two he won he had great talent around him on both sides of the ball. There will never be any love with the fans of Baltimore and Elway...just my opinion.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1342385028' post='1098434']
1. Joe Montana
2. Tom Brady (I know, I know)
3. Johnny Unitas (Yes, I saw him play)
4. Peyton Manningi
5. Steve Young
6. Dan Marino
7. Bart Starr
8. Brett Favre
9. Roger Staubach
10.Fran Tarkenton

I am sorry but Elway is never going to be on any list of mine and if he was it would be deleted by the mods. Besides he played in some of the most embarassing blowout losses in Super Bowl history.
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Elway was pretty brutal but he got better as his career went along. He did win 2 superbowls.

[cobrajet]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1342559735' post='1099781']
Elway was pretty brutal but he got better as his career went along. He did win 2 superbowls.
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Yeah but you do understand why an older guy from Baltimore could never have Elway on a top ten quarterback list right? Just like someone from San Diego would probably not have Eli Manning on their list. When they diss your hometown team they are written off forever! Don't even get me started on the Irsay family, it would be way too ugly and I may lose my priviledge to be on this site

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1342574996' post='1099880']
Yeah but you do understand why an older guy from Baltimore could never have Elway on a top ten quarterback list right? Just like someone from San Diego would probably not have Eli Manning on their list. When they diss your hometown team they are written off forever! Don't even get me started on the Irsay family, it would be way too ugly and I may lose my priviledge to be on this site
[/quote] I am an older guy from Baltimore who remembers that snowy night in 1984....I hated Elway his rookie year for not wanting to be a Colt but after they moved away i looked at Elway a lot different. He made a very WISE choice. I agree with you 110% on the Irsay family but i got over the Elway thing quickly.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1342574996' post='1099880']

Yeah but you do understand why an older guy from Baltimore could never have Elway on a top ten quarterback list right? Just like someone from San Diego would probably not have Eli Manning on their list. When they diss your hometown team they are written off forever! Don't even get me started on the Irsay family, it would be way too ugly and I may lose my priviledge to be on this site
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Understand completely. What Elway did to Baltimore is slimy, and thats putting it lightly.

[Alexir]

Brett Favre is my favorite player in NFL history. Played with a passion, he really loved the game. Many records broken, and he was an Iron man. I will never knock a player for flip flopping with retirement because when you love something so much it is hard to walk away and it wasnt his fault ESPN made it such a huge deal.