2012-2013 NBA Season Thread

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Just got an email from the NBA Store saying "Get Your Heat Championship Gear!"

 

I'm so mad

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

At least we get Rose, Kobe, and Rondo back in 2k13 lol 

[berad]

cough bull cough cough

What's the real issue again? Bosh and Wade only give average production and James, being the best player, carries the team with some role players chipping in.

The disparity between other teams isn't that huge.

[1/28/01]

What's the real issue again? Bosh and Wade only give average production and James, being the best player, carries the team with some role players chipping in.

The disparity between other teams isn't that huge.

Just some run of the mill bitterness.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Spurs played a phenomenal series!

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Shane Battier had a 112.5% TS% tonight

[The Oakland Cathedral]

What's the real issue again? Bosh and Wade only give average production and James, being the best player, carries the team with some role players chipping in.

The disparity between other teams isn't that huge.

I would say Bosh well below average production tonight lol. Hell, a fair amount f the year.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Shane Battier had a 112.5% TS% tonight

Very nice lol

[RavensFan34950]

This year has been AWESOME for me. First Alabama. Then the Ravens. Now the Heat. Nothing to complain about.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

What's the real issue again? Bosh and Wade only give average production and James, being the best player, carries the team with some role players chipping in.

The disparity between other teams isn't that huge.

 

I disagree, 27 PPG for the #1 option and 21 PPG for a number 2 option is a huge disparity between every other team (besides the Thunder).

 

Then you add on 17 PPG for the #3 option. 

 

Playing defense you have to account for all of these things. Even when Wade and Bosh aren't shooting well, you have to respect their game or you're going to get toasted.

 

Let's face it, the Heat will probably win as many championships as they want. Seem like this is what the league wants. I hate it.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

This year has been AWESOME for me. First Alabama. Then the Ravens. Now the Heat. Nothing to complain about.

Unfortunately the canes lost and the braves aren't in the World Series yet and of course the Florida panthers still suck...2/5 ain't bad though!

[berad]

I disagree, 27 PPG for the #1 option and 21 PPG for a number 2 option is a huge disparity between every other team (besides the Thunder).
 
Then you add on 17 PPG for the #3 option. 
 
Playing defense you have to account for all of these things. Even when Wade and Bosh aren't shooting well, you have to respect their game or you're going to get toasted.

Yet they were taken to seven games and blown out a few times by the Pacers and the Spurs

[easternshore97]

This year has been AWESOME for me. First Alabama. Then the Ravens. Now the Heat. Nothing to complain about.

Tell the truth. Are Miami sports fans legit?

 

Word on the street is that they aren't

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Tell the truth. Are Miami sports fans legit?

Word on the street is that they aren't

A lot of them aren't but there are a significant amount that are.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Yet they were taken to seven games and blown out a few times by the Pacers and the Spurs

 

Lol, they were also taken to 7 games by the beat up old Celtics last year. In every single one of those cases they played half speed, then turned it on when they need to. 

[luvrayrice27]

I think LeBron makes any team amazing. LeBron could go to any team and they are automatically that team is a playoff contender. If Lebron weren't in Miami, I don't think wade and bosh could pull any of this off therefore I don't agree with the whole idea that a lot of people have about how its unfair that LeBron, wade, and bosh are playing together. I just think LeBron will spoil any team and therefore its easy to build around him

[Ed_Reed20]

What's the real issue again? Bosh and Wade only give average production and James, being the best player, carries the team with some role players chipping in.

The disparity between other teams isn't that huge.

 

He struggled for much of the play-offs but when healthy, Wade provides more than average production. 

[SecretAgentMan]

He struggled for much of the play-offs but when healthy, Wade provides more than average production.

Check the nba game thread

[berad]

Lol, they were also taken to 7 games by the beat up old Celtics last year. In every single one of those cases they played half speed, then turned it on when they need to.

You're making the point that the disparity isn't that big if all these teams can put them on the ropes. They're beatable. Just because they're the best team in the league doesn't make it unfair.

[berad]

He struggled for much of the play-offs but when healthy, Wade provides more than average production.

Hahah well that's my problem, then. I only really watch playoff basketball so that was the extent of what I saw. Wade did not look good for a lot of the post-season.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

You're making the point that the disparity isn't that big if all these teams can put them on the ropes. They're beatable. Just because they're the best team in the league doesn't make it unfair.

 

My point is that it's clear that they can dominate whenever they feel like turning it on.  Lebron's supporting cast is not close to the average supporting cast. It's not that it's unfair, it's just the way they were assembled goes against good team building. There's not one team in history built through free agency in such a way. Those 3 took the easy road, and I don't see any other way to look at it. 

[Ed_Reed20]

Hahah well that's my problem, then. I only really watch playoff basketball so that was the extent of what I saw. Wade did not look good for a lot of the post-season.

 

He definitely didn't. The bone spurs in his right knee really bothered him. Just one example of his importance to the team's success was during the 27-game winning streak where he scored at least 20 in the 25 games he appeared in.  

[berad]

He definitely didn't. The bone spurs in his right knee really bothered him. Just one example of his importance to the team's success was during the 27-game winning streak where he scored at least 20 in the 25 games he appeared in.

Okay, that makes more sense. I had no clue, I wasn't watching haha.

My point is that it's clear that they can dominate whenever they feel like turning it on.  Lebron's supporting cast is not close to the average supporting cast. It's not that it's unfair, it's just the way they were assembled goes against good team building. There's not one team in history built through free agency in such a way. Those 3 took the easy road, and I don't see any other way to look at it.

Easy road as in sacrificing personal statistics, money for more wins? It's okay, it's a free league. Other players can do it. The Celtics did something very similar and netted rings.

[Gordo52]

Congrats to the Heat for being in the exclusive club of winning a championship in 2012/13.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Okay, that makes more sense. I had no clue, I wasn't watching haha.


Easy road as in sacrificing personal statistics, money for more wins? It's okay, it's a free league. Other players can do it. The Celtics did something very similar and netted rings.

 

I never understand why people say this.  The WORST player in the Heat's big 3 was averaging more points than the Celtics' best player when their big 3 was assembled. All three of those players were in their 30's and the downswing of their career, not their mid 20's and in their prime. Plus, the Celtics gave up valuable assets including a top 5 pick, another first round pick, Jeff Green, Delonte West, Al Jefferson, Sebastian Telfair, and Wally Szczerbiak. Given in retrospect, they definitely won the deal, it's not like they didn't give something up at the time. What did the Heat do? They cleared cap space. Not exactly a difficult management feat when 5 other teams were able to do so in the same off-season to compete for Lebron. You can't blame the Heat for taking what fell in their lap, but to say there is little disparity between them and other teams doesn't make much sense to me. 

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I never understand why people say this. The WORST player in the Heat's big 3 was averaging more points than the Celtics' best player when their big 3 was assembled. All three of those players were in their 30's and the downswing of their career, not their mid 20's and in their prime. Plus, the Celtics gave up valuable assets including a top 5 pick, another first round pick, Jeff Green, Delonte West, Al Jefferson, Sebastian Telfair, and Wally Szczerbiak. Given in retrospect, they definitely won the deal, it's not like they didn't give something up at the time. What did the Heat do? They cleared cap space. Not exactly a difficult management feat when 5 other teams were able to do so in the same off-season to compete for Lebron. You can't blame the Heat for taking what fell in their lap, but to say there is little disparity between them and other teams doesn't make much sense to me.

Actually the heat gave up a bunch of picks for Lebron...

[easternshore97]

My point is that it's clear that they can dominate whenever they feel like turning it on.  Lebron's supporting cast is not close to the average supporting cast. It's not that it's unfair, it's just the way they were assembled goes against good team building. There's not one team in history built through free agency in such a way. Those 3 took the easy road, and I don't see any other way to look at it. 

Why not free agency? It's not like they get a different salary cap number to work with

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Actually the heat gave up a bunch of picks for Lebron...

 

I guess, but two late firsts, two late seconds, and the ability to swap out their lottery pick with a late first round is basically nothing for the best player in the world in his prime

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Why not free agency? It's not like they get a different salary cap number to work with

 

Again, not blaming the Heat management for taking what fell in their lap. 

[berad]

I never understand why people say this.  The WORST player in the Heat's big 3 was averaging more points than the Celtics' best player when their big 3 was assembled. All three of those players were in their 30's and the downswing of their career, not their mid 20's and in their prime. Plus, the Celtics gave up valuable assets including a top 5 pick, another first round pick, Jeff Green, Delonte West, Al Jefferson, Sebastian Telfair, and Wally Szczerbiak. Given in retrospect, they definitely won the deal, it's not like they didn't give something up at the time. What did the Heat do? They cleared cap space. Not exactly a difficult management feat when 5 other teams were able to do so in the same off-season to compete for Lebron. You can't blame the Heat for taking what fell in their lap, but to say there is little disparity between them and other teams doesn't make much sense to me. 

The Heat gave up a lot for their offseason, too. I said it was similar, not exactly the same, and it got them similar results.

Again, what exactly is the issue? It just seems like residual grumpiness over the outcome of the series.