Can Anyone Explain Ben Grubbs?

[The Raven]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339718343' post='1089902']
Webb was huge. I would have started a strike if we didn't re-sign him. But I think Grubbs was also huge. The thing is - we don't have anyone to replace him. It's sorta of like quitting a job before you have another one. Better keep it so you can bring home bacon. Think we porked ourselves letting Grubbs go.
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I'll be honest and say I'd rather have Grubbs than Rice, but I can't argue with the front office's decision. I feel like we'd be in a much better situation if we had let Rice go and retained Grubbs.

[RAYvenFan20]

didnt grubbs leave for a miniscual amount more $ that the saints offered?

[JO_75]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339718343' post='1089902']
Webb was huge. I would have started a strike if we didn't re-sign him. But I think Grubbs was also huge. The thing is - [b]we don't have anyone to replace him.[/b] It's sorta of like quitting a job before you have another one. Better keep it so you can bring home bacon. Think we porked ourselves letting Grubbs go.
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2nd Round Pick Kelechi Osemele says hi.

[757RavensFan]

I'm sure Grubbs is kicking himself for signing with what is now that train wreck called the Saints.

[EternalRavensDefense]

Interesting, a Wizard1 thread in which he doesn't bash Flacco right away, who knew that was possible.

Anyway, Ben Grubbs leaving is the same as Jason Brown leaving after 2008. Both guys wanted more money than the Ravens were willing to give them. Jason Brown got a lesson with the Rams never making the playoffs while he was there and he got benched. Now, he is a free agent with nobody wanting him anymore.

Considering Jason Brown was more important than Ben Grubbs due to him being a center and Grubbs being a guard, the Ravens have been able to make the playoffs without Brown. Indeed, the Ravens survived Grubbs being out for six games last year and still almost made it to the super bowl with him playing badly against the Texans and Patriots.

So, I don't understand why you are worrying so much in June when the season is three months away.

[redrum52]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1339720283' post='1089932']
I'm sure Grubbs is kicking himself for signing with what is now that train wreck called the Saints.
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I don't think he cares and I wouldn't either. I wasn't apart of it and I get to block for Brees who I know will be playing by the start of the season. I also get more money and away from Cam Cameron. Life is actually looking pretty good me if I'm Ben Grubbs.

[K-Dog]

this sorts of things have happened to us before and things have panned out well.

yes it was a significant loss but hardly one that we can not over come.

[hawkprey]

Pro Bowl isn't one all-inclusive word for "great". McKinnie's a Pro Bowler. Andre Gurode is a Pro Bowler. Grubbs made the Pro Bowl before but he was not great enough to be kept.

[black blood purple passion]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339716992' post='1089874']
[b]Ok-then if it is only salary cap issues then doesn't that mean we don't sign Rice/Reed/Flacco et. al[/b]. Most teams only have one player needing deals. We have several. This eventually has to end badly. The last thing this organization needs is mental diversions.
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you're correct on that. If they signed Ray Rice this here, he'd be making a couple hundred thousand this year (in order to stay under the cap), then millions and millions in later years assuming, other big contract guys retire(sugar, ed, Birk, etc), freeing up cap.

Right now we have nothing, and if we go over, we get penalized.

Its not that we didn't want to, we couldn't. If we had that kind of money, why not sign everyone else's pro bowlers as well as ours and win a superbowl? Because this is the NFL not madden.

[Suggs Package]

The fact is that the front office must have thought that Grubbs simply wasn't worth the money he demanded. Otherwise, they would have tried to restructure contracts, cut players, use the Franchise tag etc, to try to sign Grubbs.

Also being in Louisiana allows him to be closer to home so maybe he was going to leave regardless of the money. Who knows.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1339720800' post='1089939']


I don't think he cares and I wouldn't either. I wasn't apart of it and I get to block for Brees who I know will be playing by the start of the season. I also get more money and away from Cam Cameron. Life is actually looking pretty good me if I'm Ben Grubbs.
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Money isn't everything. No head coach for a year, assistant coach gone for 1st 6 games, teammates suspended, your QB probably doesn't sign until mid summer. Yeah, I'm sure he misses the stable environment of Bmore!

[redrum52]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1339722937' post='1089959']


Money isn't everything. No head coach for a year, assistant coach gone for 1st 6 games, teammates suspended, your QB probably doesn't sign until mid summer. Yeah, I'm sure he misses the stable environment of Bmore!
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I guess, but he now plays in a dome at least 9 times out the year in a less physical division with a hall of fame qb. He's also still on a contender. I don't think the loss of the HC makes that Mich of a difference. Spags was a HC too and can help in that aspect.

[1/28/01]

This thread is chock full of win! Love it!

[cobrajet]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339718343' post='1089902']
Webb was huge. I would have started a strike if we didn't re-sign him. But I think Grubbs was also huge. The thing is - we don't have anyone to replace him. It's sorta of like quitting a job before you have another one. Better keep it so you can bring home bacon. Think we porked ourselves letting Grubbs go.
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I think this might blow your mind, but I think Williams will be just as good once he learns our system. Grubbs was a good player but maybe a bit overrated, as I have seen him struggle at times. I actually thought Gurode did a decent job filling in when Grubbs got hurt even though he only played guard a few times as he was a pro-bowl center. Grubbs was after a big payday and could have taken less to stay here, and yes he was offered decent money from the FO, but he choose to go elswhere. He got manhandled a few times. I am much happier they signed Yanda. I know we have issues in our o-line, but honestly it will not be at RG. Oher struggles at tackle, McKinnie is servicable, but we need to find his replacement fairly soon, and I have serious doubts about whether Birk can hold up another year.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1339727415' post='1089986']
I think this might blow your mind, but I think Williams will be just as good once he learns our system. Grubbs was a good player but maybe a bit overrated, as I have seen him struggle at times. I actually thought Gurode did a decent job filling in when Grubbs got hurt even though he only played guard a few times as he was a pro-bowl center. Grubbs was after a big payday and could have taken less to stay here, and yes he was offered decent money from the FO, but he choose to go elswhere. He got manhandled a few times. I am much happier they signed Yanda. I know we have issues in our o-line, but honestly it will not be at RG. Oher struggles at tackle, McKinnie is servicable, but we need to find his replacement fairly soon, and I have serious doubts about whether Birk can hold up another year.
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I stopped reading when Gurode did a good job.

[Alexir]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339714858' post='1089849']
I wish someone would logically explain how we lost Pro Bowler Ben Grubbs. I understand he left for greener pastures but why didn't we re-sign him? This was a 1st round draft pick for us and one of the best players on our team. Now we are scrambling to fill his spot with old worn out veterans and rookies. Does anyone see what a huge mistake this was? Is this what all our !st round draft picks can expect? Come On Man
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They tagged a RB instead of the LG. I hate it too but it is what it is.

[Moderator 2]

They also paid Yanda can't afford both.

[mhead66]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1339727415' post='1089986']
I think this might blow your mind, but I think [b]Williams will be just as good once he learns our system[/b]. Grubbs was a good player but maybe a bit overrated, as I have seen him struggle at times. I actually thought Gurode did a decent job filling in when Grubbs got hurt even though he only played guard a few times as he was a pro-bowl center. Grubbs was after a big payday and could have taken less to stay here, and yes he was offered decent money from the FO, but he choose to go elswhere. He got manhandled a few times. I am much happier they signed Yanda. I know we have issues in our o-line, but honestly it will not be at RG. [b]Oher struggles at tackle, McKinnie is servicable, but we need to find his replacement fairly soon, and I have serious doubts about whether Birk can hold up another year.[/b]
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Agreed.

Short term, we are fine on the OLine. We have 5 experienced starters, all of whom are capable.

But the FO better hope and pray some of the inexperienced players develop into starter-quality material, and soon. McKinnie is 32 and is (again) struggling with conditioning, Birk is 35 and fragile, Williams is 35 and Oher & Yanda are solid.

Behind our 5 starters... Osemele, Reid, Gino, Boren and Harewood have [b]ZERO[/b] NFL starts among them.

We will need to replace 3 of the 5 starters in the next year or two... and that's not including injuries. As players get into their 30s, they're more prone to injury. We just better hope that K.O., Reid and Gino display the level of talent that made them 2nd-4th rounders...

[757RavensFan]

Out of curiosity, why isn't this in the "Other NFL Teams" forum?? Grubbs is no longer a Raven.

[The Raven]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1339765107' post='1090101']
Out of curiosity, why isn't this in the "Other NFL Teams" forum?? Grubbs is no longer a Raven.
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I guess because it's discussing why we couldn't keep Grubbs and how we are going to replace him, rather than Grubbs being in New Orleans.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1339767868' post='1090114']
I guess because it's discussing why we couldn't keep Grubbs and how we are going to replace him, rather than Grubbs being in New Orleans.
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Yep.

[killaflacco]

we can blame all of our cap problems on the Ngata deal.theres abosutely no reason for him to be making 18M in a single season.thats elite qb type of money not dt money.

[baltravens]

I do not have any problem showing players who do not want to be Ravens the door. I can name three right off: Sam Adams, Jason Brown, and now Ben Grubbs.

[redrum52]

[quote name='killaflacco' timestamp='1339773193' post='1090156']
we can blame all of our cap problems on the Ngata deal.theres abosutely no reason for him to be making 18M in a single season.thats elite qb type of money not dt money.
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You want to see our defense fall apart take Ngata out the line up. I'm not mad at the deal because I think after this season there is a significant drop in his cap. I think it was done because at the time it was better to front load while we had the cap room so we could get future deals done. Ray and Ed will be gone soon saving millions. Also, most of our oline will be replaced soon. There is a good chance next year the whole left aide of the line might be new with Bryant, Bobbie and Matt possibly retiring or just being benched for youth.

[ellicottraven]

Well to begin with he is a very big, strong man who used to be with the Ravens and now is with the Saints for more money than we were willing to pay or could afford under the salary cap.....

[FerrariFan87]

The Ravens made him a very fair offer, but with Rice and Flacco due big paydays, it didn't make sense long-term. His presence will be missed.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='killaflacco' timestamp='1339773193' post='1090156']
we can blame all of our cap problems on the Ngata deal.theres abosutely no reason for him to be making 18M in a single season.thats elite qb type of money not dt money.
[/quote]Thats incorrect, i know what website your using.. you see that 10 mil bonus it says he gets this year? and they count it all towards this years cap. thats wrong, for cap purposes, that bonus is split over the remaining 4 years, so only 2.5mil off that 10 is for the year. So his cap figure is (18-10+2.5) $10.5 for the year.

Well to be excat, he got a $25 mil signing bonus split over 5 years, so $5mil for this year, plus his $2.9 mil salary for this year plus the $2.5 part of the bonus he gets this year is a cap number of $10.4 Mil

[rlh445]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339715498' post='1089855']
No it's not that easy. The fact that our FO was willing to let him go traverses to a deeper problem thats starting to show in unsigned deals that are causing controvery. Where does this salary cap problem end? Who is managing the money?
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Dude, what else did you want the FO to do? What else were they supposed to offer him, a ride on a space shuttle?! They gave him the highest offer they could, he didn't bite and went on to the Saints who were willing to pay him a WHOPPING three million more..which says to me that Grubbs was going no matter what. I'm sure that if you go up to the Castle and offer your obviously superior accounting services, they'll let you straighten out that pesky salary cap.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1339779033' post='1090200']
Dude, what else did you want the FO to do? What else were they supposed to offer him, a ride on a space shuttle?! They gave him the highest offer they could, he didn't bite and went on to the Saints who were willing to pay him a WHOPPING three million more..which says to me that Grubbs was going no matter what. I'm sure that if you go up to the Castle and offer your obviously superior accounting services, they'll let you straighten out that pesky salary cap.
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I love how people here pretend that 3 million dollars isn't a lot of real money.

[gabefergy]

The problem is the FO is too good at what they do and we have too many top tier talents. They all deserve top money and the contracts add up: Lewis, Reed, Suggs, Ngata, webb, yanda, flacco, rice, etc...these are all top players. Cant keep them all especially when they are willing to lrave for a few extra bucks.