Can Anyone Explain Ben Grubbs?

[wizard1]

I wish someone would logically explain how we lost Pro Bowler Ben Grubbs. I understand he left for greener pastures but why didn't we re-sign him? This was a 1st round draft pick for us and one of the best players on our team. Now we are scrambling to fill his spot with old worn out veterans and rookies. Does anyone see what a huge mistake this was? Is this what all our !st round draft picks can expect? Come On Man

[rmw10]

He wanted more money than the FO was willing to spend on him. It's that easy.

[The Raven]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339714858' post='1089849']
I wish someone would logically explain how we lost Pro Bowler Ben Grubbs. I understand he left for greener pastures but why didn't we re-sign him? This was a 1st round draft pick for us and one of the best players on our team. Now we are scrambling to fill his spot with old worn out veterans and rookies. Does anyone see what a huge mistake this was? Is this what all our !st round draft picks can expect? Come On Man
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Take a look at our cap, and then come back to this thread.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1339714978' post='1089850']
He wanted more money than the FO was ABLE to spend on him. It's that easy.
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Fixed that for you.

[rmw10]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1339715117' post='1089852']
Fixed that for you.
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That too. I honestly don't think they would have given him too much more if we had more cap room, though. He wanted more than Yanda, who by all counts is the superior lineman for the type of offense we run.

[wizard1]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1339714978' post='1089850']
He wanted more money than the FO was willing to spend on him. It's that easy.
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No it's not that easy. The fact that our FO was willing to let him go traverses to a deeper problem thats starting to show in unsigned deals that are causing controvery. Where does this salary cap problem end? Who is managing the money?

[Gordo52]

Money. $$$

[wizard1]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1339715117' post='1089852']
Fixed that for you.
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Ok then if everything is all fixed then our offensive line should be fixed as well right?

[rmw10]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339715498' post='1089855']
No it's not that easy. The fact that our FO was willing to let him go traverses to a deeper problem thats starting to show in unsigned deals that are causing controvery. Where does this salary cap problem end? Who is managing the money?
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As Mod 3 pointed out, $ is an issue as well. We don't sign most of the people we did this offseason if we had Grubbs' contract in the books. No Corey Graham, Jacoby Jones, BA, etc. who may not seem like huge signings, but are great depth and ST guys.

[The Raven]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339715498' post='1089855']
No it's not that easy. The fact that our FO was willing to let him go traverses to a deeper problem thats starting to show in unsigned deals that are causing controvery. Where does this salary cap problem end? Who is managing the money?
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Actually, it is that easy. We were just unable to retain him due to our cap. It's a very simple concept.

[PurpleReign92]

Solid Offensive lineman you can line him up at Right Tackle, Right Guard or Left Guard...
Servicable Left tackle but solid run blocker about the best in the league and he will be missed...

[wizard1]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1339715735' post='1089860']
Actually, it is that easy. We were just unable to retain him due to our cap. It's a very simple concept.
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Well I thought the concept was to win Super Bowls. How does that concept work when we are unwilling to sign our pro-bowlers?

[The Raven]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1339715918' post='1089862']
Solid Offensive lineman you can line him up at Right Tackle, Right Guard or Left Guard...
Servicable Left tackle but solid run blocker about the best in the league and he will be missed...
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What...?

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339715996' post='1089863']
Well I thought the concept was to win Super Bowls. How does that concept work when we are unwilling to sign our pro-bowlers?
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The rules also say you have to stay within the salary cap... Are you serious?

[wizard1]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1339715918' post='1089862']
Solid Offensive lineman you can line him up at Right Tackle, Right Guard or Left Guard...
Servicable Left tackle but solid run blocker about the best in the league and he will be missed...
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Thanks PurpleReign-I don't think many see what mistake letting him go really means. The Saints gobbled him up in a New York second and he walked out like a warrior with nothing but good things to say about the Ravens. He will be a pro bowler for years to come.

[rmw10]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1339715918' post='1089862']
Solid Offensive lineman you can line him up at Right Tackle, Right Guard or Left Guard...
Servicable Left tackle but solid run blocker about the best in the league and he will be missed...
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Grubbs has not played T in the NFL for more than a couple of plays, if that. He was a great player in his time here, but you're completely off-base in this comment.

[redrum52]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339715996' post='1089863']


Well I thought the concept was to win Super Bowls. How does that concept work when we are unwilling to sign our pro-bowlers?
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When you draft really well you come to points when you have to make decisions on retaining players. There are more important players than Grubbs. We can't keep everyone. We have Rice and Flacco that need to be done next year. Codys contract will be up in 2 years, Oher and Krugers contracts are also about to expire. Due to the cap you need to be smart about which players you keep. The better question is why don't we start trading players close to the end of their contract so we get something besides a compensatory pick in return.

[wizard1]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1339716257' post='1089864']
What...?



The rules also say you have to stay within the salary cap... Are you serious?
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Ok-then if it is only salary cap issues then doesn't that mean we don't sign Rice/Reed/Flacco et. al. Most teams only have one player needing deals. We have several. This eventually has to end badly. The last thing this organization needs is mental diversions.

[codizzle]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1339715918' post='1089862']
Solid Offensive lineman you can line him up at Right Tackle, Right Guard or Left Guard...
Servicable Left tackle but solid run blocker about the best in the league and he will be missed...
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Come again?

[wizard1]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1339716683' post='1089870']
When you draft really well you come to points when you have to make decisions on retaining players. There are more important players than Grubbs. We can't keep everyone. We have Rice and Flacco that need to be done next year. Codys contract will be up in 2 years, Oher and Krugers contracts are also about to expire. Due to the cap you need to be smart about which players you keep. The better question is why don't we start trading players close to the end of their contract so we get something besides a compensatory pick in return.
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Good point here but it doesn't explain letting a pro bowler go. As far as I know we didn't even try to negotiate with Grubbs we knew he needed a new deal last year.

[rmw10]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339716992' post='1089874']
Ok-then if it is only salary cap issues then doesn't that mean we don't sign Rice/Reed/Flacco et. al. Most teams only have one player needing deals. We have several. This eventually has to end badly. The last thing this organization needs is mental diversions.
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No, we let Grubbs walk in order to pay Flacco, Rice, etc. We can't possibly pay everyone, so Grubbs was the odd man out. You just contradicted yourself.

[JO_75]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339716992' post='1089874']
Ok-then if it is only salary cap issues then doesn't that mean we don't sign Rice/Reed/Flacco et. al. Most teams only have one player needing deals. We have several. This eventually has to end badly. The last thing this organization needs is mental diversions.
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Another reason we let Grubbs go. We sign Grubbs, who do we lose because of giving Grubbs the money he wanted. We pay Grubbs, we risk having no cap to sign Rice or Joe. Both are corner stones to this team and the future, Grubbs meanwhile plays a position where we can look and replace him with a rookie. I think Osemele will surprise a lot of people at Left Guard this year.

[The Raven]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339716992' post='1089874']
Ok-then if it is only salary cap issues then doesn't that mean we don't sign Rice/Reed/Flacco et. al. Most teams only have one player needing deals. We have several. This eventually has to end badly. The last thing this organization needs is mental diversions.
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Not even! Are you kidding? No, we chose to sign Flacco and Rice [i]instead of Grubbs[/i], we couldn't afford all three, but we can afford the two of them.

What mental diversions? The only possible mental diversions are Rice holding out for more money than he's worth and Ed being Ed. And the second isn't even a real concern, as much as it peeves me off.

Most teams don't have more than one player needing deals? Lol, what? They don't? Sure they do! Smh! And, I guess thats the curse of taking two good players in the same draft class. If thats a problem, then its a problem I'm willing to deal with, and obviously, the FO is happy to deal with that problem as well.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339717174' post='1089878']
Good point here but it doesn't explain letting a pro bowler go. As far as I know we didn't even try to negotiate with Grubbs we knew he needed a new deal last year.
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The Ravens do so good at drafting, it makes it very hard to resign all our probowl players. From my understanding the Ravens and Grubbs were 7-10 million of guaranteed money apart to making a new deal.

It's not as huge of a loss as you think. Yes pro bowl players are hard to replace, but fortuantly for us it was only at RG. One of the easiest positions on the O-line to replace.

So do not worry. Ozzie knows what he's doing.

[redrum52]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1339717174' post='1089878']


Good point here but it doesn't explain letting a pro bowler go. As far as I know we didn't even try to negotiate with Grubbs we knew he needed a new deal last year.
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We tried,but he wantee more than we could offer. You have to look at it like this, why would the Saints let go of Nicks? They tried to keep him, but were outbid by Tue Bucs and in turn, we were outbid by the Saints. If yhere is anyone you should Br mad at its the Bucs for giving Nicks so much cash and setting the bar so high for us to compete with. Remember, the organization has to think about expiring contracts as well when trying to renegotiate with people.

[PurpleReign92]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1339717173' post='1089877']
Come again?
[/quote]I'm surprised that Rex Ryan didn't gobble him up before the sain't did!

[Ray Ray Ravens]

Everyone is also forgetting about the Webb extension we got done this year on top of Rice and Flacco.

[redrum52]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1339717769' post='1089894']
Everyone is also forgetting about the Webb extension we got done this year on top of Rice and Flacco.
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I remembered it but he's not making much more than he was on the tender. It might actually have saved us a little money this year.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1339717981' post='1089897']
I remembered it but he's not making much more than he was on the tender. It might actually have saved us a little money this year.
[/quote]Yea but we really didnt know what that was gonna take when Grubbs walked.

[JO_75]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1339717375' post='1089883']
Not even! Are you kidding? No, we chose to sign Flacco and Rice [i]instead of Grubbs[/i], we couldn't afford all three, but we can afford the two of them.

What mental diversions? The only possible mental diversions are Rice holding out for more money than he's worth and Ed being Ed. And the second isn't even a real concern, as much as it peeves me off.

[b]Most teams don't have more than one player needing deals? Lol, what? They don't? Sure they do![/b] Smh! And, I guess thats the curse of taking two good players in the same draft class. If thats a problem, then its a problem I'm willing to deal with, and obviously, the FO is happy to deal with that problem as well.
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I know right, guess he forgot the fact that the Saints had Brees, Colston and Carl Nicks all Free Agents. They chose Brees and Colston over Nicks who like Grubbs, left for more money. Same thing for Houston, they couldn't afford Mario Williams and wasn't going to break the bank for him. Many people seem to forget how good at drafting we are so because of that it makes it easy to replace guys who leave just because they want more money.

[wizard1]

Webb was huge. I would have started a strike if we didn't re-sign him. But I think Grubbs was also huge. The thing is - we don't have anyone to replace him. It's sorta of like quitting a job before you have another one. Better keep it so you can bring home bacon. Think we porked ourselves letting Grubbs go.