Ray Rice Ranked 22 In Top 100

[CalvinSmoke]

This is a good change up from all the RR bashing that's been going on. He is a beast, I'd love to keep him around:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d829cbc78/Ike-Taylor-Domata-Peko-Vonta-Lecah-Maurice-Jones-Drew

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1339636499' post='1089309']
This is a good change up from all the RR bashing that's been going on. He is a beast, I'd love to keep him around:
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d829cbc78/Ike-Taylor-Domata-Peko-Vonta-Lecah-Maurice-Jones-Drew"]http://www.nfl.com/v...rice-Jones-Drew[/url]
[/quote]


He is a beast and I don't think people are bashing him as a player. I'd love for Rice to be a Raven for life man but I'm not willing to pay him AP money to do it.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1339637081' post='1089317']
He is a beast and I don't think people are bashing him as a player. I'd love for Rice to be a Raven for life man but I'm not willing to pay him AP money to do it.
[/quote]I wish we were all thinking like u are, but when people say a rookie and an unproven 2nd year back can replicate his production it's bashing.

But regardless, this thread is for the celebration of Rice!

[ravens rule]

^ I know this dude is one of a kind talent. No one can make plays out of the back field like he can catching the football. Maybe shady or foster.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1339638195' post='1089326']
I wish we were all thinking like u are, [b]but when people say a rookie and an unproven 2nd year back can replicate his production it's bashing.[/b]

But regardless, this thread is for the celebration of Rice!
[/quote]

Who said that? nobody that's who. Ray Rice isn't going to be the only good running back this team produces, when he was drafted nobody thought he would be a 3 down back let alone hold a candle to McGahee. Who's to say Pierce or Allen couldn't become the best HB in the league? just because they're unproven doesn't mean they will amount to nothing in the grand scheme of things, you know this.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1339639388' post='1089333']
[b]Who said that? nobody that's who. Ray Rice isn't going to be the only good running back this team produces[/b], when he was drafted nobody thought he would be a 3 down back let alone hold a candle to McGahee. Who's to say Pierce or Allen couldn't become the best HB in the league? just because they're unproven doesn't mean they will amount to nothing in the grand scheme of things, you know this.
[/quote]That has definitely been said. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it has been said. I'm also aware that B-more has always produced quality backs, I've been a fan from the beginning. But the thing is, our backs always get time on the field before we just spring them on the field. Jamal Lewis split carries with Priest Holmes, Ray Rice split carries with Willis Mcgahee. I'm waiting to see Bernard Pierce or Anthony Allen do some damage on the field before i sip on that kool-aid, that's all I'm saying.

---- Ray Rice for MVP

[Intercepted]

Watching the video reminded me how valuable he is to us

PAY THAT MAN!

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1339640193' post='1089340']
That has definitely been said. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it has been said. I'm also aware that B-more has always produced quality backs, I've been a fan from the beginning. But the thing is, our backs always get time on the field before we just spring them on the field. Jamal Lewis split carries with Priest Holmes, Ray Rice split carries with Willis Mcgahee. I'm waiting to see Bernard Pierce or Anthony Allen do some damage on the field before i sip on that kool-aid, that's all I'm saying.

---- Ray Rice for MVP
[/quote]nody has said that actually.. what they have said is Pierce in his 2ND YEAR, ie after this year splitting carries with RR may be able to duplicate his RUSHING ability... its the pass catching ability that would be missed.

Youve read what you want to see....

[cobrajet]

@Intercepted........I love what Ray Rice can do for us. He has the talent to make big plays when he finds a hole and catching the ball with a little room in front of him - look out. The guy is talented. With that said, if it is fourth and inches at the goal line and the defense stacks the box anticipating a run, he is not the guy who I am going with. Rice is extremely talented and I would hate to lose him, but he is no AP (before the injury - of course). So it bothers me when I read, "just pay the man." Throwing crazy money at one player can end up killing a team. He is owed a fair contract, nothing more.

[Tiz]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1339678711' post='1089456']
@Intercepted........I love what Ray Rice can do for us. He has the talent to make big plays when he finds a hole and catching the ball with a little room in front of him - look out. The guy is talented. With that said, if it is fourth and inches at the goal line and the defense stacks the box anticipating a run, he is not the guy who I am going with. Rice is extremely talented and I would hate to lose him, but he is no AP (before the injury - of course). So it bothers me when I read, "just pay the man." Throwing crazy money at one player can end up killing a team. He is owed a fair contract, nothing more.
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So you are willing to ignore his role in getting the team to the goalline all to make a point that is also false

8 rushing tds from within 5 yrds this yr tells me he is fully capable in short yardage situations but that said you know what rb that was constantly viewed as a goalline problem, barry sanders. There is more to being a great rb and more to being a valuable asset as a rb than just goalline carries. Twice in his short career he has produced more than 2k yards from scrimmage. He is a major force in the league and a catalyst to the offense that's why you consider paying him.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339676612' post='1089430']
nody has said that actually.. what they have said is Pierce in his 2ND YEAR, ie after this year splitting carries with RR may be able to duplicate his RUSHING ability... its the pass catching ability that would be missed.

Youve read what you want to see....
[/quote]ha, if that was what was being said than i take it all back. I may have just been seeing red when i was reading. Thanks Arnie

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Intercepted' timestamp='1339641704' post='1089353']
Watching the video reminded me how valuable he is to us

PAY THAT MAN!
[/quote]

[cobrajet]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1339680918' post='1089477']
So you are willing to ignore his role in getting the team to the goalline all to make a point that is also false

8 rushing tds from within 5 yrds this yr tells me he is fully capable in short yardage situations but that said you know what rb that was constantly viewed as a goalline problem, barry sanders. There is more to being a great rb and more to being a valuable asset as a rb than just goalline carries. Twice in his short career he has produced more than 2k yards from scrimmage. He is a major force in the league and a catalyst to the offense that's why you consider paying him.
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Ignore what and how am I false? I said, "Rice is extremely talented and I would hate to lose him." I take it you are in the "just pay the man" category. I respect your position, just do not agree with it. I do not ignore his role in getting the team to the goalline, I actually admire that, but do not tell me the guy dominates the line of scrimage in goalline situations pounding the ball in (even with Vonta leading the way) because I am saw him this year lose yardage for us when the line was stacked with just inches to claim on several occasions. I am sorry, maybe I am in the minority, but I don't agree he deserves AP money. I saw how Chris Johnson held out for AP money and look how he performed when the team caved. I am sure that a lot of Titans fans said, "just pay the man" while Johnson held out. I am a fan of Rice and know how valuable he is to our offense, but IMHO, I feel that the Ravens have been fair with their offers to him.

[Tiz]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1339685533' post='1089510']

Ignore what and how am I false? I said, "Rice is extremely talented and I would hate to lose him." I take it you are in the "just pay the man" category. I respect your position, just do not agree with it. I do not ignore his role in getting the team to the goalline, I actually admire that, but do not tell me the guy dominates the line of scrimage in goalline situations pounding the ball in (even with Vonta leading the way) because I am saw him this year lose yardage for us when the line was stacked with just inches to claim on several occasions. I am sorry, maybe I am in the minority, but I don't agree he deserves AP money. I saw how Chris Johnson held out for AP money and look how he performed when the team caved. I am sure that a lot of Titans fans said, "just pay the man" while Johnson held out. I am a fan of Rice and know how valuable he is to our offense, but IMHO, I feel that the Ravens have been fair with their offers to him.
[/quote]

Wow I wrote it out what you were false on and you still fail to read
And yes i am in the pay the man category. No he isn't Adrian Peterson, he is more marshal Faulk.

Ray, again has broken 2k yards from scrimmage twice.
Adrian none, really close once tho.

Ray and his 12 rushing tds matches what Adrian did last yr and the yr before
Rays rushing yards beat Adrian In both those yrs.
Rushing yards they both are hitting 1200 and 1300 consistently
Adrian broke 100 yards 3 times last
Rice did it 6 times
Even the Yr before Adrian did it 5 times
So if Adrian got a big contract and was viewed as the standard after his 2010 campaign
Why shouldn't a guy who produced equal numbers rushing and more receiving not be considered just as valuable

Rice easily beats Adrian as a wr
So yes if it's about football players value and you are using Adrian as your standard then yes your paying the guy who is just as dangerous as moving the ball and just as valuable to his offense.

The holdout part of your comment only becomes relevant if rice misses preseason but if he is paid now no holdout happens and the comparison with Chris is absolutely irrelevant

[Ray Ray Ravens]

What people are saying is Adrian is not worth Adrian money. We will not overpay like the low level teams in the league.

[Tiz]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1339692718' post='1089600']
What people are saying is Adrian is not worth Adrian money. We will not overpay like the low level teams in the league.
[/quote]

Not saying that either, at least not me.
Remember when Eli got his 100m contract or Ben got his. Many felt the overall contracts were too high.
I think it's a combination of how a player is viewed around the league and more importantly, how valuable they are to your teams goals.
Adrian is an asset to minn so you pay him like one.
Ray rice is an asset to Baltimore and thusly you pay him like one.
Let's step back from contracts and fwd to the season. When putting up 100 vs Pitt not a single person will say "man we paid too much" you will hear talk of gratitude that he is here. Contracts are strongly discussed during offseason because we are bored (admit it) but during season no one cares as long as we win

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1339693285' post='1089605']
Not saying that either, at least not me.
Remember when Eli got his 100m contract or Ben got his. Many felt the overall contracts were too high.
I think it's a combination of how a player is viewed around the league and more importantly, how valuable they are to your teams goals.
Adrian is an asset to minn so you pay him like one.
Ray rice is an asset to Baltimore and thusly you pay him like one.
Let's step back from contracts and fwd to the season. When putting up 100 vs Pitt not a single person will say "man we paid too much" you will hear talk of gratitude that he is here. Contracts are strongly discussed during offseason because we are bored (admit it) but during season no one cares as long as we win
[/quote]Yea but down the road one guys cap is gonna affect the signings of other needed positions. As much as he positively helps the team a bad contract can hurt the team. Im sure they are willing to pay him but apparently they have not met in the middle yet so Rice is shooting toohigh in the Ravens eyes. Im fine with that Id rather the Ravens not cave to crazy salary demands.

[arnie_uk]

contracts are not discussed out of boredom, they are a very vital peice in forming this thing that is called a team. If we overpay rice, we may not get joe done longterm and have to franchise tag him, which is going to really hurt our cap. We also have key free agents next year like ed reed, ray lewis, mckinnie, rfa ed dickson, kruger, pitta, etc etc.

If you put too much money into one player, at a DYING position, it hurts the whole roster. You cant just pay every player what he wants, and if he doesnt drop, hes gone simple as that...

[rlh445]

Haha, I didn't know little Ray was dying.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1339695350' post='1089638']
Haha, I didn't know little Ray was dying.
[/quote]yes because i said that

[rlh445]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339695410' post='1089640']
yes because i said that
[/quote]

You said, 'DYING,'..the joke was there!

[arnie_uk]

i said "dying position"... it wasnt a terribly funny joke, dont quit the day job haha

[Tiz]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1339694466' post='1089622']
Yea but down the road one guys cap is gonna affect the signings of other needed positions. As much as he positively helps the team a bad contract can hurt the team. Im sure they are willing to pay him but apparently they have not met in the middle yet so Rice is shooting toohigh in the Ravens eyes. Im fine with that Id rather the Ravens not cave to crazy salary demands.
[/quote]

That's when renegotiatings happen and that's also why the guaranteed money gets split up like it does.
Rice is not shooting too high with his demands and just like with the f.o. And flacco having to do and pay out the bigger portion of the money when other big contracts are not being done is how the f.o. Works the cap.

That said seriously doubt a contract would be done in such a manner that the cap hit is higher than that if him being tagged, let lone tagged 2 yrs in a row.

[rlh445]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339695624' post='1089645']
i said "dying position"... it wasnt a terribly funny joke, dont quit the day job haha
[/quote]

Pfffft, I'm going on tour!

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1339695693' post='1089649']
That's when renegotiatings happen and that's also why the guaranteed money gets split up like it does.
Rice is not shooting too high with his demands and just like with the f.o. And flacco having to do and pay out the bigger portion of the money when other big contracts are not being done is how the f.o. Works the cap.

That said seriously doubt a contract would be done in such a manner that the cap hit is higher than that if him being tagged, let lone tagged 2 yrs in a row.
[/quote]If he wasnt shooting to high then the dotted line would have sigs on it.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1339695836' post='1089654']
If he wasnt shooting to high then the dotted line would have sigs on it.
[/quote]just dont tell tiz that...

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1339695693' post='1089649']
That's when renegotiatings happen and that's also why the guaranteed money gets split up like it does.
Rice is not shooting too high with his demands and just like with the f.o. And flacco having to do and pay out the bigger portion of the money when other big contracts are not being done is how the f.o. Works the cap.

That said seriously doubt a contract would be done in such a manner that the cap hit is higher than that if him being tagged, let lone tagged 2 yrs in a row.
[/quote]

If the tag was higher than he'd be paid with a contract, he would have already signed the tag and be at mimi camp.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1339699320' post='1089690']
If the tag was higher than he'd be paid with a contract, he would have already signed the tag and be at mimi camp.
[/quote]no he wouldnt.. one year doesnt define a contract, theres more to it than that

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339699544' post='1089693']
no he wouldnt.. one year doesnt define a contract, theres more to it than that
[/quote]

Sure he would have if the money was there. Not saying he wouldn't still be negotiating a contract, but he wouldn't be refusing to sign.

I think the tag hit is around 7 mil and last I heard he wants 10 mil. I could be wrong though.

[arnie_uk]

he wants $10mil more guaranteed over the life off the deal i think is what he wanted, or else he wanted 10mil per year, every year. We could pay him 12 this year then 2 every other year. thats more than the tag, you think he'd sign that?