Merged: Ed Reed Skips Mini-Camp But Reports for TC

[cobrajet]

For the record, I am in the category of not being very happy about this. Yes, Ed is a lock (in my book) to be a future HOF'er, but to not show up for work and not even inform your head coach is not professional in the least. I am a "rules guy" so if you are supposed to be there - you be there or have a damn good excuse why you are not. Ed lost some "cool points" on this, because "that's just Ed being Ed" is not working for me.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1339633204' post='1089295']
For the record, I am in the category of not being very happy about this. Yes, Ed is a lock (in my book) to be a future HOF'er, but to not show up for work and not even inform your head coach is not professional in the least. I am a "rules guy" so if you are supposed to be there - you be there or have a damn good excuse why you are not. Ed lost some "cool points" on this, because "that's just Ed being Ed" is not working for me.
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Yeah I agree, sometimes you have to read between the lines. Even in Kevin's article, where he tries to make his non-appearance "no big deal" he say "we are attempting to talk to Ed privately" . Big key word there: attempting. It tells me that a lot of texts, tweets and phone calls are going out and are not coming back. If they had heard from him, they simply would have said he was out for an "undisclosed" reason, like they sometimes do when players miss something for private reasons.

No one has heard from him, outside of Ray Lewis (if any other players have, they haven't said) since the end of last season. And all anyone's heard from him via the media is how he feels disrespected, and he's not committed. I am not willing to say this is "no big deal" like many others.

[mhead66]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1339633204' post='1089295']
For the record, I am in the category of not being very happy about this. Yes, Ed is a lock (in my book) to be a future HOF'er, but to not show up for work and not even inform your head coach is not professional in the least. I am a "rules guy" so if you are supposed to be there - you be there or have a damn good excuse why you are not. Ed lost some "cool points" on this, because "that's just Ed being Ed" is not working for me.
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Agreed 100%.

If Harbaugh thought it was "No Big Deal" then he wouldn't say:
1. Reed was NOT excused.
2. Reed hasn't communicated to me why he isn't here - even again today, day 2 of the minicamp.
3. The CBA applies (meaning the FO is entitled to fine him for missing the time).

Kevin Cowherd said in the Sun today, "As great a player as he is, his absence shows no respect for Ozzie Newsome and John Harbaugh. And it shows no respect for Reed's teammates, who are out at the Castle sweating and grinding and getting ready for a new season."

One other thing: we have a new defensive coordinator, who will be putting his own stamp on the defense. Not all DCs are alike: look at the difference between Mattison and Rex's defenses, between Mattison and Pagano's. Last year, because of the lockout mess, the newest members of the D - Jimmy Smith and Bernard Pollard - didn't have a chance at OTAs, mini-camp or a full training camp, to learn cohesiveness with the defensive schemes. Smith definitely had a learning curve, and struggled the first few weeks, even after his injury week 1. Ed leads the DBs, and he should be there, learning the ins-and-outs of Pees' defense.

Reed should be there, to work with his newer teammates (Smith and Pollard), his new teammates (like Asa Jackson, Sean Considine and Christian Thompson) and his new DC. He should be setting an example, like Ray always does.

It's a matter of respect.

[CorvusCorax]

This whole Reed issue just makes the Ravens organization look bad. Sorry but I find his actions disrespectful to the organization, no matter the reason. I am a big fan of the guy. Not a way to being a role model for the kids he helps at schools.

[ellicottraven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1339601478' post='1089038']
It cant hurt for him to inform the team of his absence, but in reality I just dont care. To me it's just like the whole drama around how Suggs got hurt -- it makes no difference to me. I dont think Ed Reed is above any other player on the team, but I also dont think an offseason mini-camp is all that important, especially for a 10 year vet like Ed who is always putting himself on the line for the team.
[/quote]Very well. So let it be said and let it be written! lol

[JO_75]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1339646743' post='1089368']
This whole Reed issue just makes the Ravens organization look bad. Sorry but I find his actions disrespectful to the organization, no matter the reason. I am a big fan of the guy. Not a way to being a role model for the kids he helps at schools.
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I don't get how it makes the organization bad when in reality it makes Reed look bad. Sorry but no one player is above the team, not Ed Reed and not even Ray Lewis. I don't care if your a future hall of famer, it doesn't make you bigger than the team. Ok the whole "Ed being Ed" thing worked in the beginning and sure you could brush it off but now, no now it is getting old.

For us here on the board who have jobs, showing up to work is MANDATORY, we don't have the luxury of sitting at home just because we want to and having no excuses. We don't have the luxury of saying, hey I'm not coming to work until you pay me more. If anyone of us pulled this stunt and didn't show up without a reason, the next time we talk to our bosses he/she is firing us.

So Ed, stop with this whole Brett Favre, "I'm going to play, I'm not sure if I'll play" crap, show up to work and get ready for the season!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1339631254' post='1089279']
Than when IS it important? That's my question. You're rating preparation, cohesiveness and general professionalism as something liquid, and I see it as more of a stagnant integer; something that doesn't fade or grow with time..it just is. You need to be prepared at all times for your job, yes? I couldn't go in to work and say, 'Well guys, I'm just not prepared to answer phones for this half of the quarter so..have at you,'. It wouldn't matter if I was the big boss (which I am) or the little guy at the bottom of the totem pole; everyone's gotta pull their weight no matter what they mean (or don't mean) to the team. You can't weigh and measure something like 'role modeling', it's just there. It's not a measurable is what I'm saying. Whether it's the beginning, the middle, the end, the start of a new season or just when everyone is having tea and crumpets after winning a Super Bowl, the fact is this: when you get into the business of being a sports professional, there are laws everyone has to follow and not doing so can (and in no way am I saying will) influence others in your same area of expertise.

I'm not saying that guys are gonna say, 'Well Ed did *such and such* so I'm going to do *such and such* too!,'. What I AM saying is that the possibility of that happening is greater than what people are making it out to be. That's all.

I mean, to expand upon my point: You're getting ready for a marathon that isn't happening for six months. Do you just slack about for four of those months? No, you get ready for them in whatever way you need to. Mentall, physically, whatever. Football isn't a six month exercise, it's all year round. Because it's obviously in the spotlight, you see where I'm getting at. It's ridiculous that people are just writing it off because it's Ed. We've got really good teams all over the place that seem to have no problems getting their vets in AT LEAST for the first day of mandatory camps and our players are all, 'Meh,'.
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I don't think professionalism is fluid at all. However, I'm not going to get make a mountain out of a molehill because Ed isn't reporting to three days of practice.

Of course I'm rating preparation and cohesiveness as being fluid. You're trying to draw parallels between regular jobs and professional sports. We're not talking about answering phones, we're talking about playing football. Not every player works out in the off-season, practices, watches film, or imparts knowledge the same way. But they can still produce similarly effective results.

That you can't weigh or measure a factor like "role-modelling" or leadership is just one reason I don't see Ed missing time as a big deal. If younger and even veteran players look at Ed differently because of this, so be it. Like I said, there are more than enough other veterans they can learn from

How you prepare for a marathon affects you and you alone on the day of the race. Ed's absence doesn't mean the defense will be any less potent come the opening game.

[FerrariFan87]

I'd love to give Ed the money he thinks he deserves, but if he continues to waffle every year about whether or not he's retiring, and complains about how much the Ravens "disrespect" him, why should we give him a long-term deal?

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1339620234' post='1089202']
Can someone explain to me why it is that Flacco's kid is due any day and he is at camp, yet Rice and Reed are holding out and not going?
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Flacco is under contract, Rice isn't. You can't expect to see someone at mandatory camp who isn't on contract.

Flacco can and would be expected to leave camp as soon as he finds out his wife went into labor. It's not like Joe
is hours away from his wife when he gets the call that they need to go to the hospital. For example
yesterday he missed camp b/c she's getting close.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1339646743' post='1089368']
[u][i][b]This whole Reed issue just makes the Ravens organization look bad.[/b][/i][/u] Sorry but I find his actions disrespectful to the organization, no matter the reason. I am a big fan of the guy. Not a way to being a role model for the kids he helps at schools.
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[color=#4b0082][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif][b]i respectfully disagree CC. this doesn't make the Ravens organization look bad. this stuff happens throughout the league with EVERY team. it happens! bottomline, we can all say whatever about this situation...but....the reality is that we (the fans) really don't know what has gone down between the FO, Coaches and Ed Reed behind the scenes that has caused Ed to operate this way. let's all just hope for the best that Ed will be back, excited about being a Raven and ready to make another SB run.[/b][/font][/color]

[AsianRice]

Oher-?-Birk-Yanda-Reid.....That's what I'm concerning right now.....

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1339685783' post='1089513']
[color=#4b0082][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif][b] his agent [/b][/font][/color]
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He has an agent now?

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1339687222' post='1089526']

He has an agent now?
[/quote]

Not that I'm aware of.

[rlh445]

Haha I was gonna say the same thing: Reed doesn't have an agent. Perhaps if he did, this business would have never happened.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

Really looking at it that way Eds pay scale is actually higher then other contracts of the same level because he doesnt have a leach sucking his bank account dry. The fact that the Ravens gave him the best contract without an agent at the time shows the respect the FO has for him.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1339696556' post='1089666']
Really looking at it that way Eds pay scale is actually higher then other contracts of the same level because he doesnt have a leach sucking his bank account dry. The fact that the Ravens gave him the best contract without an agent at the time shows the respect the FO has for him.
[/quote]im sure he had an agent when he got his deal, but has since parted ways

[PurpleDrink]

#1. Rice can NOT come to camp until he signs his contract under the new CBA rule, its not personal its business.

#2. Ed has problems at home but Ray use other words then those to describe what's going on with him, familys first so I'm guessing he will be ready week 1.

[TheMadRaven]

I think I am over Ed Reed. I hopefully will regret this when he is nabbing a pick-six but..... I am currently calling the waaaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance. I will be negged by this, but enough of this diva crap already.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339698949' post='1089686']
im sure he had an agent when he got his deal, but has since parted ways
[/quote] You are right it was Greg Genke. That took some searching.LOL

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1339700659' post='1089706']
#2. Ed has problems at home but Ray use other words then those to describe what's going on with him, familys first so I'm guessing he will be ready week 1.
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It's not about him needing to be elsewhere, or even missing camp. It is about him not picking up a phone and communicating with the FO or the Coach. I'm sure a phone call made to either and this is a complete non-story.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1339703342' post='1089729']
You are right it was Greg Genke. That took some searching.LOL
[/quote]thats why i said im sure, i wanted to look but i couldnt bring myself to do it lol

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1339687222' post='1089526']
He has an agent now?
[/quote]

[color=#4b0082][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif][b]no! you came in and quick-quoted me before i could change that. but i believe that you clearly understood the post. lol![/b][/font][/color]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1339689242' post='1089541']
Not that I'm aware of.
[/quote]

[color=#4b0082][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif][b]not that i'm aware of either. lol![/b][/font][/color]

[Grapple Raven]

[i]FYI: Interesting point of view in this Florio/Eisenburg interview entitled "Eisenburg on ProFootballTalk Live": [/i]

[i][url="http://www.csnbaltimore.com/football-baltimore-ravens"]http://www.csnbaltimore.com/football-baltimore-ravens[/url] [/i]

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Grapple Raven' timestamp='1339737869' post='1090040']
[i]FYI: Interesting point of view in this Florio/Eisenburg interview entitled "Eisenburg on ProFootballTalk Live": [/i]

[i][url="http://www.csnbaltimore.com/football-baltimore-ravens"]http://www.csnbaltim...altimore-ravens[/url] [/i]
[/quote]

Well, I could be wrong, but I really don't think this is how you gain respect from the Ravens organization. Rarely will disrespecting people cause them to respect you.

Let's face it, this is Ed Reed. If he's productive, and he wants one, he's going to get a fair extension next season. Does he know something we don't? Is he worried that he won't be as productive, that he's unable to play at a certain level? So he wants that extension prior to having to play out the last year of his contract?

There is nothing stupid about Ed Reed. He understands the business side of things and knows darn well the Ravens have been up against the cap and are currently dealing with Rice and Flacco. That isn't any disrespect to him, it just is what it is.

This is very "me,me,me" of Reed and right now, he's lost respect points IMO, not gained any.

[ravensfan2430]

I have come to the point with athletes, singers, actors that I don't care what they do off the field (minus criminal acts). I don't care what they make (they are all overpaid), I don't care who they marry or are in a relationship with. They are entertainers, not my role models. As long as they show up for the game, concert, and make the next Bond movie...I'll be happy.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

dealing with family matters hmm maybe reed is a good role model for our youth , thats a Man folks take care of your wife and kids Reed is here by excused and Given a punch on his Man card 2 more punches and he gets a Ravenous Burger (my own invention , Bacon. ,mushroom, cheese , garlic and plain bread crumbs with ground beef 60-40 with Worcestershire and A1 and some diced onions , on a Pretzel roll with Lettuce and Tomato and pickled Okra and a chipolte mayo on a corn dusted roll) You too can earn this Burger by being a Man in your community and at home .

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' timestamp='1339785295' post='1090247']
dealing with family matters hmm maybe reed is a good role model for our youth , thats a Man folks take care of your wife and kids Reed is here by excused and Given a punch on his Man card 2 more punches and he gets a Ravenous Burger (my own invention , Bacon. ,mushroom, cheese , garlic and plain bread crumbs with ground beef 60-40 with Worcestershire and A1 and some diced onions , on a Pretzel roll with Lettuce and Tomato and pickled Okra and a chipolte mayo on a corn dusted roll) You too can earn this Burger by being a Man in your community and at home .
[/quote]only issue is he isnt "here by excused"... he hasnt got in touch with harbs who has said he is unexcused

[TheRavenouseD2008]

arnie I am saying by ME he is excused its not like he is out floosing arround not taking care of important business , as a Fan if the man has stuff with his kids I dont care if its a little league game he has my respect and I excuse that , here it the states I believe if we had more dads that did that we would have less issues in our streets

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' timestamp='1339786316' post='1090261']
arnie I am saying by ME he is excused its not like he is out floosing arround not taking care of important business , as a Fan if the man has stuff with his kids I dont care if its a little league game he has my respect and I excuse that , here it the states I believe if we had more dads that did that we would have less issues in our streets
[/quote]awh well its all fine and dandy if you excuse him then

[Purple Nurple]

That burger sounds like sweet sweet cardiac death.