Merged: Ed Reed Skips Mini-Camp But Reports for TC

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339606297' post='1089093']
well if you dont think he is above any other people why do you think he doesnt have to inform the team? or have i got the wrong understanding or the "i dont care" part of your first sentence?
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Personally, I could care less if he is there or not, or if he talks to the coaches or not. It seems that a lot of fans are taking it personally that Ed isnt showing up, but it doesnt bother me. I dont think it affects the team in anyway and I am not concerned about the possibility of Ed holding out or not playing in the upcoming season. I would feel the same way for any vet.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1339568640' post='1088891']
What?! First off, why did you put cohesiveness and setting an example in quotes as if those terms don't exist? Secondly, so setting an example stops after a season is over? How does that even work? If anything, it becomes [b]more[/b] important in between seasons, because that's the time a lot of young guys get themselves into trouble and lose focus. They're professional athletes, everything is important all year round, not just during the season. It's like saying, '"Being in shape" and "not getting in trouble" are only important when camp starts,'.
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Obviously those terms exist. But considering the experience of three-quarters of the starting secondary (Ed, Pollard and Webb), what legitimate cohesiveness needs to be forged at this point in the off-season? I never said setting an example stops in the off-season. However, Ed isn't the [i]only[/i] veteran player younger guys and rookies can look to and learn from. You mentioned younger players getting into trouble and losing focus at this point in the season. Does Reed's absence somehow increase the chances of a young Ravens player getting in trouble off the field? I don't think so.

Like I said, preparation and at this point in the season isn't nearly as important as it is in late July. Your last statement isn't what I was implying at all.

[BMOREHAWAII]

Ed doesn't need a permission slip to miss out on mini camp this isn't high school.

he's a seasoned veteran with physical and emotional injuries to overcome. Everyone should relax and trust that Ed will be there week 1...

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1339616552' post='1089179']
Ed doesn't need a permission slip to miss out on mini camp this isn't high school.

he's a seasoned veteran with physical and emotional injuries to overcome. Everyone should relax and trust that Ed will be there week 1...
[/quote]your missing the whole point of what some people in here are saying. Can a guy whos worked in the same company for 20-30 years just not show up to mandatory work? no he cant.. its should be no different for him. I dont care hes not there, my issue is he thinks he can just not show up without so much as a phonecall to the boss

[wayne]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339617179' post='1089182']
your missing the whole point of what some people in here are saying. Can a guy whos worked in the same company for 20-30 years just not show up to mandatory work? no he cant.. its should be no different for him. I dont care hes not there, my issue is he thinks he can just not show up without so much as a phonecall to the boss
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People comparing pro athletes to 9-5 jobs is like comparing apples to oranges and obviously the same rules doesn't apply to pro athletes like an employee on a 9-5. Think about it, with all the things that pro athletes has done in every professional sport, a lot of them would have been fired, including a lot of the HOF players and future HOF players so .......... you can't compare pro athletes conduct to that of a regualr 9-5 employee at a job. One would like to do this but you can't b/c the same rules don't apply.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1339618814' post='1089189']
People comparing pro athletes to 9-5 jobs is like comparing apples to oranges and obviously the same rules doesn't apply to pro athletes like an employee on a 9-5. Think about it, with all the things that pro athletes has done in every professional sport, a lot of them would have been fired, including a lot of the HOF players and future HOF players so .......... you can't compare pro athletes conduct to that of a regualr 9-5 employee at a job. One would like to do this but you can't b/c the same rules don't apply.
[/quote]he still just cant not show up to manatory practice without a phone call to let coach know. 2 minutes is all it would have took.."some personal issue john, i wont be able to make it, ok ed, i know you dont need it anyway and youll be in shape, see you when it settles down good luck"

he shouldnt be on a pedestal

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339617179' post='1089182']
your missing the whole point of what some people in here are saying. Can a guy whos worked in the same company for 20-30 years just not show up to mandatory work? no he cant.. its should be no different for him. I dont care hes not there, my issue is he thinks he can just not show up without so much as a phonecall to the boss
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I understand what your trying to imply, no normal person should feel they have the right to do what they want when they want while they are eing paid for it. but like the above poster said this obviously isn't your average joe working at a regular job.

Although I still have my doubts that Ed's heart body and mind is where it used to be, Im confident his abilities will over come obstacles when the opportunity arises..

[arnie_uk]

what would yous be saying if j smith didnt show up and john said in the media he didnt know why? or upshaw? or anyone except suggs ray and ngata.

Yous would all say he should have got in touch with coach first if he had a good reason, which it appears ed has...

[The Raven]

Can someone explain to me why it is that Flacco's kid is due any day and he is at camp, yet Rice and Reed are holding out and not going?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1339620234' post='1089202']
Can someone explain to me why it is that Flacco's kid is due any day and he is at camp, yet Rice and Reed are holding out and not going?
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Flacco really needs to be there for the offense. It's his job as the QB to be there. When his kid does arrive, I certainly don't expect him to be at mini-camp.

[arnie_uk]

and i bet when he decides hes not coming to whatever sessions, he'll let john know....

[The Raven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1339620365' post='1089203']
Flacco really needs to be there for the offense. It's his job as the QB to be there. When his kid does arrive, I certainly don't expect him to be at mini-camp.
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And Reed doesn't need to be there for the defense? And Rice doesn't need to be there for the offense as well? Isn't it their job as well? Rice isn't under contract, so I'm less bitter towards him, but unless I'm missing something important, Reed should be there, and Rice should just sign and report already. He does carry this offense after all...

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1339620564' post='1089205']


And Reed doesn't need to be there for the defense? And Rice doesn't need to be there for the offense as well? Isn't it their job as well? Rice isn't under contract, so I'm less bitter towards him, but unless I'm missing something important, Reed should be there, and Rice should just sign and report already. He does carry this offense after all...
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In a word,no. Flacco's role in the offense is far more important. He is the leader plain and simple and he needs to be there.

[berad]

Harbaugh:[i] "Hey, Ed, it's minicamp. And this is crazy. But here's my number. So call me, maybe?"[/i]

He should have called and explained his absence but (even though I'm disappointed) I'm not going to lose my mind over minicamp... for now.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1339620234' post='1089202']
Can someone explain to me why it is that Flacco's kid is due any day and he is at camp, yet Rice and Reed are holding out and not going?
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Ed has been there and done that. The only thing that keeps him consistently putting his. Ody on the line at his age and injury status is that ring....

Flacco has a LOT to prove, and How much would it benefit Ray to be there being in his contract position.

Don't turn this into another Flacco thread kid

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339619645' post='1089196']
what would yous be saying if j smith didnt show up and john said in the media he didnt know why? or upshaw? or anyone except suggs ray and ngata.

Yous would all say he should have got in touch with coach first if he had a good reason, which it appears ed has...
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Huge difference between Ed and Jimmy.
Jimmy would get benched, Ed wouldnt..

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1339624034' post='1089227']

Huge difference between Ed and Jimmy.
Jimmy would get benched, Ed wouldnt..
[/quote]its nothing to do with getting benched. It's having respect for your club, teammates coach to take a minute and say you can't go. He still hasn't got in touch even today...

It appears to be more than the family issue ray lewis said it was but again he will be ready to go when it matters.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1339624636' post='1089234']
its nothing to do with getting benched. It's having respect for your club, teammates coach to take a minute and say you can't go. He still hasn't got in touch even today...

It appears to be more than the family issue ray lewis said it was but again he will be ready to go when it matters.
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He should have called but he didn't, it's Ed being Ed. I doubt he's lost any respect for it.
Like I said before, I don't think Ed's heart,body, and mind is where it used to be

[rmw10]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1339624034' post='1089227']
Huge difference between Ed and Jimmy.
Jimmy would get benched, Ed wouldnt..
[/quote]

That's exactly the point. Why should Ed be above anyone else? I get that he's a great player and all, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't show up without informing anyone.

I personally don't think it's the biggest deal in the world, but I do think he should be there, if nothing else, to help the young guys learn. If he had informed the team of his decision, I feel like this would be no big deal at all.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1339618814' post='1089189']
[u][b]People comparing pro athletes to 9-5 jobs is like comparing apples to oranges and obviously the same rules doesn't apply to pro athletes like an employee on a 9-5. [/b][/u]Think about it, with all the things that pro athletes has done in every professional sport, a lot of them would have been fired, including a lot of the HOF players and future HOF players so .......... you can't compare pro athletes conduct to that of a regualr 9-5 employee at a job. One would like to do this but you can't b/c the same rules don't apply.
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[color=#4b0082][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif][b]there is no comparison.[/b][/font][/color]

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1339539014' post='1088680']
Not really worried about Ed. It would be nice to have him out there, but I just don't see it as a big deal.
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It would not be a big deal if he had picked up a phone. I'm sure the FO would have been alright with whatever reason, as long as he had communicated.

He should be fined and fined pretty heavily IMO. Sorry, I love Reed, but it isn't about Ed Reed. It is about the Ravens. You cannot allow it to go with no punishment, I don't care who he is, or that he's whiny because Webb and Pollard got new deals. You know what Ed? You want a new deal? Stop yapping at the media and go talk to the men who make that decision. Or, go get an agent.

Showing disrespect, not only to the FO but at this point to his team mates, is NOT going to get him what he says he wants. It is childish behavior.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1339625585' post='1089242']


It would not be a big deal if he had picked up a phone. I'm sure the FO would have been alright with whatever reason, as long as he had communicated.

He should be fined and fined pretty heavily IMO. Sorry, I love Reed, but it isn't about Ed Reed. It is about the Ravens. You cannot allow it to go with no punishment, I don't care who he is, or that he's whiny because Webb and Pollard got new deals. You know what Ed? You want a new deal? Stop yapping at the media and go talk to the men who make that decision. Or, go get an agent.

Showing disrespect, not only to the FO but at this point to his team mates, is NOT going to get him what he says he wants. It is childish behavior.
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I disagree. Its not childish. Maybe its irresponsible, but in the end it really doesnt matter. What difference does a phone call make? Would everyone feel happy on the inside because Ed called coach? The media is making a story out of nothing and i am sure they are loving all the attention the fans are giving another non-story. It makes at no difference at this point of the offseason. Talk to me when Ed Reed misses training camp. Then I will start to care.

[codizzle]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1339620234' post='1089202']
Can someone explain to me why it is that Flacco's kid is due any day and he is at camp, yet Rice and Reed are holding out and not going?
[/quote]
More proof as to what kind of QB we have

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1339623569' post='1089220']
Harbaugh:[i] "Hey, Ed, it's minicamp. And this is crazy. But here's my number. So call me, maybe?"[/i]

He should have called and explained his absence but (even though I'm disappointed) I'm not going to lose my mind over minicamp... for now.
[/quote]

I disagree,i dont see why everone is so upset about this,so he missed 1 minicamp,it isnt a big deal,as long as he's there and ready for week 1,thats fine with me,hes Ed Reed,like i said,he will tell teammates such as Ray Lewis before anyone ealse,and none of you know,if Mr Reed didnt tell our HeadCoach,to bad it isnt start of the season.

[GrimCoconut]

Regarding Ed Reed and him not contacting Harbaugh, I will say this:

1. We don't know if he didn't contact the FO and didn't call Harbaugh directly
2. Assuming he didn't contact the FO, that is pretty disrespectful regardless of who it is.
3. Perhaps Ray Lewis called him and Ed Reed told him during the phone call, and not that Ed Reed called Ray Lewis to tell him he wasn't coming to mandatory camp.
4. Bottom-line is that Ed should be there unless excused, which it's obviously not excused.
5. He's Ed Reed, and I am not worried about his shape or football IQ.
6. We have no idea what other details are revolving around this and we probably never will. Harbaugh is tight-lipped like this guy:
[img]http://kumquatwriter.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/i-know-nothing1.jpg[/img]

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1339629589' post='1089267']
Regarding Ed Reed and him not contacting Harbaugh, I will say this:

1. We don't know if he didn't contact the FO and didn't call Harbaugh directly
[b]Good point but I'm 99% certain the FO would have passed the info on to Harbaugh, who stated clearly he was not aware.[/b]
2. Assuming he didn't contact the FO, that is pretty disrespectful regardless of who it is.
[b]Agreed. What sort of example does that pass on to the new players?[/b]
3. Perhaps Ray Lewis called him and Ed Reed told him during the phone call, and not that Ed Reed called Ray Lewis to tell him he wasn't coming to mandatory camp.
[b]I'm guessing this was the way it went down as well. I don't think he actually called Ray Lewis specifically to tell him he wasn't coming.[/b]
4. Bottom-line is that Ed should be there unless excused, which it's obviously not excused.
[b]Agreed.[/b]
5. He's Ed Reed, and I am not worried about his shape or football IQ.
[b]I'm not worried about him being in shape nor his football IQ. What these camps are for however, is for chemistry, for new guys or rookies to get some mentoring, etc. Also for the unit to begin to gel as a unit. [/b]
6. We have no idea what other details are revolving around this and we probably never will. Harbaugh is tight-lipped like this guy:
[b]Well, Harbaugh did already say that "the CBA applies" and "no I haven't talked to Ed". Yes pretty small amount of info but enough to say he was not informed.[/b]
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[rlh445]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1339613623' post='1089162']
Obviously those terms exist. But considering the experience of three-quarters of the starting secondary (Ed, Pollard and Webb), what legitimate cohesiveness needs to be forged at this point in the off-season? I never said setting an example stops in the off-season. However, Ed isn't the [i]only[/i] veteran player younger guys and rookies can look to and learn from. You mentioned younger players getting into trouble and losing focus at this point in the season. Does Reed's absence somehow increase the chances of a young Ravens player getting in trouble off the field? I don't think so.

Like I said,[b] preparation and at this point in the season isn't nearly as important as it is in late July[/b]. Your last statement isn't what I was implying at all.
[/quote]

Than when IS it important? That's my question. You're rating preparation, cohesiveness and general professionalism as something liquid, and I see it as more of a stagnant integer; something that doesn't fade or grow with time..it just is. You need to be prepared at all times for your job, yes? I couldn't go in to work and say, 'Well guys, I'm just not prepared to answer phones for this half of the quarter so..have at you,'. It wouldn't matter if I was the big boss (which I am) or the little guy at the bottom of the totem pole; everyone's gotta pull their weight no matter what they mean (or don't mean) to the team. You can't weigh and measure something like 'role modeling', it's just there. It's not a measurable is what I'm saying. Whether it's the beginning, the middle, the end, the start of a new season or just when everyone is having tea and crumpets after winning a Super Bowl, the fact is this: when you get into the business of being a sports professional, there are laws everyone has to follow and not doing so can (and in no way am I saying will) influence others in your same area of expertise.

I'm not saying that guys are gonna say, 'Well Ed did *such and such* so I'm going to do *such and such* too!,'. What I AM saying is that the possibility of that happening is greater than what people are making it out to be. That's all.

I mean, to expand upon my point: You're getting ready for a marathon that isn't happening for six months. Do you just slack about for four of those months? No, you get ready for them in whatever way you need to. Mentall, physically, whatever. Football isn't a six month exercise, it's all year round. Because it's obviously in the spotlight, you see where I'm getting at. It's ridiculous that people are just writing it off because it's Ed. We've got really good teams all over the place that seem to have no problems getting their vets in AT LEAST for the first day of mandatory camps and our players are all, 'Meh,'.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1339630344' post='1089274']
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I hear you, and I only have one thing to say about chemistry: most of these guys know Ed Reed and have chemistry playing with him. Most, not all. The one nice thing his absence does do is it allows Thompson to get some more reps (assuming he is filling in for #20).

He also said "I haven't talked to Ed" but that doesn't mean he doesn't know where he is. He may just not want to discuss what's going on with Ed. Harbaugh plays things very close to the chest. I'm telling you, the guy doesn't divulge info easily, lol.

[rlh445]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1339631601' post='1089280']
I hear you, and I only have one thing to say about chemistry: most of these guys know Ed Reed and have chemistry playing with him. Most, not all. The one nice thing his absence does do is it allows Thompson to get some more reps (assuming he is filling in for #20).

He also said "I haven't talked to Ed" but that doesn't mean he doesn't know where he is. He may just not want to discuss what's going on with Ed. Harbaugh plays things very close to the chest. I'm telling you, the guy doesn't divulge info easily, lol.
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Oh c'mon Grim, pish tosh. He had no idea what was going on with Ed. Stop seeing what you want to and see it for what it is. If he'd had an idea, he would have said so, but he didn't. His story changed twice within twelve hours from, 'Yea, Ed's Ed and we're okay,' to, 'I haven't heard from Ed yet,'. Obviously, the FO didn't know about it but doesn't want to make waves. That's fine. Don't try to sugarcoat it.

[Tank 92]

I didn't take the time to read this thread, but felt the need to say enough of the ER crap. if he plays, great. If he doesn't, the Ravens don't fold and leave town. If it's distracting to me, it is obviously distracting to the Team. I am a huge Reed fan, but enough of the drama already. Who knows, maybe there's a legitimate personal reason he didn't show. But dag, it's one thing after the other.............