ESPN Article About Suggs Lying

[raybaby]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1339033619' post='1086466']
If it states in his contract that he is not to participate in organized sports other than those approved by the FO then he is in violation of his contract. (or whatever it says. I assume he did something "wrong" since he was not honest about what happened)That actually is a big deal. After all that sport is the direct cause of his being on IR. Who is to say that he would have suffered such an injury if he had been actually doing proscribed conditioning? That being said, I agree that the guy has to have a life and do not see the FO doing anything drastic, although a fine of some sort would not be out of order. Just as a warning to the rookies to abide by their contracts. Although I do agree, non story. It is rather slow in the football world. I guess they have to write something.
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You do realize the Ravens have sports charity events? Torrey Smith's basketball game? Webb's softball game? If the Ravens FO didn't want them playing those type of sports then they would not allow those kind of charities to take place. It is a none issue.

[Militant X 1]

this story is a non-factor. the media needs to move on! smh!

[Yum Chickens]

This is why I don't like ESPN

Even if this was James Harrison, I couldn't care two flying apples about how or why he tore it. I wish they would just shut up for one week instead of trying to create drama

[jimmypowder]

I don't [[i]care[/i]] how he got hurt . It happened . They all play basketball .Torrey Smith had a charity basketball game, Webb had a softball game. Unless these pros are going into ultimate fighting ,this is a worthless topic.

I know folks who have torn an ACL walking down steps.geez!

[Alexir]

Here is a chain of when I would care about a player's off the field activities.

Murder/Rape > Anti Patriotic > Heavy Drug use > DUI > Marijuana > Buying a Kitten > Playing Basketball.

Injuries are a part of life, doesn't matter how he did it, it will not bring him back sooner and it is a distraction.

[AsianRice]

So funny that little report to condemn Sugg's statement is going to create a stir in the Ravens nation? lol....it's like throwing a tofu against a wall......

This is why the Ravens close door from the outside world and work on their game; when the door opens, you know "asswhooping" is coming to whoever stands in the way.......

[quoth_the_raven_neverscore]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1338934766' post='1085986']
It's a complete non-story. Leave it to ESPN to take something that is completely irrelevant and then drag someone through the mud just to get page hits. It makes me sick.
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i imagine skip bayless had a good chuckle over this

[Tyler]

I swear it's like some people expect these athletes to be machines and not human. I'm pretty sure if the guy wants to live a normal life playing a pick up game of basketball, he can do so If he wants. Accident's happen. You could tear your ACL doing just about anything. Again, ESPN just trying to stir up the talking heads in order to try and get a story.

[BmoreRav]

There's a basketball court at the Castle I believe. Which goes to show how much of a non issue this is! You can't expect players to wrap themselves up in cotton wool during the off-season, accidents happen regardless of what you're doing.

[jaege]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1339035743' post='1086476']
You do realize the Ravens have sports charity events? Torrey Smith's basketball game? Webb's softball game? If the Ravens FO didn't want them playing those type of sports then they would not allow those kind of charities to take place. It is a none issue.
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Any such events are probably sanctioned by the team. Good publicity, you know.I am not certain, but I think that participating in unsanctioned sports is often prohibited by the players contract. If it didn't matter, why would Suggs be evasive about how he got his injury?

[Rav'n Maniac]

ESPN is the National Enquirer of sports reporting. What's next? Suggs gives birth to alien baby. lol

[raybaby]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1339120613' post='1086902']
Any such events are probably sanctioned by the team. Good publicity, you know.I am not certain, but I think that participating in unsanctioned sports is often prohibited by the players contract. If it didn't matter, why would Suggs be evasive about how he got his injury?
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But why would it be acceptable for Torrey to play basketball and not Suggs if they both have the same chance of getting hurt? Yes it's a charity but that doesn't change the fact that if the Ravens really are concerned about their players getting into a non football injury then they should just not allow doing other sports altogether. I mean there are plenty of other ways to do charity. I get it's apart of a contract but my point is the contract is extremely flawed if you are allowing bending to those rules. I mean they have a basketball court at their facility! The contract might say they are allowed to take his pay but the Ravens FO knows it doesn't make any good sense.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1339023945' post='1086401']
Yeah, ESPN.com is always hating on the Ravens although the guys at NFL live and some of their programming tend to give more respect, I think because they are mostly former players/coaches who actually know football.

Also, I love your avatar. Archer is probably the best comedy on tv.
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Thanks! Archer is hilarious lol.

[rlh445]

I'm confused, I thought Suggs did say he hurt it playing basketball. Ahh so he was saying it was during conditioning drills. I agree with the sentiment of, 'Who cares?,' at least as far as feeling as if the horse is already out the barn door so let's just look forward to Suggs' return. Buuuuut, I don't agree with saying, 'Who cares?,' that he lied, because that's a bit bigger of a deal. It obviously wasn't sanctioned by the team, because what other reason would he have to lie about it? Obviously, charity events in which players are involved are planned with plenty of foresight and the team is notified, as another poster said those are great for publicity for the players and team in general. This was obviously just Suggs playin' some b-ball and unfortunately got injured. This isn't to say that I care one way or the other WHAT the man does with his time off the field, only that lying about it kind of looks bad..and makes the rule the team apparently has about not doing such activities is there for this very reason.

[RavensDE]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1338931453' post='1085962']
Well apparently someone who witnessed Suggs get injured has felt the need now that he has seen how Suggs injury is being reported to come out to the media and say that Suggs lied and it did in fact happen playing basketball.
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All I can say is this guy obviously wants some face time because if he was really concerned about clearing up Suggs lie then he would have gone to the one place that it actually effects which is the Ravens FO.

[url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8013339/terrell-suggs-baltimore-ravens-was-hurt-playing-basketball-witnesses-say"]http://espn.go.com/n...l-witnesses-say[/url]

Regardless this won't change the Ravens paying him. And for all we know Suggs might have told the FO the truth and lied to the media.
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I agree. It's a non story. If Suggs is lying he was probably worried about his money in which case he had millions of reasons to lie. The Ravens don't care if their players play basketball in the off season. Now if he was in some kind of 2-a-day competitive tourney or something they might be less happy, but really who cares? The "witness" probably didn't understand the implications of being honest. Just another media story trying to get headlines and controversy.

Ozzie knows best. We want happy players who play basketball and have fun in the off season not scared prisoners who are nervous to do anything active. If this was the last and most expensive year of a declining players contract this may have played differently but even then it would be due to the business realities not whether it was a drill or basketball. In that case the guy would be cut, not NFi listed. Suggs is a foundation of the team. He would have had to do something stupid to lose his money.

[RavensDE]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1339083872' post='1086626']
Here is a chain of when I would care about a player's off the field activities.

Murder/Rape > Anti Patriotic > Heavy Drug use > DUI > Marijuana > [u]Buying a Kitten [/u]> Playing Basketball.

Injuries are a part of life, doesn't matter how he did it, it will not bring him back sooner and it is a distraction.
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Damn kittens...

[RavensDE]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1338938016' post='1086005']
It could be that this Herbert Hoffman, the basketball tournament director, is looking for his 15 minutes of fame, getting his name out there. However, he claims that his entire staff that worked the tournament saw the injury occur, because it was during the championship game, and he said they'd be willing to give statements to that effect.

I'm not certain that the automatic response to this thread, to state with 100% conviction that this Hoffman is lying... is realistic. We're talking about $11 million, folks - and it's not beyond the stretch of the imagination that it's T-Siz that's lying... because, legally, the FO [b]could[/b] decide to not pay him, if he hurt it playing B-Ball. Everyone thinks it's [b]inconcievable[/b] that the FO would take this step, but... don't forget, we hear every year at contract time that "it's a business". Ask Ray Rice what he thinks about loyalty = money...

I'm not saying it's certain that Suggs is lying... but it is possible. Like I said, he has 11 million reasons to lie.

Just my $.02.

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/05/new-report-that-suggs-hurt-himself-playing-basketball-surfaces/"]http://profootballta...tball-surfaces/[/url]
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Exactly and I am saying he was lying. I would have lied. He's not Jesus. I think the organization knows the whole story from Suggs at this point. They could not pay him sure, but you could cut your nose off to spite your face as well. Last I checked he was a DPOY in his prime. Why be cheap? He will be back next year.

[rlh445]

Ha oh yea, they're not going to cut him for this . That would be insane.

[Militant X 1]

[b][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif][color=#4b0082]this story needs to die![/color][/font][/b]

[ravensdfan]

I like how the media is trying to lay the blame at OUR feet, saying "the fans have a right to know".

Just read here people! We are only concerned with him getting healthy and back on the field!

[RavenManiac#7]

The majority of people are posting that they don't care whether he hurt himself playing basketball or during a conditioning run. I agree. He was trying to stay in good shape. More power to him and I applaud him for that. That said, I don't think that the Ravens would have ever considered taking his 11 million dollars for being hurt playing basketball. The organization has too much class for that, Plus, they have every reason to want to keep him happy to be a Raven. But you know what, I don't like lies whether it was for 11 million dollars or 11 cents. I think this man who reported that there were multiple witnesses willing to testify that they saw the injury occur during a basketball game is credible. I think Suggs is a very gifted athlete and the fact that I now think that he is a liar does not change that opinion of his superior athletic ability. But I'd be less than totally honest if I didn't also say that my opinion of his character has not taken a hit. Money should never affect one's decision about being honest. I didn't agree with the writer who said that all Raven fans deserved to know the truth about how he really was injured, but I may be having second thoughts about that now that this man and his witnesses have come forward. I admit that I would like to know now because a man's honesty is being questioned. That, to me at least, is more important than money. That's just my opinion and I'm not asking anyone to agree or disagree. I'm just being honest about it.

[rmw10]

[quote name='RavenManiac#7' timestamp='1339261917' post='1087395']
The majority of people are posting that they don't care whether he hurt himself playing basketball or during a conditioning run. I agree. He was trying to stay in good shape. More power to him and I applaud him for that. That said, I don't think that the Ravens would have ever considered taking his 11 million dollars for being hurt playing basketball. The organization has too much class for that, Plus, they have every reason to want to keep him happy to be a Raven. But you know what, I don't like lies whether it was for 11 million dollars or 11 cents. I think this man who reported that there were multiple witnesses willing to testify that they saw the injury occur during a basketball game is credible. I think Suggs is a very gifted athlete and the fact that I now think that he is a liar does not change that opinion of his superior athletic ability. But I'd be less than totally honest if I didn't also say that my opinion of his character has not taken a hit. Money should never affect one's decision about being honest. I didn't agree with the writer who said that all Raven fans deserved to know the truth about how he really was injured, but I may be having second thoughts about that now that this man and his witnesses have come forward. I admit that I would like to know now because a man's honesty is being questioned. That, to me at least, is more important than money. That's just my opinion and I'm not asking anyone to agree or disagree. I'm just being honest about it.
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Suggs could have been 100% forthright with the team though and just told the media it was during conditioning since the media makes everything into a horror story. Regardless, it doesn't matter how he was injured. It's not like he was drunk or high at a party and did something stupid. It's probably something we will never know, so I don't think you can p

[rmw10]

[quote name='RavenManiac#7' timestamp='1339261917' post='1087395']
The majority of people are posting that they don't care whether he hurt himself playing basketball or during a conditioning run. I agree. He was trying to stay in good shape. More power to him and I applaud him for that. That said, I don't think that the Ravens would have ever considered taking his 11 million dollars for being hurt playing basketball. The organization has too much class for that, Plus, they have every reason to want to keep him happy to be a Raven. But you know what, I don't like lies whether it was for 11 million dollars or 11 cents. I think this man who reported that there were multiple witnesses willing to testify that they saw the injury occur during a basketball game is credible. I think Suggs is a very gifted athlete and the fact that I now think that he is a liar does not change that opinion of his superior athletic ability. But I'd be less than totally honest if I didn't also say that my opinion of his character has not taken a hit. Money should never affect one's decision about being honest. I didn't agree with the writer who said that all Raven fans deserved to know the truth about how he really was injured, but I may be having second thoughts about that now that this man and his witnesses have come forward. I admit that I would like to know now because a man's honesty is being questioned. That, to me at least, is more important than money. That's just my opinion and I'm not asking anyone to agree or disagree. I'm just being honest about it.
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Suggs could have been 100% forthright with the team though and just told the media it was during conditioning since the media makes everything into a horror story. Regardless, it doesn't matter how he was injured. It's not like he was drunk or high at a party and did something stupid. It's probably something we will never know, so I don't think you can lose respect for the guy based on a partial story.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1339214110' post='1087295']
I like how the media is trying to lay the blame at OUR feet, saying "the fans have a right to know".


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I read that and I literally laughed out loud.

No, we dont have "the right to know".
People seriously misuse "right " and " deserve " especially when it comes to players private lives.

[hawkprey]

Developing story says Suggs was injured on the basketball court, but it wasn't actually from playing basketball. He was hanging out with a couple of guys around the court who were up to no good. Long story short he got in one little fight and his mom got scared.

[Tiz]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1338932196' post='1085973']
Yeah I just hate weasels like that who bring up information just to be apart of a story. We know that guy could care less if Suggs gets paid or not. Suggs' lie was not earth shattering in the slightest. The "And then to lie about it..." line made me lol
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You know he was more than likely asked and didn't seek out the,media to say anything.

Think about it. Suggs is an az guy. Suggs playd in a league every yr in az, why would someone risk getting suggs in trouble and ultimately lose the appeal of their league

[TZMou]

I'm sure I read somewhere that he 'tweaked' it during the basketball game, the following day he was feeling good about it so he took part in conditioning which then caused the injury. However I don't think it matters too much as atleast he's staying in shape by playing BBall i'd rather that than he sits around in his holiday home eating crisps and McDonalds all day. Injuries I recently dislocated my shoulder in the bath, i know i know, and as a result I'm out of football (soccer) for 6 months as it needs surgery haha, injuries can happen in the most bizarre of circumstances.

[JCouch23]

ESPN what a circus, Go Sizzle

[jaege]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1339160478' post='1086990']
But why would it be acceptable for Torrey to play basketball and not Suggs if they both have the same chance of getting hurt? Yes it's a charity but that doesn't change the fact that if the Ravens really are concerned about their players getting into a non football injury then they should just not allow doing other sports altogether. I mean there are plenty of other ways to do charity. I get it's apart of a contract but my point is the contract is extremely flawed if you are allowing bending to those rules. I mean they have a basketball court at their facility! The contract might say they are allowed to take his pay but the Ravens FO knows it doesn't make any good sense.
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I never said it made sense. If such a blurb is in the contract it is likely to prevent a player from doing something really dangerous, like skydiving, or bungee jumping. As far as Webb and charity, I will reiterate, they can hardly prevent a player from doing charity work. That would really produce bad press, which no team wants.

[raybaby]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1339285441' post='1087474']
You know he was more than likely asked and didn't seek out the,media to say anything.

Think about it. Suggs is an az guy. Suggs playd in a league every yr in az, why would someone risk getting suggs in trouble and ultimately lose the appeal of their league
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I've said I think Schefter might have sought them out. And he did risk Suggs getting in trouble. He flat out called him a liar. He has no obligation to answer ESPN's questions and he did whether he sought them out or not. Regardless what this guy did still doesn't matter.. the Ravens FO doesn't care.