McAdoo still weighs 245? Torn Achilles Tendon?

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1338590924' post='1085012']
I don't know but I'm pretty excited about him. All i got is a good feeling.
[/quote]This was short-lived.

[display name]

Oh great! That's 2!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1338601139' post='1085053']
Now this'll be 3 years removed from football and an injury. Might be too much to overcome.
[/quote]

I agree. Could be wrong but somehow I don't see him on the roster next season. Feel for the guy.

[ravensfan160]

We were so lucky with injuries last year with virtually no major ones to speak of.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1338650939' post='1085169']
This was short-lived.
[/quote]
Lol, I really think I jinxed it

[kiwi_raven]

well its time to cut this kid loose, busted his knee then the achilles on the same leg, he is done. 3 years out of football and to comback and try to make an impact in the NFL just isnt feasiable, sorry about your luck kid, it was nice while you were here.

[Tiz]

2012 Baltimore ravens in "how to overcome adversity"

[ravefan52]

I guess now we are putting everything into Kruger(first year starter), Upshaw(rookie), Kindle(proven nothing), and McCellan(15 tackles in whole career). Im trying to stay positive but its hard

[ravefan52]

Can you even imagine if we didnt draft Upshaw

[Pino]

OMG, everyone, PROTECT YOUR ACLs!!
wear a boot!
get a cast!

something's goin' on....

[baltravens]

I think McAdoo is done as a Raven for the very reasons cited in this thread's title.

[GrimCoconut]

As I said earlier, this really sucks. I really was excited to see what he could do. I fully expect the Ravens to try to keep the guys they have, but I honestly see us exploring some OLB/DE that are released or are already FAs. They need a pass-rusher OLB, or at least a guy who could stop the run who could rotate with Suggs when he returns from injury if Suggs will be a specialist after his return.

Regardless of what happens with Suggs, the Ravens will address a depth chart of Kruger, Upshaw, Kindle, and McClellan. I like Carter, but I'm not sure about his price and I also don't want to lose a comp pick for signing him. I'd really rather the Ravens just get a guy who is cut or something. I definitely don't want any trades.

[GrimCoconut]

One thing I would like to mention is Jameel McClain since we are a little thin at OLB. I know that Jameel does a good job inside, but during his time at Syracuse he was a good player for them as a pass-rusher. Here are his stats:

2005: (Sophmore) LB. 13 solo tackles, 7 assists, 20 total, 1 for a loss, 1 sack, 0 int, 1 pass defended, 0 fumbles.
2006: (Junior) DE, 32 solo tackles, 37 assists, 69 total, 14.5 for a loss, 9.5 sacks, 0 int, 2 passes defended, 1 forced fumble.
2007 (Senior) DE, 43 solo tackles, 34 assists, 77 total, 6.0 tackles for a loss, 1.5 sacks, 1 int taken for 38 yards, 4 passes defended, 2 forced fumbles.

I know these are from college, and that it was years ago since he was in college but it does show he has the capability to produce at DE and has experience as a pass-rusher OLB/DE. He is right now the only other guy besides Kindle, McClellan, Upshaw and Kruger whom I believe could play the OLB I see on this team. Maybe one of the UDFAs could do it, but I believe in McClain and I think he could do pretty well at DE/OLB and be a similar player to JJ if necessary. I can also see us use him or Lewis to pass-rush up the middle if we have schemes designed to put pressure up the middle and create holes.

My only problem with putting Jameel at OLB is obviously who plays next to Ray, but we do have Bynes, Carr, and even Ellerbe (not a fan, but eh) who could be placed there if they are promising. I'm not saying we should do this, so please don't bring out your pitch forks but I could see it happen if it was necessary. We know McClain can stop the run, and I have seen him sack some QBs in Baltimore, recover fumbles, and even get interceptions so it's not insane for me to believe he could play at the OLB spot when he used to be there before. Having him makes me feel a little more comfortable about Suggs' injury and losing McAdoo with having an unproven Kindle, Upshaw, and a new starter in Kruger with McClellan as a wild card.

[display name]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1338653518' post='1085176']
We were so lucky with injuries last year with virtually no major ones to speak of.
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Lee Evans and Ben Grubbs both missed like 6 or 7 games. Ray Lewis missed a few. Still, we did survive.

[IH EART DA RAVENS]

[quote name='Pino' timestamp='1338656670' post='1085189']
OMG, everyone, PROTECT YOUR ACLs!!
wear a boot!
get a cast!

something's goin' on....
[/quote]I bet the Saints are involved somehow...

[Militant X 1]

didn't we have an article that just said he (McAdoo) was further along than he thought? and now this? wow! in the words of Ray Lewis in 2000 when the Ravens had various catastrophies to befall them:

[i][b]"Man, God must have something good for us because, we're going through it right now!"[/b][/i]

and after that statement, the Ravens won the Superbowl that year! dejavu? i hope so!

~Mili

[Fred Sanford]

Feel bad for the guy, he looked good in limited action last preseason. He likely would've been practice squad, stored on IR, or inactive if he made the roster anyway, but a torn ACL for a guy already trying to make a comeback is a devastating blow.

Pointless to say, but I wish we would've found a way to make it work with Antwan Barnes, guy would be a perfect fix to our OLB dearth.

Kruger, Kindle, Upshaw, Mclellan are enough depth, but only assuming they all pan out, which is pretty iffy.

[harfordravenfan]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1338653522' post='1085177']

Lol, I really think I jinxed it
[/quote]

Perhaps you should start posting some compliments on our rivals boards (just in case you're right about the jinx theory)

[Gordo52]

[quote name='harfordravenfan' timestamp='1338722302' post='1085282']
Perhaps you should start posting some compliments on our rivals boards (just in case you're right about the jinx theory)
[/quote]
Lol. I'm on it.

[Marc2k6]

MAN!!!!!

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1338734072' post='1085302']
Lol. I'm on it.
[/quote]
Llamar Woodley's going to have a big season right?!

[RavensDE]

It's a shame for the kid but I think he gets one more shot next camp. The injury is similar to Suggs injury and I remember them saying something like it was a 6 or 8 month recovery depending on whether it was a partial or full tear. He could ride the PUP list (although I don't think they'll bother) but he still decides his own fate. He should have plenty of time beween now and OTA's next year to be healthy, whatever weight he should be, well studied and familiar with the language and supremely conditioned. It's tough but if Ray Lewis was in this guy's shoes he'd be a pro-bowler by next year.

As for the Ravens at large we are very thin at DE and OLB. Losing McAdoo is about losing depth and the oppurtunity to develop talent. Moving Ngata around helps the DE situation but hurts the DT situation. The Ravens will prepare to go with who we have and watch for players getting cut coming out of training camp. I think that strategy works well for D-line because they make so much they are that much more likely to get cut. Getting cut that late means the money is all spent and you are looking at a short term deal with someone who will put you in a position to be sucesseful so your next contract can get the big money that we rarely pay. No wammies no wammies no wammies, stop!

[hawkprey]

[quote name='RavensDE' timestamp='1338765312' post='1085379']
It's a shame for the kid but I think he gets one more shot next camp. The injury is similar to Suggs injury and I remember them saying something like it was a 6 or 8 month recovery depending on whether it was a partial or full tear. He could ride the PUP list (although I don't think they'll bother) but he still decides his own fate. He should have plenty of time beween now and OTA's next year to be healthy, whatever weight he should be, well studied and familiar with the language and supremely conditioned. It's tough but if Ray Lewis was in this guy's shoes he'd be a pro-bowler by next year.

As for the Ravens at large we are very thin at DE and OLB. Losing McAdoo is about losing depth and the oppurtunity to develop talent. Moving Ngata around helps the DE situation but hurts the DT situation. The Ravens will prepare to go with who we have and watch for players getting cut coming out of training camp. I think that strategy works well for D-line because they make so much they are that much more likely to get cut. Getting cut that late means the money is all spent and you are looking at a short term deal with someone who will put you in a position to be sucesseful so your next contract can get the big money that we rarely pay. No wammies no wammies no wammies, stop!
[/quote]
As long as we get Suggs back by the playoffs we'll be fine. Compared to 2011's team, we lost Redding, JJ and Suggs (most of the year) but gained Upshaw. McBean and Kindle (I'm assuming he sees time as a backup) and our young 3 - McPhee, Kruger, Jones - should all make bigger impacts. We had depth last year and we haven't really lost much, so I don't think we're suddenly thin at those positions.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1338763481' post='1085365']

Llamar Woodley's going to have a big season right?!
[/quote]
I think Steelers defense may #1 next year.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RavensDE' timestamp='1338765312' post='1085379']
It's a shame for the kid but I think he gets one more shot next camp.
[/quote]

Agreed. And, if we're following the Dan Cody rulebook in how to deal with oft-injured but potential-filled LBs, next offseason [i]will[/i] be McAdoo's last chance to earn a spot or the team will wish him the best in his future endeavors.

[black blood purple passion]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1338763481' post='1085365']
Llamar Woodley's going to have a big season right?!
[/quote]

I think Courntey is going to be our Woodley to be honest. They have very similar body types/college playing styles....whether Courntey can develop to be like Woodley or better is up to him, but the coaches have been raving about his strength, quickness, intelligence and nastiness....sounds like a Raven to me. Also I like the fact that he isn't blowing his rookie contract on Alcohol, like some Jaguars we could mention.

[mhead66]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1338767981' post='1085392']
As long as we get Suggs back by the playoffs we'll be fine. Compared to 2011's team, we lost Redding, JJ and Suggs (most of the year) but gained Upshaw. McBean and Kindle (I'm assuming he sees time as a backup) and our young 3 - McPhee, Kruger, Jones - should all make bigger impacts. We had depth last year and we haven't really lost much, so I don't think we're suddenly thin at those positions.
[/quote]
Not to be argumentative, but losing Redding, Suggs, Johnson and McAdoo, and replacing them with Upshaw, McBean and Kruger, is not an upgrade, at this point. Upshaw has a bright future, but - right out of the gate - he won't be the run stopping force that JJ was. I'm excited to see Kruger get significant playing time, but he's definitely no T-Sizzle. And McBean, with four sacks in 5 NFL seasons, is no Cory Redding. I personally think that Redding will be missed more than we realize - 21 sacks the last 6 years, and every D-Coordinator had to be aware of him - he was a determined, strong force on the DLine.

I think McPhee is the wild card - I think, with lots of playing time, this kid can be really special. I would much rather see him replace Redding, than McBean. His power and relentlessness could make him a pass-rushing threat to counter Suggs.

However, I don't see much depth - I don't think Kindle, Art Jones, Ryan McBean and DeAngelo Tyson keeping opposing QBs up nights, if we get [b]any[/b] more injuries - and we're not even into training camp yet. Every team get injuries, but if we lose another OLB or DE for any length of time, our pass rush will be anemic.

Personally, I think the loss of Ben Grubbs is [b]very[/b] significant. Converting a 2nd year OT (Jah), or plugging a rookie (Gradkowski/KO) may end up being problematic... Of course, week one is still 3 months away...

[hawkprey]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1338939818' post='1086016']
Not to be argumentative, but losing Redding, Suggs, Johnson and McAdoo, and replacing them with Upshaw, McBean and Kruger, is not an upgrade, at this point. Upshaw has a bright future, but - right out of the gate - he won't be the run stopping force that JJ was. I'm excited to see Kruger get significant playing time, but he's definitely no T-Sizzle. And McBean, with four sacks in 5 NFL seasons, is no Cory Redding. I personally think that Redding will be missed more than we realize - 21 sacks the last 6 years, and every D-Coordinator had to be aware of him - he was a determined, strong force on the DLine.

I think McPhee is the wild card - I think, with lots of playing time, this kid can be really special. I would much rather see him replace Redding, than McBean. His power and relentlessness could make him a pass-rushing threat to counter Suggs.

However, I don't see much depth - I don't think Kindle, Art Jones, Ryan McBean and DeAngelo Tyson keeping opposing QBs up nights, if we get [b]any[/b] more injuries - and we're not even into training camp yet. Every team get injuries, but if we lose another OLB or DE for any length of time, our pass rush will be anemic.

Personally, I think the loss of Ben Grubbs is [b]very[/b] significant. Converting a 2nd year OT (Jah), or plugging a rookie (Gradkowski/KO) may end up being problematic... Of course, week one is still 3 months away...
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JJ is being replaced by Kruger, who is a better pass rusher and probably a worse run-stopper. Not really a loss there, except for Kruger's backup role, which will be filled by (let's say) Sergio Kindle. We don't really know if that's a dropoff at the backup spot because we don't know what Kindle can offer. Art Jones was already pushing Redding for a starting spot and might've overtaken him this year anyway, so I don't see a real dropoff at right DE either. Essentially we're replacing Suggs with Upshaw but I expect better play out of Cody this year and Ngata not to be injured the whole second half of the season like he was in 2011. So yes, right now, I think we're fine up front. Our only problem is depth, which you alluded to, but Kindle, McBean, and McPhee is better depth than most teams can ask for. And if Suggs can come back to a starting role by the playoffs, count Upshaw in that group too.

I don't think our pass rush will be "anemic" if one other player went down. We have good rushers in Kruger, Ngata, McPhee, and with wild cards of Upshaw and Kindle. Some teams only have one or two decent rushers. They also don't have a secondary or defensive coordinator like ours.

[scrock]

i feel so bad for this kid, he has so much talent but just cant get on the field....NEXT YEAR watch out if he can stay healthy

[GrimCoconut]

I believe Kruger replaces Suggs while he is out and Upshaw takes over for JJ. I see us using Kindle and McClellan as rotational players. Kindle will back up Upshaw and McClellan will probably back up Kruger.

Depending on the development of other ILBs such as Carr, Bynes, Ellerbe, Williams, etc. I can see McClain be used at OLB.

I really like Nigel Carr the more I read up on him. Not saying he will be Ray Lewis, but he has a passion for the game and he has found God due to a mistake he made. Again, not saying he will be anywhere near Lewis as a player. Just saying he could have the heart, drive, and dedication to learn from Ray and do well like McClain before him and others.