ESPN Fantasy Football 2012

[JO_75]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1343604812' post='1106293']
If it's impossible to change (which I find hard to believe) I'll go along with it, but just to show you how skewed the scoring will be check out the ESPN projections with these scoring settings. They have guys like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford scoring 650+ points over the course of the season. 650 points!!! The next tier of QBs are projected at about 550 points...thats 100point difference, and thats not even considering the lower tier QBs some poeple are going to have to start in a 14 team league. Elite RBs are like 275 points over the course of a season just to put in perspective.
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Never mind read it wrong...

[url="http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/tools/projections?display=alt&leagueId=113877&slotCategoryId=0"]http://games.espn.go...lotCategoryId=0[/url]

Wow, now I see the big difference. Rodgers only scored 385 points under the ESPN standard scoring and it would be almost doubled under my scoring system.

[Dubs]

I agree whole heartedly with gabe on this one. If there is anyway of changing it please do as it is going to be one depressing league for 11 teams and even more disheartening for those who dont get one of the top 10 QBs.

[JO_75]

So that's only 2 people out of the 14, for everyone else who is involved and if you want me to change the scoring back to the regular ESPN scoring then I will. I just need more than 2 people's opinions. While Gabe and Dubs may not like it, others may so I want to make sure everyone is in on the decision. Also... who in the world is not signed up? There are 3 spots still open.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343615058' post='1106361']
So that's only 2 people out of the 14, for everyone else who is involved and if you want me to change the scoring back to the regular ESPN scoring then I will. I just need more than 2 people's opinions. While Gabe and Dubs may not like it, others may so I want to make sure everyone is in on the decision. Also... who in the world is not signed up? There are 3 spots still open.
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I'll play any way its set up. But since you asked for opinions I would prefer to have it set up in a more traditional (standard or ppr) fashion. Its one thing to have a QB driven league, but when they are scoring more than a rushing/receiving TD, plus additional bonus points, its just overboard. At the very minimum it should at least be set up as a ppr league to give the WRs/Rbs some value against QBs. Right now WRs and TEs are pretty worthless

In this league I'd draft 4 straight QBs, just to keep them off my competitions bench and use them as trade value.

But the team who gets the 1st pick has a massive advantage right off the back with Aaron Rodgers.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343615058' post='1106361']
So that's only 2 people out of the 14, for everyone else who is involved and if you want me to change the scoring back to the regular ESPN scoring then I will. I just need more than 2 people's opinions. While Gabe and Dubs may not like it, others may so I want to make sure everyone is in on the decision. Also... who in the world is not signed up? There are 3 spots still open.
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ill take standard scoring over the current but Id rather ppr than standard

[Mt. Crushmore]

I don't care.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1343603578' post='1106283']
7 pts/TD isnt that big of deal to me, but combined with 4 pts/50yds passing its just too much.

I dont understand how this cant be changed, but if for some reason it is set in stone can we just make a new league? I know its a pain to get everyone signed up, but I'd like to play with rules that wont swing the league to the 3 teams with Brady/Brees/Rodgers.
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whats the point of a kicker then. The extra point essentially becomes double points for them should someone have like rodgers and crosby

[JO_75]

Yeah I'm in the process of trying to change all this back to standard scoring.

[JO_75]

Ok so apparently when you call their Fantasy Hotline, they can look up your info and things like that, but somehow can't access your Fantasy League and change something for you. I'm going to have to make a new league here and I'm going to need everyone to leave the league so that I can permanently delete it.

The Draft is going to stay the same and will happen on August 12th. I'm also going to leave it at the ESPN Standard Scoring.

[Dubs]

Sounds good. I have left the league!

[JO_75]

Just made the new league, I will send everyone info on the new league, check PMs. Basically the Password is the same but the league ID and stuff has changed.

[Mt. Crushmore]

I am in with the same name and have left the other.

[JO_75]

Thanks. I sent everyone a PM, let's hope everyone can sign up this time.

[Sizzlebshu]

posted a pick em thread for preseason in the league if anyone wants to play it

[gabefergy]

Did my first mock...im not sure how i feel about it.

Aaron Rodgers
Jamaal Charles
Shonn Greene
Jordy Nelson
Brandon Lloyd
Antonio Brown
Jimmy Graham
Steelers D
Matt Prater

Mark Ingram
Anquan Boldin
Toby Gerhart
Kendall Wright
Joe Flacco
RG3

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1343925628' post='1108705']
Did my first mock...im not sure how i feel about it.

Aaron Rodgers
Jamaal Charles
Shonn Greene
Jordy Nelson
Brandon Lloyd
Antonio Brown
Jimmy Graham
Steelers D
Matt Prater

Mark Ingram
Anquan Boldin
Toby Gerhart
Kendall Wright
Joe Flacco
RG3
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You're set at QB, WR and TE and you've got some high-upside depth too.

Just out of curiosity, are you a Shonn Greene fan? I'm not going to be drafting him in any league this year.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1343927284' post='1108736']
You're set at QB, WR and TE and you've got some high-upside depth too.

Just out of curiosity, are you a Shonn Greene fan? I'm not going to be drafting him in any league this year.
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I feel like he is weak at rb and wr. While its not so bad to be weak at wr, weak at rb is a different story.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1343927454' post='1108741']
I feel like he is weak at rb and wr. While its not so bad to be weak at wr, weak at rb is a different story.
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Yeah I feel the same way. I would imagine a better RB was available when he took Jamaal Charles and I'm sure there were better receivers too. I think he got stuck with second and third tier Rbs and WRs.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1343927284' post='1108736']
You're set at QB, WR and TE and you've got some high-upside depth too.

Just out of curiosity, are you a Shonn Greene fan? I'm not going to be drafting him in any league this year.
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Greene keeps falling on my board. Many more options are looking better, such as Doug Martin.

Tebow will be stealing goalline touches. And Greene has shown nothing in terms of production. The only thing he has going for him is the opportunity.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343927834' post='1108746']
Yeah I feel the same way. I would imagine a better RB was available when he took Jamaal Charles and I'm sure there were better receivers too. I think he got stuck with second and third tier Rbs and WRs.
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He probably didn't draft Charles until the 3rd or 4th, which wouldn't be bad value.

My guess is he went Rodgers early first, drafted Graham in the 2nd then either Nelson/Charles in the third. Its part of the problem with drafting one of the stud QBs in round 1, you'll hate some portion of your team quite bad.

WR is super crazy deep. TE is deep outside the elite two and QB is is deep this year as well. RBs are not, and on top of that, they are a lot harder to get on the waiver wire. So if you skip on that position in the first two rounds, its an uphill battle.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1343927454' post='1108741']
I feel like he is weak at rb and wr. While its not so bad to be weak at wr, weak at rb is a different story.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343927834' post='1108746']
Yeah I feel the same way. I would imagine a better RB was available when he took Jamaal Charles and I'm sure there were better receivers too. I think he got stuck with second and third tier Rbs and WRs.
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I don't see how that team's weak at WR. Both Nelson and Lloyd could easily finish as top-10 WRs this season. Antonio Brown is more than serviceable as a WR3, regardless of what happens with Wallace. Q makes a great WR4 and Wright is very talented.

[Dubs]

I tried a 10 person mock this time around, normally I try and stick to the 12 person ones on ESPN, but here is how it has some out

Stafford
Ray Rice
Marshawn Lynch
Victor Cruz
Jordy Nelson
Aaron Hernandez
Percy Harvin
Eagles DST
David Akers

Isaac Redman
Robert Meachem
Tony Gonzalez
Jay Cutler
Lagarette Blount
Greg Little
Brian Quick

Overall I like it alot, I was surprised as a couple of people passed on Cruz, and Redman I expected to go higher. This was a 10person league so it was much easier not to have many gaps, I was picking 2nd overall. Slim chances this would happen in an actual draft

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1343927284' post='1108736']
You're set at QB, WR and TE and you've got some high-upside depth too.

Just out of curiosity, are you a Shonn Greene fan? I'm not going to be drafting him in any league this year.
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I'm not really a Shonn Greene fan, but the guys I wanted to target were taken right ahead of me and he was best available. I think he does have some upside, especially if Tim Tebow is used heavily in that offense Greene could grind out a lot of yards similar to McGahee last season.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1343928674' post='1108762']
He probably didn't draft Charles until the 3rd or 4th, which wouldn't be bad value.

My guess is he went Rodgers early first, drafted Graham in the 2nd then either Nelson/Charles in the third. Its part of the problem with drafting one of the stud QBs in round 1, you'll hate some portion of your team quite bad.

WR is super crazy deep. TE is deep outside the elite two and QB is is deep this year as well. RBs are not, and on top of that, they are a lot harder to get on the waiver wire. So if you skip on that position in the first two rounds, its an uphill battle.
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This was my exact strategy. I wanted to take a VBD approach and get players that are signficantly better than average at both QB and TE. I think Rodgers will have another monster year and Jimmy Graham will be IMO the #1 TE in fantasy. He will probably catch 80-90 balls for 1200 yards and 10-12 TDs. That is elite WR production at the TE position.

Picking 4th overall I went Rodgers, Graham, Charles, Nelson, Lloyd, Greene, Brown, Ingram, Boldin, Gerhart, RG3 (potential trade bait), Wright, Williams, Steelers, Flacco, Prater.

I think Charles has a ton of upside and is going a lot later than he should. I got him in the 3rd round which was a steal IMO. You are right the RB position is not deep and if you dont get one early it may be an uphill battle. However, I just dont see RB as a very consistent or dependable position. Lots of guys get hurt and outside of the top 5-6 guys there arent too many who I am very confident in. I could have taken McFadden or DeMarco Murray in the 2nd but I see both of them as risks compared to Graham.

[PuRock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1343932528' post='1108837']
This was my exact strategy. I wanted to take a VBD approach and get players that are signficantly better than average at both QB and TE. I think Rodgers will have another monster year and Jimmy Graham will be IMO the #1 TE in fantasy. He will probably catch 80-90 balls for 1200 yards and 10-12 TDs. That is elite WR production at the TE position.

Picking 4th overall I went Rodgers, Graham, Charles, Nelson, Lloyd, Greene, Brown, Ingram, Boldin, Gerhart, RG3 (potential trade bait), Wright, Williams, Steelers, Flacco, Prater.

I think Charles has a ton of upside and is going a lot later than he should. I got him in the 3rd round which was a steal IMO. You are right the RB position is not deep and if you dont get one early it may be an uphill battle. However, I just dont see RB as a very consistent or dependable position. Lots of guys get hurt and outside of the top 5-6 guys there arent too many who I am very confident in. I could have taken McFadden or DeMarco Murray in the 2nd but I see both of them as risks compared to Graham.
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That seems to be a popular strategy this year. You'll need to take a shot gun approach to RBs, stacking up on them in later rounds. I had a similar strategy in my main league last year when I went WR-QB-WR in the first three rounds (ppr league) then loaded up on RBs. But my RB situation really let me down as the season progressed.

I am very high on Jimmy Graham. For ppr leagues, I have him as a round 1 guy. He has room to grow, they will throw a ton, he'll probably be even more of a focus in a Payton-less offense.

Charles is growing on me. I need to see some PS games first.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1343932166' post='1108829']
I'm not really a Shonn Greene fan, but the guys I wanted to target were taken right ahead of me and he was best available. I think he does have some upside, especially if Tim Tebow is used heavily in that offense Greene could grind out a lot of yards similar to McGahee last season.
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Even in an ideal situation, I'm still not a fan of Greene. But I get the logic.

Random question: Is anyone else letting MJD's contract dispute get in the way of drafting him within the first 6-8 picks?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1343936102' post='1108883']
Even in an ideal situation, I'm still not a fan of Greene. But I get the logic.

Random question: Is anyone else letting MJD's contract dispute get in the way of drafting him within the first 6-8 picks?
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For me MJD is kind of a stay away, and not just because of his contract situation. I think he is healthy, but he has carried the ball a lot over the last 3 seasons and he has had some issues in the past. It's very likely that he will prove me wrong and have another monster year, I just think I would rather have a Calvin Johnson or Tom Brady.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1343936429' post='1108888']
For me MJD is kind of a stay away, and not just because of his contract situation. I think he is healthy, but he has carried the ball a lot over the last 3 seasons and he has had some issues in the past. It's very likely that he will prove me wrong and have another monster year, I just think I would rather have a Calvin Johnson or Tom Brady.
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Agreed. Been doing ESPN mocks from various spots. I took him over Megatron at pick 5 in the one I'm doing now just to see how the draft would turn out. This is what I ended up with:

1) MJD
2) A.J. Green
3) Fred Jackson
4) Dez Bryant
5) Peyton Manning
6) Demaryius thomas
7) Jermichael Finley
8) Anquan Boldin
9) Michael Crabtree
10) Pierre Thomas
11) Mike Williams
12) Steelers
13) Ryan Fitzpatrick
14) Jonathan Dwyer
15) Isaiah Pead
16) Nate Kaeding

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1343936102' post='1108883']
Even in an ideal situation, I'm still not a fan of Greene. But I get the logic.

Random question: Is anyone else letting MJD's contract dispute get in the way of drafting him within the first 6-8 picks?
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Not yet. This wouldn't be the first time he didn't participate in Camp. I can't see him not playing (He'd devalue himself as an NFL player if he sat out games). He'll still be a major feature and maybe this year he'll get a little more help from the passing game. I'm not worrying about him breaking down this year. He's a tough kid and is only 27. Everytime people want to write him off he surprises.

I would still take him before Calvin just because WR is so deep. As apparent by the remaining draft picks you made. AJ Green is the type of guy that wouldn't shock me if he finished as the #1 Fantasy WR.

[JO_75]

I did a mock earlier and MJD dropped to 10th or 11th before being picked in the first.