ESPN Fantasy Football 2012

[JO_75]

Hm... 3 people still haven't signed up. If you haven't signed up yet, PM Me ASAP.

[Gordo52]

I have tried about 4 different sites...and I must say, Fleaflicker is the best one by far IMO.

[codizzle]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343019820' post='1101922']
Hm... 3 people still haven't signed up. If you haven't signed up yet, PM Me ASAP.
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When is the draft? I haven't signed up yet. Need to get to a computer cause I can't do it on my phone

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1343247814' post='1103079']
When is the draft? I haven't signed up yet. Need to get to a computer cause I can't do it on my phone
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August 12th at 9 Eastern i think.

[SydneyRaven]

How bout this mock? 10 team, picking at #4. Snake draft.

1. Shady McCoy
2. Roddy White
3. Trent Richardson
4. Demaryius Thomas
5. Marques Colston
6. Jeremy Maclin
7. Peyton Manning
8. Robert Meacham
9. James Starks
10. Donald Brown
11. Jacob Tamme
12. Jay Cutler
13. Greg Little
14. NYG DEF
15. Kendall Wright

Awesome WR depth.

[codizzle]

[quote name='SydneyRaven' timestamp='1343270424' post='1103271']
How bout this mock? 10 team, picking at #4. Snake draft.

1. Shady McCoy
2. Roddy White
3. Trent Richardson
4. Demaryius Thomas
5. Marques Colston
6. Jeremy Maclin
7. Peyton Manning
8. Robert Meacham
9. James Starks
10. Donald Brown
11. Jacob Tamme
12. Jay Cutler
13. Greg Little
14. NYG DEF
15. Kendall Wright

Awesome WR depth.
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Some good picks.. Terrible TE for a 10 team league though

[gabefergy]

[quote name='SydneyRaven' timestamp='1343270424' post='1103271']
How bout this mock? 10 team, picking at #4. Snake draft.

1. Shady McCoy
2. Roddy White
3. Trent Richardson
4. Demaryius Thomas
5. Marques Colston
6. Jeremy Maclin
7. Peyton Manning
8. Robert Meacham
9. James Starks
10. Donald Brown
11. Jacob Tamme
12. Jay Cutler
13. Greg Little
14. NYG DEF
15. Kendall Wright

Awesome WR depth.
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Good depth but no true #1 WR. TE is a weakness and i dont love your RBs.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1342973570' post='1101725']
This is sad that people let you get this team...big ben and rg 3 in rounds 9 and 13. Forte and Rice?! My money is on you to win it, is it PPR?
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No it's a standard league. Had it been a PPR i'd be pretty confident in seeing my team in the playoffs barring any injuries.

Also i strategize on getting these players in ALL my leagues, give or take a few different choices. Some are a lot lower on the rankings because of prior season injuries/contracts/off-the-field inssues/etc..
All in all , I'm satisfied with how our draft came out.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='SydneyRaven' timestamp='1343270424' post='1103271']
How bout this mock? 10 team, picking at #4. Snake draft.

1. Shady McCoy
2. Roddy White
3. Trent Richardson
4. Demaryius Thomas
5. Marques Colston
6. Jeremy Maclin
7. Peyton Manning
8. Robert Meacham
9. James Starks
10. Donald Brown
11. Jacob Tamme
12. Jay Cutler
13. Greg Little
14. NYG DEF
15. Kendall Wright

Awesome WR depth.
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Decent picks. No kicker though? They are very underrated in a lot of leagues, especially being the first one to get (David Akers?) or another game changing kicker instead of a backup WR in the 13-14 rounds.

Also i would not underestimate a D/ST pick around the 10th round. Baltimore/49ers defense had won me many games last year. It doesn't hurt reaching in for a stud pick instead of picking for bench or picking a backup who might not see the field despite each players potential. There aren't too many stud D/ST or Kickers out there, be sure you are the one who nabs em'...

[a20havoc]

Thanks for the replies. I knew I came to the right place.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1343372719' post='1103942']
Decent picks. No kicker though? They are very underrated in a lot of leagues, especially being the first one to get (David Akers?) or another game changing kicker instead of a backup WR in the 13-14 rounds.

Also i would not underestimate a D/ST pick around the 10th round. Baltimore/49ers defense had won me many games last year. It doesn't hurt reaching in for a stud pick instead of picking for bench or picking a backup who might not see the field despite each players potential. There aren't too many stud D/ST or Kickers out there, be sure you are the one who nabs em'...
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um wow do not listen to this. Kickers are a crap shoot. ESPN recently put in an article goin into detail about this, but to sum it up the 1st ranked kicker does give an adavantage but predicting that is hard. However the 2nd-9th ranked kickers all gave you about the same production.

As for DST, I also believe it is a crap shoot and your better off playing that one by committe and goin with the matchups

Also just to go and flip the coin on his argument, a backup who turns into a stud (Cam Newton last year, Vick 2010, Favre 2009, Blount 2010) is much more valuable than a defense

[JO_75]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1343501546' post='1105645']
um wow do not listen to this. Kickers are a crap shoot. ESPN recently put in an article goin into detail about this, but to sum it up the 1st ranked kicker does give an adavantage but predicting that is hard. However the 2nd-9th ranked kickers all gave you about the same production.

As for DST, I also believe it is a crap shoot and your better off playing that one by committe and goin with the matchups

Also just to go and flip the coin on his argument, a backup who turns into a stud (Cam Newton last year, Vick 2010, Favre 2009, Blount 2010) is much more valuable than a defense
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Kickers are just week to week base on the game and potential for scoring or not. That's what I do with Kickers, I draft one but normally change it up or so as the year goes on. Also I love finding those backups or sleeper picks who become great players, I remember I picked up Matt Forte in his rookie year and that paid off very well. I been trying to see who are the sleeper picks for this year and writing down who I believe can be a late round sleeper pick.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343501955' post='1105649']
Kickers are just week to week base on the game and potential for scoring or not. That's what I do with Kickers, I draft one but normally change it up or so as the year goes on. Also I love finding those backups or sleeper picks who become great players, I remember I picked up Matt Forte in his rookie year and that paid off very well. I been trying to see who are the sleeper picks for this year and writing down who I believe can be a late round sleeper pick.
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I got Arian Foster in the last round the year when he first did great and started him week 1 due to an injury and never benched him after that. Last year I got Jimmy Graham after most teams already drafted TEs and he was a top 2 TE.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1343502067' post='1105650']
I got Arian Foster in the last round the year when he first did great and started him week 1 due to an injury and never benched him after that. Last year I got Jimmy Graham after most teams already drafted TEs and he was a top 2 TE.
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Nice. How do you guys prefer drafting, players who have Byes Late and that will give you some stability in your roster for several weeks or players with early bye weeks?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1343501546' post='1105645']
um wow do not listen to this. Kickers are a crap shoot. ESPN recently put in an article goin into detail about this, but to sum it up the 1st ranked kicker does give an adavantage but predicting that is hard. However the 2nd-9th ranked kickers all gave you about the same production.

As for DST, I also believe it is a crap shoot and your better off playing that one by committe and goin with the matchups

Also just to go and flip the coin on his argument, a backup who turns into a stud (Cam Newton last year, Vick 2010, Favre 2009, Blount 2010) is much more valuable than a defense
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Ditto. I actually encourage people drafting early to go ahead and not draft a kicker (or defense) to get a couple more guys with upside just to see if they pan out during TC/PS. If they don't then they can easily be dropped before the first week for a kicker.

I've measured it before. If I am playing in a league with 12 teams. I can score just as many points with my defenses playing matchups as the top defenses in the league.

I love it when I see defenses going in the middle rounds. Means more players to choose from at my turn.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1343502067' post='1105650']
I got Arian Foster in the last round the year when he first did great and started him week 1 due to an injury and never benched him after that. Last year I got Jimmy Graham after most teams already drafted TEs and he was a top 2 TE.
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I targeted Jimmy Graham in my most my leagues last year. He was such a great value and nobody knew who he was. He was going in the tenth round last year compared to the 2nd round this year. Too bad he wasn't enough to carry my WR-WR approach last year with Andrew Johnson & Roddy White.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1343501546' post='1105645']
um wow do not listen to this. Kickers are a crap shoot. ESPN recently put in an article goin into detail about this, but to sum it up the 1st ranked kicker does give an adavantage but predicting that is hard. However the 2nd-9th ranked kickers all gave you about the same production.

As for DST, I also believe it is a crap shoot and your better off playing that one by committe and goin with the matchups

Also just to go and flip the coin on his argument, a backup who turns into a stud (Cam Newton last year, Vick 2010, Favre 2009, Blount 2010) is much more valuable than a defense
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I came in 3rd place in a 14 team league for my $200 work league, and 2nd places in my other two friend leagues so my theory works for me.

But power to you and your potential players!

[BMOREHAWAII]

2011 Final Fantasy Point Leaders with a Standard League Point System

*Studs Who Go In The 1st/2nd Round*
Calvin Johnson - 265
Victor Cruz - 207
Arian Foster - 256

*Players You Reach For*
9ers D - [b]265[/b]
Baltimore D - [b]254[/b]
David Akers - [b]184[/b]

Im sure it's worth drafting after the 10th IMO...

[PuRock]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1343505816' post='1105706']
2011 Final Fantasy Point Leaders with a Standard League Point System

*Studs Who Go In The 1st/2nd Round*
Calvin Johnson - 265
Victor Cruz - 207
Arian Foster - 256

*Players You Reach For*
9ers D - [b]265[/b]
Baltimore D - [b]254[/b]
David Akers - [b]184[/b]

Im sure it's worth drafting after the 10th IMO...
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Yes they score points, But its all relative to the position though. Akers had a monster year, but the difference between him and the 13th best kicker (who should be a free agent in a 12 team league) is 56 points, or 3 points a game.

The difference between Arian Foster and a guy that might be hanging around the waiver wire (like in 2011 Daniel Thomas, Bernard Scott, Jackie Battle (and these guys probably are on somebodies team) is 200 points, or 13.5 points a game.

Having quality backups in case of injury or bye weeks is much more important because they are harder to replace than a Defense or Kicker. Now if we are talking a 14+ team league. Then Defenses have more value because its harder to play the weekly matchups (less D's available).

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1343506997' post='1105729']
Yes they score points, But its all relative to the position though. Akers had a monster year, but the difference between him and the 13th best kicker (who should be a free agent in a 12 team league) is 56 points, or 3 points a game.

The difference between Arian Foster and a guy that might be hanging around the waiver wire (like in 2011 Daniel Thomas, Bernard Scott, Jackie Battle (and these guys probably are on somebodies team) is 200 points, or 13.5 points a game.

Having quality backups in case of injury or bye weeks is much more important because they are harder to replace than a Defense or Kicker.
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I wouldn't exactly consider any of those players "quality backups" if they have minimal playing time, if at all.

Like i said, it's my own theory which works for me. I'd take a proven stud on K - D/ST, over a backup who might never see the field any day of the week.

Feel free to draft how you feel fit, i dont mind proving my theory.

[bertraven278gary@aol.com]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1339111169' post='1086844']
I am in for this and have pm'd you
[/quote]I'm in for this also let us know if you have enough to start but only if it is a live draft.

[bertraven278gary@aol.com]

Let't play FF.

[JO_75]

[quote name='bertraven278gary@aol.com' timestamp='1343535507' post='1105959']
I'm in for this also let us know if you have enough to start but only if it is a live draft.
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My League is full, you joined too late lol. Welcome to the Forums by the way.

[Sizzlebshu]

2 spots still missing. Also can we use standard ppr rules. I feel that 7 points per td is kind of overkill. 6 is enough.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1343595117' post='1106242']
2 spots still missing. Also can we use standard ppr rules. I feel that 7 points per td is kind of overkill. 6 is enough.
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Yeah I noticed that, I'm trying to figure out who hasn't joined yet. I tried adjusting the points but it won't let me. I thought because I was the commish I would be able to change it at anytime but apparently I can't. At first, I upped the points to reflect the quarterback driven league to give more points for quarterbacks and receivers and was going to change them based off what everyone said. I have tried changing them but ESPN won't let me for some reason.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1343595117' post='1106242']
2 spots still missing. Also can we use standard ppr rules. I feel that 7 points per td is kind of overkill. 6 is enough.
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7 pts/TD isnt that big of deal to me, but combined with 4 pts/50yds passing its just too much.

I dont understand how this cant be changed, but if for some reason it is set in stone can we just make a new league? I know its a pain to get everyone signed up, but I'd like to play with rules that wont swing the league to the 3 teams with Brady/Brees/Rodgers.

[JO_75]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1343603578' post='1106283']
7 pts/TD isnt that big of deal to me, but combined with 4 pts/50yds passing its just too much.

I dont understand how this cant be changed, but if for some reason it is set in stone can we just make a new league? I know its a pain to get everyone signed up, but I'd like to play with rules that wont swing the league to the 3 teams with Brady/Brees/Rodgers.
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Yeah for some reason even though I am the commish and made the league, I can't fix anything after I finalized everything. I have never seen that before, I have always known you were able to change settings if you were the one to make the league. We are getting too close to the Draft Date and we still have people that aren't signed up yet. From the looks it's 3 teams missing, and how will it swing it in the favor of just those quarterbacks? If you draft well enough, you'll be able to compete with them.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343603962' post='1106285']
Yeah for some reason even though I am the commish and made the league, I can't fix anything after I finalized everything. I have never seen that before, I have always known you were able to change settings if you were the one to make the league. We are getting too close to the Draft Date and we still have people that aren't signed up yet. From the looks it's 3 teams missing, and how will it swing it in the favor of just those quarterbacks? If you draft well enough, you'll be able to compete with them.
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The scoring is so QB heavy that the elite QBs are going to dominate even more than they do in regular scoring. Trust me it will play out that way. Have you tried contacting the ESPN guys? There is no reason why you cant change the settings...something must not be working.

[JO_75]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1343604238' post='1106289']
The scoring is so QB heavy that the elite QBs are going to dominate even more than they do in regular scoring. Trust me it will play out that way. Have you tried contacting the ESPN guys? There is no reason why you cant change the settings...something must not be working.
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I signed up for a ESPN Custom League I believe, and for some reason it just won't let me adjust anything despite being a custom league. I thought that meant being able to change anything at any given time. I'll contact the ESPN Fantasy people tomorrow to see if I can fix it or if they can adjust it back to the normal ESPN scoring.

Plus as some said, this does bring some strategy to it and I would feel accomplished if I could beat someone with elite QBs by not having an elite QB on my fantasy team despite the scoring leaning toward QBs. There's that competitiveness in me where I feel like, if I didn't end up with one of those elite QBs, I would feel challenged and ready to win showing that despite the scoring leaning toward QBs, that I didn't need an elite QB to win.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1343604542' post='1106291']
I signed up for a ESPN Custom League I believe, and for some reason it just won't let me adjust anything despite being a custom league. I thought that meant being able to change anything at any given time. I'll contact the ESPN Fantasy people tomorrow to see if I can fix it or if they can adjust it back to the normal ESPN scoring.

Plus as some said, this does bring some strategy to it and I would feel accomplished if I could beat someone with elite QBs by not having an elite QB on my fantasy team despite the scoring leaning toward QBs. There's that competitiveness in me where I feel like, if I didn't end up with one of those elite QBs, I would feel challenged and ready to win showing that despite the scoring leaning toward QBs, that I didn't need an elite QB to win.
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If it's impossible to change (which I find hard to believe) I'll go along with it, but just to show you how skewed the scoring will be check out the ESPN projections with these scoring settings. They have guys like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford scoring 650+ points over the course of the season. 650 points!!! The next tier of QBs are projected at about 550 points...thats 100point difference, and thats not even considering the lower tier QBs some poeple are going to have to start in a 14 team league. Elite RBs are like 275 points over the course of a season just to put in perspective.