ESPN Fantasy Football 2012

[JO_75]

This trade gets processed on the 16th, so we have 2 days to veto and I just don't know. In hindsight it is a bad trade when you look at what Turner has done in the past compared to Lloyd who has just been average. Now you see Turner declining not only in carries but also himself but I still don't think it is a fair trade because as ATD said, Gronk is going to get more catches but then again Lloyd could see more catches due to the fact that teams will be covering Gronk and Welker. I'm iffy on the trade, I want to veto it but then I don't.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344976089' post='1119082']

yea but now your only rb is reggie bush. Spiller and Royster dont seem too dependable to me but if you think you can get away with Lloyd go for it. Just to give you an idea of how inconsistent the wide receiver position is go read Matthew Berry's Manifesto. It gives you some stats on the position in general and how much it typically scores.
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Go read his bit on brandon lloyd and you see why i am so high on him.

[Mt. Crushmore]

I need a RB and Turner has bust potential. Gabe wanted Lloyd who has a chance to breakout. Its risky for both of us but is fair and should be allowed.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344976089' post='1119082']

yea but now your only rb is reggie bush. Spiller and Royster dont seem too dependable to me but if you think you can get away with Lloyd go for it. Just to give you an idea of how inconsistent the wide receiver position is go read Matthew Berry's Manifesto. It gives you some stats on the position in general and how much it typically scores.
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Royster is slated to start for washington and ryan Williams is a great handcuff for the always injured beanie wells. Spiller will get his touches. Im not concerned about that. Besides who says im dine trading?

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344976257' post='1119085']
Go read his bit on brandon lloyd and you see why i am so high on him.
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I did I dont agree with everything he says, but the numbers he puts out on wide receiver consistency do make sense. Here I'll copy the post.

In Tristan's ratings, a "start"-worthy performance is at least eight fantasy points. Anyway, among wide receivers, guess how many have a start percentage of 75 percent or better? Forget being a stud -- just how many WR were worth starting at least three of every four games last year?
Only one. Calvin Johnson.
Lower it to 68 percent, and we get six more: Welker, Green, Jennings, Nelson, Cruz, Smith and [url="javascript:newWin('http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11458/steve-johnson')"]Steve Johnson[/url]. Seven guys.
OK, let's lower it to 50 percent. I mean, just half the time, he's worth starting. Not amazing, just eight points or better. How many for fifty percent?
Exactly 20. Fitzgerald, White, Nicks, Wallace, Marshall, [url="javascript:newWin('http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4582/brandon-lloyd')"]Brandon Lloyd[/url], [url="javascript:newWin('http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12569/percy-harvin')"]Percy Harvin[/url], [url="javascript:newWin('http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10519/laurent-robinson')"]Laurent Robinson[/url], [url="javascript:newWin('http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9611/santonio-holmes')"]Santonio Holmes[/url], [url="javascript:newWin('http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10467/dwayne-bowe')"]Dwayne Bowe[/url], [url="javascript:newWin('http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13215/dez-bryant')"]Dez Bryant[/url] and [url="javascript:newWin('http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13934/antonio-brown')"]Antonio Brown[/url] now also make the cut.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344976568' post='1119089']
Royster is slated to start for washington and ryan Williams is a great handcuff for the always injured beanie wells. Spiller will get his touches. Im not concerned about that. Besides who says im dine trading?
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Not saying your done, but you lowered your trade bait considerably to jennings and lloyd (possibly bowe but not right now) and a couple of rb2 rb3 candidates. If you have to flip one of them to get an rb doesnt it kind of defeat the purpose of trade 1?

As for rbs tho I have a bunch so lmk if you need any and are willing to get rid of some of those wide outs for them.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344976089' post='1119082']
yea but now your only rb is reggie bush. Spiller and Royster dont seem too dependable to me but if you think you can get away with Lloyd go for it. Just to give you an idea of how inconsistent the wide receiver position is go read Matthew Berry's Manifesto. It gives you some stats on the position in general and how much it typically scores.
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Holy hell your right. He'd be going into the season with Reggie Bush, CJ Spiller, Evan Royster, an Robert Turbin. I'd be curled up like a ball in the corner.

He already has Jennings and Austin in a non-ppr league.

[PuRock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344976568' post='1119089']
[b]Royster is slated to start for washington[/b] and ryan Williams is a great handcuff for the always injured beanie wells. Spiller will get his touches. Im not concerned about that. Besides who says im dine trading?
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He might be slated to start. Burt then Shanny will change his mind because he'll have an itch on his butt. Helu would then start week 2. Hightower in Week 3. Then they'd pick up Ryan Grant and he'll be staring week 8.

Royster is a plodder.

[Sizzlebshu]

Alright guys lets just drop this, what's done is done. No need to brow beat gabe over it. If you dont like it you can veto it, even tho you shouldnt unless you suspect collusion. Mt C. got away with a steal but such is fantasy football. No need to get jealous over it. Just go make better trades

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344976674' post='1119092']


Not saying your done, but you lowered your trade bait considerably to jennings and lloyd (possibly bowe but not right now) and a couple of rb2 rb3 candidates. If you have to flip one of them to get an rb doesnt it kind of defeat the purpose of trade 1?

As for rbs tho I have a bunch so lmk if you need any and are willing to get rid of some of those wide outs for them.
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Completely depends on the player i get. I have 5 starting caliber WRs. Im sure someone like denarius moore right?

[gabefergy]

You guys scoff now...but i made a trade that i think makes my team better. Wait til the season to pass judgement because right now know ones anything.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344976930' post='1119100']
Completely depends on the player i get. I have 5 starting caliber WRs. Im sure someone like denarius moore right?
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well given the numbers I just gave you I wouldnt consider moore starting caliber and I personally took Heyward Bey over him. Less injuries + more targets from palmer but if you feel like you have 5 you may be able to do something. Lmk if you want to make a deal tho

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344977118' post='1119106']

well given the numbers I just gave you I wouldnt consider moore starting caliber and I personally took Heyward Bey over him. Less injuries + more targets from palmer but if you feel like you have 5 you may be able to do something. Lmk if you want to make a deal tho
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Thats just personal preference. Everyone seems to forget we start 3 WRs. That makes a difference. 42 Wrs have to be started each week.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1344977312' post='1119108']
Thats just personal preference. Everyone seems to forget we start 3 WRs. That makes a difference. 42 Wrs have to be started each week.
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You also seem to forget we have a flex spot (why do we have both?) where you can start a 3rd rb which Id rather be strong at than strong starting 3 wide receivers.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344977393' post='1119114']
You also seem to forget we have a flex spot (why do we have both?) where you can start a 3rd rb which Id rather be strong at than strong starting 3 wide receivers.
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Yeah I have no idea why I left it at that. I meant to get rid of the Flex spot but forgot to.

The way I look at this, if it works out, it works out, if not and Lloyd and Turner don't do nothing then we can look back and laugh at the trade for not being helpful to anyone.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1344977393' post='1119114']
You also seem to forget we have a flex spot (why do we have both?) where you can start a 3rd rb which Id rather be strong at than strong starting 3 wide receivers.
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Damn straight. Its better to have ample RBs than WRs. Its always easy to find WRs on the waiver. RBs is near impossible.

[Sizzlebshu]

Anyway if anyone needs RB's pm me or just send me an offer in the league. Mcfadden, Martin Murray, Hillis all on the block, dont mind blockbuster deals either.

[gabefergy]

I have a glut of WRs now if anyone feels like they need some help at that position. Anyone is available for trade for the right offer: Jennings, Lloyd, Austin, D. Moore, N. Washington.

[Gordo52]

I like Turner this year....If he was in a different offense I wouldn't, but I don't see him declining much. I don't expect 1,300 yards but the TDs will be over 10. If you want my opinion why I'll give it later, just don't feel like typing all of that right now. haha

[Gordo52]

Anybody interested in a QB league? I want to keep it small, something like 8...

The site would be Fleaflicker, which IMO is the easiest and best to use. Hardly no adds, loads fast, everything isn't crambed up with things like ESPN and NFL.com, and it gets right to it, which is what I like the most about it. I've been doing it like that for 3 years now, and I love it. Most fun IMO.

The scoring would be like so....


[b]Passing[/b]
[color=green]1[/color] point for every [color=#336699]20[/color] [color=#343434][b]Passing Yards[/b][/color] ([color=green]0.05[/color] per)
[color=green]2[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]2 Pt Conversion Passing[/b][/color]
[color=green]6[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Passing TD[/b][/color]
[color=green]4[/color] extra points for every [color=#343434][b]Passing TD[/b][/color] of [color=#FF9900]80[/color] or more yards
[color=green]2[/color] extra points for every [color=#343434][b]Passing TD[/b][/color] between [color=#FF9900]40[/color] and [color=#FF9900]79[/color] yards (inclusive)
[color=red]-2[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Interception[/b][/color]
[b]Rushing[/b]
[color=green]1[/color] point for every [color=#336699]10[/color] [color=#343434][b]Rushing Yards[/b][/color] ([color=green]0.1[/color] per)
[color=green]2[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]2 Pt Conversion Rushing[/b][/color]
[color=green]6[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Rushing TD[/b][/color]
[color=green]4[/color] extra points for every [color=#343434][b]Rushing TD[/b][/color] of [color=#FF9900]80[/color] or more yards
[color=green]2[/color] extra points for every [color=#343434][b]Rushing TD[/b][/color] between [color=#FF9900]40[/color] and [color=#FF9900]79[/color] yards (inclusive)
[b]Receiving[/b]
[color=green]1[/color] point for every [color=#336699]10[/color] [color=#343434][b]Receiving Yards[/b][/color] ([color=green]0.1[/color] per)
[color=green]2[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]2 Pt Conversion Receiving[/b][/color]
[color=green]6[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Receiving TD[/b][/color]
[color=green]4[/color] extra points for every [color=#343434][b]Receiving TD[/b][/color] of [color=#FF9900]80[/color] or more yards
[color=green]2[/color] extra points for every [color=#343434][b]Receiving TD[/b][/color] between [color=#FF9900]40[/color] and [color=#FF9900]79[/color] yards (inclusive)
[b]Misc[/b]
[color=red]-1[/color] point for every [color=#343434][b]Fumble[/b][/color]
[color=red]-2[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Fumble Lost[/b][/color]
[b]Kicking[/b]
[color=green]3[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Field Goal Made[/b][/color]
[color=green]3[/color] extra points for every [color=#343434][b]Field Goal Made[/b][/color] of [color=#FF9900]50[/color] or more yards
[color=green]1[/color] extra point for every [color=#343434][b]Field Goal Made[/b][/color] between [color=#FF9900]40[/color] and [color=#FF9900]49[/color] yards (inclusive)
[color=green]1[/color] point for every [color=#343434][b]XP[/b][/color]
[b]Returning[/b]
[color=green]8[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Kick Return Yards[/b][/color] is greater than or equal to [color=#FF9900]150[/color]
[color=green]6[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Kick Return Yards[/b][/color] is between [color=#FF9900]120[/color] and [color=#FF9900]149[/color] (inclusive)
[color=green]6[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Kick Return TD[/b][/color]
[color=green]6[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Punt Return TD[/b][/color]

[b]Defense[/b]
[color=green]3[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Interception[/b][/color]
[color=green]2[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Sack[/b][/color]
[color=green]2[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Fumble Forced[/b][/color]
[color=green]2[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Fumble Recovered[/b][/color]
[color=green]4[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Safety[/b][/color]
[color=green]6[/color] points for every [color=#343434][b]Defensive TD[/b][/color]
[color=green]4[/color] extra points for every [color=#343434][b]Defensive TD[/b][/color] of [color=#FF9900]80[/color] or more yards
[color=green]2[/color] extra points for every [color=#343434][b]Defensive TD[/b][/color] between [color=#FF9900]40[/color] and [color=#FF9900]79[/color] yards (inclusive)
[color=green]8[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Points Allowed[/b][/color] is less than or equal to [color=#FF9900]6[/color]
[color=green]6[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Points Allowed[/b][/color] is less than or equal to [color=#FF9900]10[/color]
[color=green]4[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Points Allowed[/b][/color] is less than or equal to [color=#FF9900]14[/color]
[color=green]2[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Points Allowed[/b][/color] is less than or equal to [color=#FF9900]20[/color]
[color=green]10[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Points Allowed[/b][/color] is exactly [color=#FF9900]0[/color]
[color=green]14[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Net Yards Allowed[/b][/color] is less than or equal to [color=#FF9900]60[/color]
[color=green]12[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Net Yards Allowed[/b][/color] is between [color=#FF9900]61[/color] and [color=#FF9900]80[/color] (inclusive)
[color=green]10[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Net Yards Allowed[/b][/color] is between [color=#FF9900]81[/color] and [color=#FF9900]100[/color] (inclusive)
[color=green]8[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Net Yards Allowed[/b][/color] is between [color=#FF9900]101[/color] and [color=#FF9900]120[/color] (inclusive)
[color=green]6[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Net Yards Allowed[/b][/color] is between [color=#FF9900]121[/color] and [color=#FF9900]140[/color] (inclusive)
[color=green]4[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Net Yards Allowed[/b][/color] is between [color=#FF9900]141[/color] and [color=#FF9900]160[/color] (inclusive)
[color=green]2[/color] extra points when total [color=#343434][b]Net Yards Allowed[/b][/color] is between [color=#FF9900]161[/color] and [color=#FF9900]180[/color] (inclusive)

Roster Requirements [color=#343434][b]1[/b][/color] [color=#2B477F]QB[/color], [color=#343434][b]2[/b][/color] [color=#2B477F]RB[/color], [color=#343434][b]2[/b][/color] [color=#2B477F]WR[/color], [color=#343434][b]1[/b][/color] [color=#2B477F]TE[/color], [color=#343434][b]1[/b][/color] [color=#2B477F]K[/color], [color=#343434][b]1[/b][/color][color=#2B477F]QB/RB/WR/TE/K[/color], [color=#343434][b]1[/b][/color] [color=#2B477F]TM[/color] Totals 16: [color=#538018]9 Starters[/color], [color=#B61318]7 Bench[/color]

I didn't want to make a new thread about it, I kind of just want people from here in it. Sorry this takes up alot of room... Let me know if anyones interested.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1345009732' post='1119341']
I like Turner this year....If he was in a different offense I wouldn't, but I don't see him declining much. I don't expect 1,300 yards but the TDs will be over 10. If you want my opinion why I'll give it later, just don't feel like typing all of that right now. haha
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+ he had one of the top 5 easiest running schedules in the league so he had that working fo rhim to.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1345011570' post='1119345']
+ he had one of the top 5 easiest running schedules in the league so he had that working fo rhim to.
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Alright, I didn't feel like typing but I cant sleep and I'm bored....

This year he has a really easy schedule as well. He only faces 1 team last year who had a top 5 rushing defense. (I believe, it's something I read somewhere on ESPN, still really good schedule).

-Jones,White and Gonzalez will do nothing but only help Turner this season. Defenses will focus on them more which will open up the field for him.

-The Falcons defense I think will improve dramatically, especially with them getting Mike Nolan. Which means Turner will still pound the rock, because ATL should have more leads in games.

-He's the goaline back. Also best pass blocker RB on team.

-When Turner carries the ball more then 20+ a game, the Falcons are like 28-3. Granted they run more when they are winning, but Turner still has a huge impact of that.

-Less pressure on him, Addition of Konz who is a great run blocker, he's in a contract year. Should get around 240-250 carries this year, so he will be fresher then normally. He's also very motivated to prove alot of people wrong. Everyone is trying to predict this season will be his down year, but I heard that last year as well. Also the year before that.
Since 2008 no RB besides AP has more TDs then him. He's consistent in the TD category, which is key to fantasy. He will only decline if he battles an injury, or changes teams.

With that being said, I believe if Turner was on a different team then he would decline but I just can't see it for this year. The only thing that concerns me is his age. But Fred Jackson just went off last year in a offense that is not nearly as good or dependent on him then Turners. And he was 32. (I think)

If DMC stays healthy all year I think he'll be a top back. I also think Turner and DMC's TD's will be very close to eachother.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1345013209' post='1119349']
Alright, I didn't feel like typing but I cant sleep and I'm bored....

This year he has a really easy schedule as well. He only faces 1 team last year who had a top 5 rushing defense. (I believe, it's something I read somewhere on ESPN, still really good schedule).

-Jones,White and Gonzalez will do nothing but only help Turner this season. Defenses will focus on them more which will open up the field for him.

-The Falcons defense I think will improve dramatically, especially with them getting Mike Nolan. Which means Turner will still pound the rock, because ATL should have more leads in games.

-He's the goaline back. Also best pass blocker RB on team.

-When Turner carries the ball more then 20+ a game, the Falcons are like 28-3. Granted they run more when they are winning, but Turner still has a huge impact of that.

-Less pressure on him, Addition of Konz who is a great run blocker, he's in a contract year. Should get around 240-250 carries this year, so he will be fresher then normally. He's also very motivated to prove alot of people wrong. Everyone is trying to predict this season will be his down year, but I heard that last year as well. Also the year before that.
Since 2008 no RB besides AP has more TDs then him. He's consistent in the TD category, which is key to fantasy. He will only decline if he battles an injury, or changes teams.

With that being said, I believe if Turner was on a different team then he would decline but I just can't see it for this year. The only thing that concerns me is his age. But Fred Jackson just went off last year in a offense that is not nearly as good or dependent on him then Turners. And he was 32. (I think)

If DMC stays healthy all year I think he'll be a top back. I also think Turner and DMC's TD's will be very close to eachother.
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In addition to all of that, garbage time carries will factor into his value which if the falcons vertical offense is what it says it is should be substantial.

On top of that though, the Falcons did try to hand the keys to the offense over to Matty Ice last year and it did not work out amaizngly well and ended up reverting to Turner on the ground. I suspect there will be a bit more balance this time around, if for no other reason than it makes the Falcons that much more dangerous of an offense.

Also if he gets 250 carries this season that averages out to about 16 a game which is still a great workload.

As for DMC, he is the guy when healthy (best back in the league imo). Hopefully for the sake of his career he shake off the bad luck with injuries (lisfranc, hamstring, orbital bone) and show his talent.

[PuRock]

Did anyone else notice that Justin Tucker isn't even listed in ESPN's fantasy leagues?

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1345042635' post='1119477']
Did anyone else notice that Justin Tucker isn't even listed in ESPN's fantasy leagues?
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yep

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1345013209' post='1119349']

Alright, I didn't feel like typing but I cant sleep and I'm bored....

This year he has a really easy schedule as well. He only faces 1 team last year who had a top 5 rushing defense. (I believe, it's something I read somewhere on ESPN, still really good schedule).

-Jones,White and Gonzalez will do nothing but only help Turner this season. Defenses will focus on them more which will open up the field for him.

-The Falcons defense I think will improve dramatically, especially with them getting Mike Nolan. Which means Turner will still pound the rock, because ATL should have more leads in games.

-He's the goaline back. Also best pass blocker RB on team.

-When Turner carries the ball more then 20+ a game, the Falcons are like 28-3. Granted they run more when they are winning, but Turner still has a huge impact of that.

-Less pressure on him, Addition of Konz who is a great run blocker, he's in a contract year. Should get around 240-250 carries this year, so he will be fresher then normally. He's also very motivated to prove alot of people wrong. Everyone is trying to predict this season will be his down year, but I heard that last year as well. Also the year before that.
Since 2008 no RB besides AP has more TDs then him. He's consistent in the TD category, which is key to fantasy. He will only decline if he battles an injury, or changes teams.

With that being said, I believe if Turner was on a different team then he would decline but I just can't see it for this year. The only thing that concerns me is his age. But Fred Jackson just went off last year in a offense that is not nearly as good or dependent on him then Turners. And he was 32. (I think)

If DMC stays healthy all year I think he'll be a top back. I also think Turner and DMC's TD's will be very close to eachother.
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There are just as many reasons not to like Turner. He has carried the ball a ton over the past 4 years and last season it caught up to him. His numbers are skewed from last year because of a monster game in week 17 against the hapless Bucs. Over the last 6 weeks of the season, he was averaging less then 3.5 ypc and scored only 1 TD. The Falcons have made it clear he wont carry the ball as much in their new offense. They want to get Rodgers more involved and pass more. He's gonna be a disappointment guaranteed.

[JO_75]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1345042635' post='1119477']
Did anyone else notice that Justin Tucker isn't even listed in ESPN's fantasy leagues?
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I saw that, I'm waiting for Tucker to get the job and to him be added so I can pick him up before anyone else does.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1345046242' post='1119529']
I saw that,[b] I'm waiting for Tucker to get the job [/b]and to him be added so I can pick him up before anyone else does.
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Well if that's the case you won't have him at the start of the season. Because I was planning on picking him up even if he hasn't won the job yet. He's a kicker. If he doesn't get the job, I'll grab another one. It would just be nice to be extra happy when Tucker kicks FGs.

[codizzle]

Written already hurt.. Awesome sauce

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1345049843' post='1119578']
Written already hurt.. Awesome sauce
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preseason man its only preseason. Altho I gotta say...a spleen injury. Thats a new one