Trade Ray Rice?

[CapoRocky]

They will have to franchise him for around 9M next year.

[CalvinSmoke]

Rice wont be going anywhere... i hope *gulp* Though i hope we farm our young RBs well

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1338490841' post='1084594']
They will have to franchise him for around 9M next year.
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People thinking a Flacco deal will get done this season are kidding themselves, so that isn't an issue. If Rice isn't signed before July 16 he's gone from the team after this season.

[codizzle]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1338479159' post='1084506']
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Riiiiight....just go ahead, pay the guy whatever he wants. Why stop at $10M a year and $30M guaranteed? "Hey Ray, $15M a year it is fella!"
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He is vary important

[CapoRocky]

It's really going to be a shame if they have to let Rice go because we can't afford him.

[DieHardRavensFan52]

I wouldn't trade Rice, unless the choice was inevitable. I don't think he deserves AP money, as most would agree. I do think the overload of carries could factor into a early decline. Emmitt Smith carried the ball a lot and maintained a long career, so it isn't always true.

[jmckinney]

[sup][b]dont trade him we need him to badly for are offensive gain in yards [/b][/sup]

[black blood purple passion]

you don't trade away 40% of your offence.....or w.e percentage he is.....trading him is ridiculous, he's too important.

[scrock]

[quote name='flock master' timestamp='1338473498' post='1084444']
hey the ravens just should pay ray rice what he wants he is vary important to the team if they don't their going to lose a dam good player.
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We can't afford to pay Ray Rice what he wants, he wants AP type money, its not happening....you can't invest that much money into a RB whose life in the NFL isnt very long to begin with but not only that they can be replaced more easily than maybe any other position.

Rice will sign a deal something like 4-5 years for 9mil per year...25 million guaranteed or something..he'll be on the Shady McCoy levle, the Arian Foster level...not CJ or AP level

[GrimCoconut]

I still subscribe to the belief that Rice is holding out to see if a better deal comes before the deadline, which is unlikely to happen. I don't hold Rice's holdout against him. The scenarios I see from most likely to least likely are:

1.) Rice waits until the deadline, gets a deal similar to Foster, McCoy, etc.
2.) Rice signs his tender and plays out the year on the tag, the Ravens extend Flacco, Rice walks next free agency.
3.) Rice is traded to another team for draft picks this year.
4.) Rice is tagged two years in a row.
5.) Ravens sign Rice to the money he wants and count on Lewis, Reed, & Birk to retire and release Boldin next year.
6.) Ravens sign Rice to the money he wants and let Flacco go.

[scrock]

lets just say Ray wants 10 million a year and the Ravens are offering more like 8 million a year....they'll meet in the middle somewhere and Ray will make something like 9 million a year but the way they can structure it it could be front loaded and in the last years of the deal his cap hit could be 3 million a year or something....idk thats why im not a capologist

[gabefergy]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1338993209' post='1086147']
lets just say Ray wants 10 million a year and the Ravens are offering more like 8 million a year....they'll meet in the middle somewhere and Ray will make something like 9 million a year but the way they can structure it it could be front loaded and in the last years of the deal his cap hit could be 3 million a year or something....idk thats why im not a capologist
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I think the problem lies within the amount of guaranteed money he wants. CJ got 30M while Foster/McCoy got more like 20M. The more money that is guaranteed means it is probably more money in bonuses which create dead money against the cap. I'm hoping that they come to some kind of agreement where Ray gets 22-25M guaranteed but a total contract worth no more than 45M. The Ravens also have very little wiggle room in this year's cap so there is almost guaranteed to be some large numbers against the cap by the end of the contract.

[usmccharles]

Im sick of hearing that RR wants AP money. I Honestly think he even thinks he doesnt deserve that type of money. This is nothing but a negotiating tactic; You way over shoot what you actually want so the counter offer is somewhere in the ballpark your looking to get in the first place. Perfect example (ive said this before)...When you go to put your car up for sale and you want to get at least 10k for it, you wouldnt put a price tag of 10k, most likely 10,500 or 11k. Its just negotiating. We know how the Ravens FO handles this stuff and wont budge off of their top offer, just depends if its enough for rice. I think the foster deal would be ideal. BUT all that being said, the biggest mistake would to be to let him walk and get nothing in return.

[Thepurplehaze]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1339059856' post='1086520']
Im sick of hearing that RR wants AP money. I Honestly think he even thinks he doesnt deserve that type of money. This is nothing but a negotiating tactic; You way over shoot what you actually want so the counter offer is somewhere in the ballpark your looking to get in the first place. Perfect example (ive said this before)...When you go to put your car up for sale and you want to get at least 10k for it, you wouldnt put a price tag of 10k, most likely 10,500 or 11k. Its just negotiating. We know how the Ravens FO handles this stuff and wont budge off of their top offer, just depends if its enough for rice. I think the foster deal would be ideal. BUT all that being said, the biggest mistake would to be to let him walk and get nothing in return.
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Ray Rice knows, and the world knows he will never get AP money. The question is..will the ravens be able to sign Flacco and Rice in the same year? Probably not. Flacco is #1 priority.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1339062651' post='1086524']
Ray Rice knows, and the world knows he will never get AP money. The question is..will the ravens be able to sign Flacco and Rice in the same year? Probably not. Flacco is #1 priority.
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Both in the same year...no way.

[scrock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1339033306' post='1086463']
I think the problem lies within the amount of guaranteed money he wants. CJ got 30M while Foster/McCoy got more like 20M. The more money that is guaranteed means it is probably more money in bonuses which create dead money against the cap. I'm hoping that they come to some kind of agreement where Ray gets 22-25M guaranteed but a total contract worth no more than 45M. The Ravens also have very little wiggle room in this year's cap so there is almost guaranteed to be some large numbers against the cap by the end of the contract.
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that's why Ray will probably get between 20-25 million gauranteed

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1339059856' post='1086520']
Im sick of hearing that RR wants AP money. I Honestly think he even thinks he doesnt deserve that type of money. This is nothing but a negotiating tactic; You way over shoot what you actually want so the counter offer is somewhere in the ballpark your looking to get in the first place. Perfect example (ive said this before)...When you go to put your car up for sale and you want to get at least 10k for it, you wouldnt put a price tag of 10k, most likely 10,500 or 11k. Its just negotiating. We know how the Ravens FO handles this stuff and wont budge off of their top offer, just depends if its enough for rice. I think the foster deal would be ideal. BUT all that being said, the biggest mistake would to be to let him walk and get nothing in return.
[/quote]yea youd ask for a weee bit more, you wouldnt ask for 14k... thats in esscence what RR is doing if he is asking for AP, its so high there would be no counter offer.

[Yum Chickens]

I see your point. But I'm tired of our offense completely changing every year. I'm happy it's staying consistent for once and I want to see what we'll be like this season.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1337868857' post='1081791']


I say just let Rice play out the season on the franchise tag and make him a fair offer during the season after Flacco is signed. We can't put all of our money into Rice and lose Flacco. That's what we did with Yanda and we lost Grubbs. There are a lot of "ifs" going into this season. If Rice has another quality year and if the other two backs don't live up to their potential, then Rice will have much more leverage in the negotiations process. If Rice has a subpar season and the other two backs are ready to start, then we will be faced with the decision to trade Rice or tag him for another season. I hope that we sign him, but this is the NFL (negotiating financial league) where money is the king.
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Rice may cave in and play under the franchise tag, but he won't be happy, risking injury without a long term deal ( people should remember Rice was a second round RB, just like Matt Forte ) that played out their rookie contracts, honored the contracts without a complaint and now they want to get their first big paydays.
I've read a few ESPN Insider articles along with an article or 2 on here that Management wants to get Rice deal done then focus on Flacco because Flacco still has 1 year left under contract.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1339059856' post='1086520']
Im sick of hearing that RR wants AP money. I Honestly think he even thinks he doesnt deserve that type of money. This is nothing but a negotiating tactic; You way over shoot what you actually want so the counter offer is somewhere in the ballpark your looking to get in the first place. Perfect example (ive said this before)...When you go to put your car up for sale and you want to get at least 10k for it, you wouldnt put a price tag of 10k, most likely 10,500 or 11k. Its just negotiating. We know how the Ravens FO handles this stuff and wont budge off of their top offer, just depends if its enough for rice. I think the foster deal would be ideal. BUT all that being said, the biggest mistake would to be to let him walk and get nothing in return.
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You are correct it is negotiating and haggling. But as I read this and I understand your analogy I see how some people will instantly perceive. Selling a car isn't a good enough example because cars lose value so quickly. Buying a used car could work with the haggling negotiations like this... But buying a house is exactly like this if the owners know the house market value is $70K, then they may price the house anywhere from $75K-80K that way negotiations allow some wiggle room to still break even.

Ray Rice isn't the only player doing this lol, the Reason no team signed mike Wallace to an offer sheet is because his agent informed teams Mike Wallace wants a contract somewhere near Larry Fitzgerald 8yr 120M & Calvin Johnson 8yr 132M. Lol I mean wow.

[GarrettDowning]

A couple things to consider here with the idea of trading Rice...

While it seems right now like contract talks aren't going well, that is the nature of contract talks. Look in New Orleans, where QB Drew Brees is staying out of workouts because of wanting his long-term deal. The same thing is happening in Chicago with Matt Forte. That's just the way the business side of the NFL works. Contract talks rarely seem to be going well until they are actually done and a new deal is signed.

Plus, if the Ravens were to try to trade Rice, the new team would be in the same situation as the Ravens, in that he still wants a long-term deal for a lot of money. And it's no guarantee that another team would pay him more than the Ravens.

If the two sides can't work out a long-term deal this offseason, then Rice will play under the franchise tag this year. AND the Ravens still have the option to franchise him next year, as well.

So long story short, don't expect Ray Rice to be traded. Rest assured, he'll be in purple and black this year.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1339062651' post='1086524']

Ray Rice knows, and the world knows he will never get AP money. The question is..will the ravens be able to sign Flacco and Rice in the same year? Probably not. Flacco is #1 priority.
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You know what i am thinking about that? If the Front Office really believes that Joe is the Real Deal why wouldn't they try to sign him this offseason. If he gets to the playoffs five years in a row and even gets us to the superbowl he might be much more expensive next year. Never the less i don't think that we should resign him before next Year. I would much rather have Ray Rice locked up because he is really special..

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1339089208' post='1086679']
You know what i am thinking about that? [b]If the Front Office really believes that Joe is the Real Deal why wouldn't they try to sign him this offseason.[/b] If he gets to the playoffs five years in a row and even gets us to the superbowl he might be much more expensive next year. [b]Never the less i don't think that we should resign him before next Year.[/b] [b]I would much rather have Ray Rice locked up because he is really special..[/b]
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That a deal hasn't actually been finalized doesn't mean the front office hasn't tried to re-sign Joe long-term this off-season. Negotiations for long-term contracts are long processes, especially with this front office.

That Rice is "special" is the reasoning behind preferring to see him get locked up this off-season over Flacco? I don't get it...

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1339089208' post='1086679']
You know what i am thinking about that? If the Front Office really believes that Joe is the Real Deal why wouldn't they try to sign him this offseason. If he gets to the playoffs five years in a row and even gets us to the superbowl he might be much more expensive next year. Never the less i don't think that we should resign him before next Year. I would much rather have Ray Rice locked up because he is really special..
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QBs are much more valuable than RBs. The FO is trying to keep both players, but if we come upon next season and neither has a long term deal, the Franchise Tag will go to Flacco. He is pretty "special" too.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1337956835' post='1082282']
Have you seen what our game is like w/o a run game? Obviously you must've loved the +50 passing game in jaguars to justify your thought on getting rid of rice.

I don't know what kind of game you have been watching last season. But our passing game is a joke. Rice is a top 5 back uncontended. You get rid of rice for '1st round and some' and you would be replacing the best RB Ravens have ever had.

It's a good thing this is a internet forum and none of your opinion has any weight as how our organization is run.
[/quote]Wow thank you i couldn't agree more. We want to trade Rice in hopes that all the over throws that we became accustomed to seeing have disappeared due to another off season and a few brand new receivers. These guys, I have no idea where their heads are at.

To be clear though if I have to pick between Ray Rice and Flacco I would take Flacco, but it is only by a small margin. They are both equally important to this offense and what we want to do. Ray Rice is a professional on and off the field, and he has earned any money that we give him two times over. To just trade him after all he has done for us on a rookie contract would send a shock wave throughout our team. We would send a message to the players that there is no future in Baltimore. Pay the man. He's earned his keep .Keep it reasonable though. Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson money is out of the question.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1339125090' post='1086942']
Wow thank you i couldn't agree more. We want to trade Rice in hopes that all the over throws that we became accustomed to seeing have disappeared due to another off season and a few brand new receivers. [b]These guys, I have no idea where their heads are at.[/b]

To be clear though if I have to pick between Ray Rice and Flacco I would take Flacco, but it is only by a small margin. They are both equally important to this offense and what we want to do. Ray Rice is a professional on and off the field, and he has earned any money that we give him two times over. To just trade him after all he has done for us on a rookie contract would send a shock wave throughout our team. We would send a message to the players that there is no future in Baltimore. Pay the man. He's earned his keep .Keep it reasonable though. Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson money is out of the question.
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They think we can just throw pierce in there and basically make up rices production, which to me is hilarious that people think its that easy to have a RB produce those kind of numbers. If it ever comes down to a choice between flacco and RR, you have to go flacco, i dont think its even close. I really dont feel like searching the next ten years for another qb and wasting talent on defense. Luckily none of us can make these decisions and we will be led the right way by the FO, everyone was outraged when heap and mason was cut, i included, but it worked out very well. That being said, if we let RR walk....i will have more than just a bit of bitterness towards the organization.

[TZMou]

He's acted dignified throughout this whole process, which is nice to see. Really hope we don't lose him, he's everything on our offense, and someone we should really utilise more.

[Ravens4Real]

Let's keep this in perspective. A bunch of people in this thread are saying that RR does not have a long shelf life and is not a good player. Are you guys dumb or just delirious? He missed three games in 4 years which were all in his rookie season. For three years he has been a stud! In 2009 and 2011, if he wasn't here, the Ravens would not have made the playoffs! You think we would have made it this year with Flaccos great regular season? (sarcasm). You guys can fault his playoff performances but guess what, if the line cant block for him then he cant run. You guys Are going to say he had even a remote chance of doing well against the Pats last year? Our line got mauled in that game.Let's get real, you guys are hating on the man because there is a real possibility that this is his last year as a Raven. He deserves his money just like you and I. The point boils down to, why does he deserve to get paid like a scrub RB when he has proven he is top 5 at his position? He has a family support and a life to live beyond football. I would be upset of I was in his position.

[BloodRaven]

I don't think we will trade Rice, but what I think we absolutely need to do is find out what Anthony Allen and/or Bernard Pierce are capable of, air out the ball during pre-season, screens, flats etc see if someone who can step up and replace most of Rice's production in a worst case scenario.

[display name]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1337839186' post='1081716']
By all accounts, Ray Rice contract talks are not going well. The FO has stated that if he wants AP type money he isn't getting it. If it doesn't get done before July 16th, I think it's safe to assume that Rice is gone after this season. The team can't afford to pay him what he wants if he wants to get Flacco. As controversial as he is, it is almost impossible to find a guy who can give you consistent play at the quarterback position. With the multiple running backs that are essential to today's league, it is quite easy to get an adequate amount of running production. Taking this into account, if we can't keep Rice why not get some value out of him?

Ray Rice has put up regular season numbers. He is arguably the best pass catching back in the league who adds a dynamic piece to an offense. There are a lot of teams who would give up quite a bit to get Rice in the hopes that he will be the same guy in their system. We might be able to snag a first round pick or a quality player paired with another high pick for him (perhaps a pass rusher). This trade could help bolster an area of weakness to help us get over the hump this year with the possibility of keeping us in it more in the future. We have holes coming up that need to be filled on the defense with the imminent departure of Ray Lewis and Ed Reed in addition to LT and WR.

This would leave a hole at running back as Allen and Pierce probably aren't ready. Thus, this scenario hinges on one player: Cedric Benson. Regardless of who we get in a trade, Benson can be had as Rice's replacement for this season. As a runner, Benson figured it out in Cincy and saved his career. For my money, I would rather have him on the team than Ray Rice anyway. He's what you want from your running back in Cam's system. He's a pure power runner who can consistently move the chains, as opposed to Ray Rice who might give you one big play along with 15 of nothing. He's YPC isn't elite, but overall Cincy has a weaker line than us. He can still get you 1000 yards a season, and he'll do it in a fashion that better fits this offensive system. Less no gains will put Flacco in better position, and I think our three and outs would decrease since we won't have to rely on the big play in the running game. Some might say his style is what Pierce's is, but Pierce is a one cut and run runner a la Arian Foster more than a power back from what I can find. Regardless, the market for running backs, especially one with the off the field issues like Benson, is thinning. He'll come cheap, on a team like this he will be placed into the best position for him to stay clean so to speak, and on this team he would be a top 15 running back again.

Despite the logic, I await the firestorm. This topic was not made to insult Rice. He's a good football player, he's entertaining, and I like him. I just think that we can get more value from him this way to help the team. Adding picks could help us address our needs and the move saves cap space to sign other players we like, such as Flacco. The move makes sense. Do I think it will happen? Probably not. I still think it's a good idea.
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I heard somewhere that things are getting closer. Ray Rice is a great guy and an awesome player, and he is too valuable to us to get rid of. Sorry.