Raiders Only Td

[Black&Purple]

I just watched the highlights and they replayed it in slow motion (I was at the game so never got to see it in slow motion obviously) and I felt that it wasn't in.

Thoughts?

[ravens27]

I didn't think it was in at all.

[raven43]

yeah, it was. Pained me to watch such an amazing tackle go to waste, but yeah, the dude got it.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

It was a TD in my eyes, I dont want it to be, but it was. If the ball even touches that white line, its in. My first reaction was it was in, and I didnt see anything to prove otherwise

[neepo13]

No it wasnt. If you look at it closely his hand never crossed the goal line, so how can you rule that the ball did? It was a bogus call. At the very least there was no evidence to overturn it. The officiating in this game was pretty bad but the Ravens executed well, so it didnt impact the game. The refs blew an offsides call on the Raiders defense. The Raiders offensive line was holding all game. It ticks me off that we got flagged for it so many times, and they didnt draw any fouls for it. The Raiders had something like 14 penalties last week. They didnt gain that kind of discipline in a week.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='neepo13' post='80365' date='Oct 26 2008, 09:32 PM']No it wasnt. If you look at it closely [b]his hand never crossed the goal line[/b], so how can you rule that the ball did? It was a bogus call. At the very least there was no evidence to overturn it. The officiating in this game was pretty bad but the Ravens executed well, so it didnt impact the game. The refs blew an offsides call on the Raiders defense. The Raiders offensive line was holding all game. It ticks me off that we got flagged for it so many times, and they didnt draw any fouls for it. The Raiders had something like 14 penalties last week. They didnt gain that kind of discipline in a week.[/quote]
Doesnt have to cross, just touch the line.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='80373' date='Oct 26 2008, 09:43 PM']Doesnt have to cross, just touch the line.[/quote]

You have to break the white line. His hand never did.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='neepo13' post='80376' date='Oct 26 2008, 09:44 PM']You have to break the white line. His hand never did.[/quote]

his hand was in the middle of the line, never went over it but it doesnt have to.

either way, it was called a td and we won, so oh well

[wolfzie06]

I am not 100% sure, and it pains me to say it, but i think the ball crossed the plane, albeit barely. I was at the game and it didn't look from my angle, which was at that end zone from club section, that his hand crossed the plane. I just looked at a replay of it and I think it barely crossed. Still, a great tackle from 52 to try and stop him, and in the end that TD was all for naught.

[Moderator 2]

I was 10 rows back from that play and did not see the ball cross the plane. The only thing I guess they saw on replay was the nose of the ball on the line at some point when they slowed it down.

[ravensalways]

IMO, the refs weren't to hot today, But we won so I'm happy.

[PuRock]

What would have happen if it wasn't a TD? It would have been 3rd down and an inch. Hike and QB sneak. The probability of them scoring from one inch is pretty good. If it was a question of a yard, maybe a little more of a gripe. Let them have their TD, well take the win.

[K-Dog]

right,
It didnt matter.
If it didnt go in on THAT play odds are good the next two tries it would have.

[FerrariFan87]

Personally, I didn't think there was enough video evidence to overturn the call on the field, but naturally the ref overturns it....

By the way, if you caught the Squeeler game at all, there were two BLATANT holding penalties by the Squeelers on the Giants WR that weren't called and could have swung the game's momentum over to the Squeelers' side... anyone surprised by this?

[neepo13]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='80444' date='Oct 26 2008, 11:14 PM']Personally, I didn't think there was enough video evidence to overturn the call on the field, but naturally the ref overturns it....

By the way, if you caught the Squeeler game at all, there were two BLATANT holding penalties by the Squeelers on the Giants WR that weren't called and could have swung the game's momentum over to the Squeelers' side... anyone surprised by this?[/quote]

Burress had a TD in the endzone, if 24 wasnt holding his jersey. I am not surprised.

[#1 D]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='80444' date='Oct 26 2008, 11:14 PM']Personally, I didn't think there was enough video evidence to overturn the call on the field, but naturally the ref overturns it....

By the way, if you caught the Squeeler game at all, there were two BLATANT holding penalties by the Squeelers on the Giants WR that weren't called and could have swung the game's momentum over to the Squeelers' side... anyone surprised by this?[/quote]
Well, the steelers were at home.heck, if i were a ref in that game, i'd be scared of naked drunk people with dirty towels...so yeah, the refs sorta edged towards the steelers.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

I don't think it was a TD. If you look at the camera angle, it's on the rightside of the goal line. If it were rotated to the left a bit to be perfectly inline with the goal line then a truer judgement can be made regarding "breaking the plane". That being said, and using that angle, his hand BARELY touched the line, didn't see the ball cross. Now rotate the camera and it's a few inches out.

[Raven07]

it doesnt matter whether or not his hand crossed the goal line, all that has to do is get the tip of the football an inch or so over that goal line and it counts, but that play could have gone either way with the way the different Camera angles were at, one play it looked as if a centimeter of the ball crossed the goal line then another angle showed that it really didnt cross the plain, the ruling on the field was that it was not a TD, and i thought (last time i checked) there had to be un-disputed, CLEAR evidence do over turn the call on the field...... well it sure looked to me as if the evidence given/presented wasnt clear enough, therefore the play should've stood as called.

thats what Referee;s are trained to do out there make calls, and when put into a situation like that in the game, and the evidence being reviewed doesnt display a CLEAR visual of the ball crossing the plain.....then the play should stand as called on the field....

a some what bad call on the officals to overturn without clear evidence.

[Shawn`]

My first reaction was that it wasn't a TD but then I looked at it on the replay which convinced me that it was a TD.

[jfc13]

I thought it was a touchdown. On one of the first replays, I thought it was in and then the announcer said that maybe they got it and then the red flag was thrown. I thought it was in, but that there wasn't compelling evidence to overturn it, because you have to assume where the ball ended in his hand. I watched it a bunch of times and slowed it down a bunch of times and I thought it was in.

I didn't care about them getting the touchdown, because I figured they would have gotten it on one of the next plays, anyway, and I didn't want to be greedy, but I did have two concerns:
1. Ray made a fantastic play and I'd like to see him rewarded with the stop.
2. They put a lot of time back on the clock. Yeah, we had a nice lead, but I worry.

[Tiz]

[quote name='neepo13' post='80376' date='Oct 26 2008, 07:44 PM']You have to break the white line. His hand never did.[/quote]
His hand doesn't have to break the plain but the Ball does and it did. Even when they slowed it down and showed it, it did clearly. It was a good hit and it wasn't as if the player was extending his arm just the sheer flip of his body gave him just enough to break the plain...

[ravensgirlx88]

I was @ the game and couldnt see it very well either, but honestly who cares about their ONE td that they worked for 3 quarters to get. We left with the win.. and a VICTORIOUS win @ that..

[rayvenfan_52]

If the ball is over the white like by just a little its a TD.

But who cares?

WE WON!

[neepo13]

[quote name='Tiz' post='80623' date='Oct 27 2008, 02:43 PM']His hand doesn't have to break the plain but the Ball does and it did. Even when they slowed it down and showed it, it did clearly. It was a good hit and it wasn't as if the player was extending his arm just the sheer flip of his body gave him just enough to break the plain...[/quote]

His hand was covering the tip of the ball. His hand did not move over the white line, so how can you say that the ball did? Thats my whole point. Bottomline, it shouldnt have been overturned. Even when you slow it down, its disputable whether he actually broke the plain with the ball.

[Black&Purple]

All of you that say "Who cares?" are missing the point that it was a BS overturn. What if it cost us the game, would you care then?

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='Black&Purple' post='80887' date='Oct 27 2008, 07:13 PM']All of you that say "Who cares?" are missing the point that it was a BS overturn. What if it cost us the game, would you care then?[/quote]

OF COURSE! but the point is is that it DIDNT so let them have their 1 td.

[TXRaven]

No it was not a TD. They gave them one but it did not cost us the game so I am Ok with it.