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[T3hRaven]

jdynamite, on 20 May 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

The only thing that really matters is the amount of the garauntee money.
It's sad how fast people are writing trade him, we drafted pierce already etc. Ray Rice hasn't publicly campaigned or underperformed on the field ( like Desean Jackson). Ray Rice has outperformed his 2nd round rookie contract more so than Forte. Rice has been consistent with inconsistent linemen blocking, is pass blocks very well, and Is vital to the passing game.

I'm sorry, but no. His 4.0 YPC from 2010 was pathetic, there's no way around that. And that's not taking into account his abysmal playoff performances.

[raybaby]

You can't not appreciate what he has done on & off the field. There is no need to talk negatively about him.. it seems like every player is overpricing themselves now. He deserves to get paid.. just not 10 mil a year. Obviously there is going to have to be a compromise. All we can do is wait and see what happens... hopefully he'll be here long term.

[Rav'n Maniac]

It's true that the length of contract doesn't matter that much. It's only the cake. The icing is the garaunteed money. I'm surprised so many are shocked here. Most players are going to ask for more than they are worth. It will all come down to the negotiation process and the willingness of Rice and his agent to compromise. If they won't, then it will move into the holdout stage, which isn't uncommon .

[NaveSenrag]

Rice is too good of a player to let him walk, but he's also asking for far too much money. The way I see it, he should get to play out this year under the tag, and if he refuses to take a smaller deal next year give him the tag again and give the other RBs more touches than usual. At that point, he'll be old enough that he will have to settle for a smaller contract and he'll know that we have more talent besides him.

[arnie_uk]

Blex64, on 21 May 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

He's a good deal better then McCoy so...lol?

i wouldnt say that, imo McCoy is a better runner than rice. RR is lucky if hes top 10 RUNNER, its his pass catching that sets him over the top, but again, is he actually a better pass catcher or is his numbers inflated by the amount of catches he gets?

I think we we recplaced him with a better runner, as well as a very pass catching RB that can pass block, you wont see any if much drop in production from the RB slot, just that it would be running back by committee imo

[The Raven]

If we lose Rice, I'm not concerned at all about the run game. We'll probably improve without him. It's the passing game that worries me.

[usmccharles]

The Raven, on 21 May 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:

If we lose Rice, I'm not concerned at all about the run game. We'll probably improve without him. It's the passing game that worries me.

losing our run game will in no way help our passing game...

[TheMadRaven]

A fantastic player and sure seems like a fantastic human being. I hope he gets his payday - I also hope it isn't in Bmore. Next man up.

[izvoodoo]

usmccharles, on 21 May 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Now look at him? yea god forbid a top 3rb in the league wants to get paid like one after never, everrrr making an issue about money like most players would do. How dare he.


Sometimes that happened, they game planned better for him then we did against their defense. But that alone shouldnt be why we let him walk.





FINALLY, someone who agrees with me.

I love how your guys answer for this is "let him walk, we will do the same with two other guys." Thats a joke. You cant replace an elite player that easily. Hes been a top Rb every year of his career, with a poor offense, and a poor OC. Every team knows hes our main weapon, what do you think would happen if we didnt have him? Hes responsible for over 30% of our offense, unless we get lucky and have an arian foster sitting on the practice sqaud. Its funny how people will sit here and gloat about how good of a person rice has been, hard work ethic, great guy, never complaining about money then its time for contract talks and hed like to be paid and people crucify him for it, likes he a bad person now. I hope we pay him the money, i believe hes worth the 10 a year, our offense is already below average with him, you really want to see what it looks like to have an even worse offense,,,,get rid of him, because then it affects, joe, Q, torrey, etc...

Im all about character and think ray has shown hes an upclass guy, if he acted like desean, then let him kick rocks, pay the man

The thing is he probably only has 3 years left.

[ThePurpleWall]

why cant we sign him for the McCoy Deal ? im un sure of what McCoy deal was before this but if this it is 4,5 year for 45 million 20 million guaranteed, Rice should take it, http://sports.yahoo....59436--nba.html ,

[usmccharles]

izvoodoo, on 21 May 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

The thing is he probably only has 3 years left.

so 3 more years with a elite rb, ill take it. I think ray has 4 good years left, obviously not counting any injuries

[Ravenslifer]

jdynamite, on 20 May 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

Jamal Lewis situation was different because following his time in jail he came back wasn't running as aggressively. Also jamal Lewis was ran into the ground in a similar fashion to Earl Campbell , Eddie George. ( even Jamal Anderson, and Larry Johnson suffered similar fates in only 2 seasons time because of extreme number of bruising carries in a season ). Ray Rice isn't used as a sledgehammer running back, to pound out the defense... But he still receives a high number of touches when you combine runs and receptions.

I agree Rice has a lot more left in the tank than Jamal did. The problem is that over the years I've noticed a common theme with A LOT of runningbacks, even the elite ones, is that you never know when they are going to be finished. They go from being All-Pros one year i.e. Shaun Alexander, to out of the league the next season. I'm just speculating that part of the reason this deal isn't getting done is because the front office has a sense of Ray's shelf life and maybe doesn't want to commit to him for the number of years that HE wants. The Vikings gave Peterson a 7 year 100 million deal that would make him 32 by the time it's over. Most other runningbacks got 5 year deals, even McCoy who is 2 years younger than Rice. If we gave Rice a 5 year, 50 million dollar deal, I think that's a good deal for both sides, but I don't want to invest more money or especially more years on a deal for a position that has a habit of getting old in a very short amount of time.

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