Does Ray Rice Want $10 Million?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1337627578' post='1080496']
Why do guys think that you can just replace him like its nothing. Ray is different than your average RB and brings more to table . He had a [b]good season with a wack run blocking line.[/b]
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Not true - PFF ranked our run blocking 11th in the league and also called Marshall Yanda the best right guard in the league. Considering we faced top run defenses like the Steelers twice and the 49ers, and considering we played 12 games against top 10 defenses, we did a pretty good job. The two biggest problems were at left tackle and whenever Andre Gurode played.

[url="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/23/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-2/"]http://www.profootba...e-lines-part-2/[/url]

Another problem we seemed to have was against 4-3 defenses - Jacksonville, Tennessee, and Seattle all got to us, and New England also plays the 4-3 sometimes.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1337608343' post='1080348']
This is actually isnt too bad, if this is done. Pay Rice a total of 50 million guarantee 35 mill, but space it out as 8,9, 10, 11, 12. While he wants 10 mill a year, this is actually a pretty good deal for him. The tv contracts will kick in and big contracts will come off the books so we can make this doable cap wise if Rice is willing to take a small pay hit from 10 mil a year to 8 and 9 for the first two years which he should considering how much he would get guaranteed.
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35M is a horrific idea...

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1337617532' post='1080397']
McCoy has a whopping one year of decent production. Excuse me if I'm not sold on that.



[b]Do it over 3 years.[/b]
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You can't. Foster wasn't the starter his rookie year, kind of like Rice his rookie season. Also like Rice's rookie season, the Texans were using a 3 back system in 2009.

[cursona pirate]

Football is a buisness. Do you want Flacco or Rice. If you look at playoff stats Flacco has improved significantly. Rice has been mediocre in playoffs. I love Rice he is a great player but like I said before Flacco before Rice. If we can sign Rice for lower than go ahead. But 10 mill is just to much for a RB.

[raybaby]

So two conflicting sources? Our site is reporting they are making progress while Schefter is saying there isn't any progress.. hmm.

[Purple Nurple]

Please be reasonable, little Ray. You're not getting 10M per.

[TreTheRaven]

Per Schefter:

[url="http://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter"]Adam Schefter[/url]
[b] Despite the fact that both sides continue talking, the Ravens and Ray Rice have not made any progress toward a new deal, per source.[/b]

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1337628542' post='1080508']
Yeah, I think that's the big issue. I don't mind Ray Rice making a lot of money, I just don't like seeing players overpaid. For instance, at this point Boldin is over paid. Nothing against the players, I want them to be successful, but with the salary cap the best way to win is to underpay players in a way.



That's not fair, that field is nice and stretched and open for foster. Teams plan around rice out of the backfield, with foster you have to take your chances with it.
[/quote]im sure foster has a lb on him in passing situations the same as rice. how does rice be more game planned for? 2 lbs? cover corner? foster is a threat like rice, like mccoy, like cj etc etc, imo they get the same game plan in passing situations.. teams dont let foster run a route out the backfield un manned, and from what i see the dont double rice, so that only leaves they both have a man, and in more limited time and catches foster has almost as many big plays and TDs, and i dont see his ypc ave dropping much if any in the next couple years so i think even though his sample size is small, its safe to say he is close if not more of a threat than RR, RR just get the more hype because all is amplified by the huge amount of catches he gets.

If we lost RR, our offense gameplan wouldnt change. We would still run first, and our WRs would still run the same routes causing a lot of checkdowns and catches for our RB or backs, its just cams offense.

question we need answered is can Pierce do that, can he and a partner do that, or someone else in the league, or is RR the only option come next offseason.

We need to give pierce allen berry enough of a look see this year to see what they have. RR had 400 touches the past 2 years, in what 18 games each, id like to see that number down to 300 or so, for 2 reasons. One, to see the other options we have and get a good sample size to see if they have the ability to replace him, and two, if we decide to resign him, less touches will prolong his life in the league playing at a high level

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1337633475' post='1080544']
Per Schefter:

[url="http://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter"]Adam Schefter[/url]
[b] Despite the fact that both sides continue talking, the Ravens and Ray Rice have not made any progress toward a new deal, per source.[/b]
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I'm going to go by what Schefter says. I'm hoping the FO keeps playing hard ball. If Rice really wants that much per year he needs to walk.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1337627858' post='1080499']
Oh I use that purple glasses line when describing Flacco! This is amusing to read.

Rice is not an elite runner IMO as well, he is a great receiver out the backfield though. Think sproles with muscle
[/quote]well if someone called flacco elite it would deserved to be said. As a running back in the league in my book he would rank where joe ranks as a QB if im being perfectly honest, so question is does his pass catching ability set him over the top and mean we should pay him 10mil?

Or can his production be replaces by someone else, or two people.

Tell you one think, if it came down to flacco or him, i think its safe to say it would be easier to find a new RB

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1337635691' post='1080562']
Tell you one think, if it came down to flacco or him, i think its safe to say it would be easier to find a new RB
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When it comes down to it, that's probably what the choice is going to be. I don't think we can afford to pay them both what they want, and it's way harder to find a QB that can give us decent production in a terrible offense (and maybe elite in a halfway decent one) than a RB.

PFT just released a report backing up Schefter. [url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/21/report-no-progress-between-ravens-ray-rice/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/21/report-no-progress-between-ravens-ray-rice/[/url]

[Alexir]

Wouldn't have to look farther than the 3 guys we have under contract, this isn't the days of Lawrence and parmele, we have depth



[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1337635691'
post='1080562']
well if someone called flacco elite it would deserved to be said. As a running back in the league in my book he would rank where joe ranks as a QB if im being perfectly honest, so question is does his pass catching ability set him over the top and mean we should pay him 10mil?

Or can his production be replaces by someone else, or two people.

Tell you one think, if it came down to flacco or him, i think its safe to say it would be easier to find a new RB
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[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1337636419' post='1080570']
Wouldn't have to look farther than the 3 guys we have under contract, this isn't the days of Lawrence and parmele, we have depth
[/quote]i agree, i really like pierce, if he shows hands i think he alone could be damn close to rice at a fraction of the price, would he even average 1 mil a year, i cant remember his contract. He just has more authority as a runner, so i dont see an issue there, its just the hands and can he catch out of the backfield, because if he can, he should get close ot 8/9 yards with his explosiveness, which is what RR averages

[gabefergy]

I find it amusing that all this debate has been spawned from an article in the Chicago Tribune about Matt Forte, that [i]speculates [/i]Ray Rice may be looking for 10M a year.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1337640041' post='1080601']
I find it amusing that all this debate has been spawned from an article in the Chicago Tribune about Matt Forte, that [i]speculates [/i]Ray Rice may be looking for 10M a year.
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I'd rather that than the reported Peterson-like deal he wanted.

So, according to reports, he wants something between 5 years 50 Million and 7 years 100 Million. Narrows it down. Kinda.

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1337627578' post='1080496']
Why do guys think that you can just replace him like its nothing. Ray is different than your average RB and brings more to table . He had a good season with a wack run blocking line.
[/quote]exactly!!!

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1337640041' post='1080601']
I find it amusing that all this debate has been spawned from an article in the Chicago Tribune about Matt Forte, that [i]speculates [/i]Ray Rice may be looking for 10M a year.
[/quote]i didnt even read the article i just love a good debate lol

[ChickenNutBread]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1337597205' post='1080326']
i wouldnt say that, imo [b]McCoy is a better runner than rice. RR is lucky if hes top 10 RUNNER[/b], its his pass catching that sets him over the top, but again, is he actually a better pass catcher or is his numbers inflated by the amount of catches he gets?

I think we we recplaced him with a better runner, as well as a very pass catching RB that can pass block, you wont see any if much drop in production from the RB slot, just that it would be running back by committee imo
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Ray is actually top 7 in every major statistical category that involves a starting running back. 2nd in RUSHING yards. Basically Ray and LeSean have identical rushing numbers, beside the fact that Ray is the superior pass-catching back.

[ChickenNutBread]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1337607213' post='1080343']
we wont lose our run game... RR running game wont be hard to replicate, as i said hes lucky if he is a top 10 runner in the league. It his catching ability that would be missed
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Who will replicate a 1,300 YD rushing season, pass-catching running back? Frank Gore couldn't even do that behind that massive O-line.

[ChickenNutBread]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1337608928' post='1080353']
Ricky Williams is 35 years old and had double Rice's YPC against the Patriots. Tell me more about how our run game will drop off significantly if we lose him.
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Too bad that AFC-CCG doesn't last 16 games per season. We would have ourselves a new starting RB.

[ChickenNutBread]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1337617532' post='1080397']
McCoy has a whopping one year of decent production. Excuse me if I'm not sold on that.



Do it over 3 years.
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Dont forget how injury prone Foster is compared to the durability of Ray.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1337635509' post='1080560']
im sure foster has a lb on him in passing situations the same as rice. how does rice be more game planned for? 2 lbs? cover corner? foster is a threat like rice, like mccoy, like cj etc etc, imo they get the same game plan in passing situations.. teams dont let foster run a route out the backfield un manned, and from what i see the dont double rice, so that only leaves they both have a man, and in more limited time and catches foster has almost as many big plays and TDs, and i dont see his ypc ave dropping much if any in the next couple years so i think even though his sample size is small, its safe to say he is close if not more of a threat than RR, RR just get the more hype because all is amplified by the huge amount of catches he gets.
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I would say the safeties are more concerned with johnson and Owen Daniels than Foster on 3rd and 10. Where as with our limited weapons the safeties are still probably partially responsible for rice on 2nd and 10, 3rd and 10. Ya know?

[Trapped_in_Cincinnati52]

I have to completely and whole hearted.y disagree that Flacco is needed more than Rice. Rice is the only reason Flacco ends up looking half way decent because of how big of a threat he is. I wouldn't mind paying rice what he needs and maybe looking for a new QB. Heard Sanchez may need a place to stay.

[raybaby]

[quote name='Trapped_in_Cincinnati52' timestamp='1337662710' post='1080735']
I have to completely and whole hearted.y disagree that Flacco is needed more than Rice. Rice is the only reason Flacco ends up looking half way decent because of how big of a threat he is. I wouldn't mind paying rice what he needs and maybe looking for a new QB. Heard Sanchez may need a place to stay.
[/quote]

You can't be serious.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='Trapped_in_Cincinnati52' timestamp='1337662710' post='1080735']
I have to completely and whole hearted.y [b]disagree that Flacco is needed more than Rice[/b]. Rice is the only reason Flacco ends up looking half way decent because of how big of a threat he is. I wouldn't mind paying rice what he needs and maybe looking for a new QB. [b]Heard Sanchez may need a place to stay[/b].
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if its a choice then Flacco will be the pick,ha when hell freezes over we will sign Sanchez.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1337608928' post='1080353'] Ricky Williams is 35 years old and had double Rice's YPC against the Patriots. Tell me more about how our run game will drop off significantly if we lose him. [/quote] One game? have ricky take the same amount a carries and see what kind of production there is, you cant take credit away from RR bc of one game.


[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1337613818' post='1080378'] Ray Rice is far from an elite runner, and your wearing purple glasses if you think otherwise. While being top 5 in pass catching [/quote] i guess my problem is i dont look at him runner and pass catcher, i consider him an elite runner because he can catch passes. But i still find it funny how many people are saying we would see no drop off if he leaves, and if that happens ill be the first to say im wrong, it would be a good thing, but i just dont see it.

[usmccharles]

since im limited on what websites i can look at at work, can someone, most likely arnie, post the top ten Rbs and stats, with rushing and recieving stats.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1337613818' post='1080378']
Ray Rice is far from an elite runner, and your wearing purple glasses if you think otherwise. While being top 5 in pass catching
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This is all anyone needs to know about Ray Rice. As a HB runner, the guy is extremely over rated. He does not break tackles, hasn't showed up in a playoff run yet, and does not pick up the tough yardage.

Dude is lucky he can catch and is ridiculously quick in space.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Trapped_in_Cincinnati52' timestamp='1337662710' post='1080735']
I have to completely and whole hearted.y disagree that Flacco is needed more than Rice. Rice is the only reason Flacco ends up looking half way decent because of how big of a threat he is. I wouldn't mind paying rice what he needs and maybe looking for a new QB. Heard Sanchez may need a place to stay.
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And there's a reason you're trapped in Cincy.

Sanchez? What football games do you watch?

[codizzle]

[quote name='Trapped_in_Cincinnati52' timestamp='1337662710' post='1080735']
I have to completely and whole hearted.y disagree that Flacco is needed more than Rice. Rice is the only reason Flacco ends up looking half way decent because of how big of a threat he is. I wouldn't mind paying rice what he needs and maybe looking for a new QB. Heard Sanchez may need a place to stay.
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And this is why these debates go on forever..

Oh offseason how I love thee