Does Ray Rice Want $10 Million?

[Markus92]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1337564793' post='1080248']
Rice and Flacco sure are asking for a lot of money for an under performing offense....
[/quote]Exactly.... Rice is beginning to not be such a fan favorittteeeeee

[jdynamite]

The only thing that really matters is the amount of the garauntee money.
It's sad how fast people are writing trade him, we drafted pierce already etc. Ray Rice hasn't publicly campaigned or underperformed on the field ( like Desean Jackson). Ray Rice has outperformed his 2nd round rookie contract more so than Forte. Rice has been consistent with inconsistent linemen blocking, is pass blocks very well, and Is vital to the passing game. Teams have to game-plan to take him out the game. Rice has played 4 years under contract without a complaint is one of the hardest workers on the team, but people are upset that he wants to get paid, when in reality since he is a running back this is his last chance to receive a big payday.
Also People need to realize that Rice has the stats to match or surpass every back that was drafted in 2008 when u considered he had very limited touches his rookie year and he is also younger than CJ2K and Forte...
If McCoy and Foster can get paid from 2 years worth of service why can't Rice get paid for 4 years worth of service and consistency!

He collected Top 5 RB stats even with Cam Cameron game plans which included Rice getting 8 carries vs Jaguars and 5 carries vs Seahawks. With 20 -25 carries in those games who knows what his totals would have been or how the games would have changed.

[Greatness]

Ray Rice be trollin' y'all, yo.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1337572753' post='1080279']
I hate to say it, but this is seriously reminding me of Jamal in 2006 - now Jamal was much older and had a lot more carries under his belt, but we resigned him only to cut him the next year.
[/quote]

Jamal Lewis situation was different because following his time in jail he came back wasn't running as aggressively. Also jamal Lewis was ran into the ground in a similar fashion to Earl Campbell , Eddie George. ( even Jamal Anderson, and Larry Johnson suffered similar fates in only 2 seasons time because of extreme number of bruising carries in a season ). Ray Rice isn't used as a sledgehammer running back, to pound out the defense... But he still receives a high number of touches when you combine runs and receptions.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Baltimore Ravens #1 Fan' timestamp='1337569260' post='1080266']
"It is believed..." means that Ray Rice wants $10 million per year?[b] I will wait for the front office, Ray Rice or his agent to say something regarding contract discussions before I throw Ray Rice into the fire and hope he leaves[/b]. Overreaction at its best right here.
[/quote]
It's just speculation from the article and assumption from fans; we might have overreacted, but it's good in a way that Rice and his agent dare not to think about 10mil/yr and 25mil guaranteed. Ozzie and FO never ever over spend on anything. Price is right.....

Even McCoy's money seems to be ridiculous to me.

If we draw the borderline for Rice's big pay day, it should be McCoy's salary.

I think Flacco's contract should be reasonable, and Ozzie and the Ravens nation want to sign Flacco more than Rice if they have to choose one and only.

[BMORElegacy]

Does he realize we have to have money to pay for the other 53 players on the roster?

I get it that he wants fairly compensated but there's a stark contrast between what he deserves and what can be termed exorbitant.

If we payed him that kind of money we wouldn't be able to pay for the line and tight ends to block for him, the quarterback to hand the ball off to him, and the receivers to block down-field and open up the run game for him...

I realize I'm just a lowly fan but it's my money that supports his paycheck, and I don't feel too keen on supporting excessive greed. Of all the organizations to extort, the Ravens are at the bottom of that list.

[Blex64]

What is even going on in this thread?

Rice wants more then Foster/McCoy and, quite frankly, he's entitled to it. He's outperformed them both thus far. I'm aware he has an extra year of production on Foster, but there's a reason for that.

The salary/year is meaningless, the only important thing to look at is guaranteed money. I think he'll end up at around 5 years/45 million 25 guaranteed. He'll be one of the higher paid backs within the group on this new structure of RB contracts.

Lastly, how the heck is this confirmation of what Rice wants? Its a Chicago newspaper speculating with its implications to Forte's contract. About as far from a legitimate source you can find.

[Blex64]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1337575769' post='1080291']
It's just speculation from the article and assumption from fans; we might have overreacted, but it's good in a way that Rice and his agent dare not to think about 10mil/yr and 25mil guaranteed. Ozzie and FO never ever over spend on anything. Price is right.....

Even McCoy's money seems to be ridiculous to me.

[b]If we draw the borderline for Rice's big pay day, it should be McCoy's salary.[/b]

I think Flacco's contract should be reasonable, and Ozzie and the Ravens nation want to sign Flacco more than Rice if they have to choose one and only.
[/quote]

He's a good deal better then McCoy so...lol?

[Gordo52]

Wait till the season starts again and we watch Rice do even better......everyone will love him once again.
And to say his production can be replicated is silly to me. Especially to those who say Pierce, Allen or a RB in the draft next year can match him......they're all unproven as of right now. I don't have the numbers right now but I'm pretty sure Rice has had the most scrimmage yards for RB's the last 4 years...If not I'm positive it's top 3.
I dont get how that could "easily" get replicated...
I understand the average life span of a RB in the NFL, but Rice is not an average RB. He deserves to be paid top RB money. And with the way contracts have gone up lately, as much as I don't like it, thats just the way it is.
Rice has been the heart of our offense the last few years, he deserves top dolla.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1337561408' post='1080227'] So humble to play out his rookie contract without a peep...now look at him....I guess hes not going to be a Raven after this season [/quote] Now look at him? yea god forbid a top 3rb in the league wants to get paid like one after never, everrrr making an issue about money like most players would do. How dare he.


[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1337566188' post='1080252']
These two posts make all the sense in the world to close this thread up. Rice is insane to expect that kind of money and he averaged 2.9ypc in the AFCCG and got swallowed up by Wilfork on a draw play. He could have avoided that Grizzly Bear of a man [/quote]Sometimes that happened, they game planned better for him then we did against their defense. But that alone shouldnt be why we let him walk.





[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1337573733' post='1080283'] The only thing that really matters is the amount of the garauntee money. It's sad how fast people are writing trade him, we drafted pierce already etc. Ray Rice hasn't publicly campaigned or underperformed on the field ( like Desean Jackson). Ray Rice has outperformed his 2nd round rookie contract more so than Forte. Rice has been consistent with inconsistent linemen blocking, is pass blocks very well, and Is vital to the passing game. Teams have to game-plan to take him out the game. Rice has played 4 years under contract without a complaint is one of the hardest workers on the team, but people are upset that he wants to get paid, when in reality since he is a running back this is his last chance to receive a big payday. Also People need to realize that Rice has the stats to match or surpass every back that was drafted in 2008 when u considered he had very limited touches his rookie year and he is also younger than CJ2K and Forte... If McCoy and Foster can get paid from 2 years worth of service why can't Rice get paid for 4 years worth of service and consistency! He collected Top 5 RB stats even with Cam Cameron game plans which included Rice getting 8 carries vs Jaguars and 5 carries vs Seahawks. With 20 -25 carries in those games who knows what his totals would have been or how the games would have changed. [/quote] FINALLY, someone who agrees with me.

I love how your guys answer for this is "let him walk, we will do the same with two other guys." Thats a joke. You cant replace an elite player that easily. Hes been a top Rb every year of his career, with a poor offense, and a poor OC. Every team knows hes our main weapon, what do you think would happen if we didnt have him? Hes responsible for over 30% of our offense, unless we get lucky and have an arian foster sitting on the practice sqaud. Its funny how people will sit here and gloat about how good of a person rice has been, hard work ethic, great guy, never complaining about money then its time for contract talks and hed like to be paid and people crucify him for it, likes he a bad person now. I hope we pay him the money, i believe hes worth the 10 a year, our offense is already below average with him, you really want to see what it looks like to have an even worse offense,,,,get rid of him, because then it affects, joe, Q, torrey, etc...

Im all about character and think ray has shown hes an upclass guy, if he acted like desean, then let him kick rocks, pay the man

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1337573733' post='1080283']
The only thing that really matters is the amount of the garauntee money.
It's sad how fast people are writing trade him, we drafted pierce already etc. Ray Rice hasn't publicly campaigned or underperformed on the field ( like Desean Jackson). Ray Rice has outperformed his 2nd round rookie contract more so than Forte. [b]Rice has been consistent with inconsistent linemen blocking[/b], is pass blocks very well, and Is vital to the passing game.
[/quote]

I'm sorry, but no. His 4.0 YPC from 2010 was pathetic, there's no way around that. And that's not taking into account his abysmal playoff performances.

[raybaby]

You can't not appreciate what he has done on & off the field. There is no need to talk negatively about him.. it seems like every player is overpricing themselves now. He deserves to get paid.. just not 10 mil a year. Obviously there is going to have to be a compromise. All we can do is wait and see what happens... hopefully he'll be here long term.

[Rav'n Maniac]

It's true that the length of contract doesn't matter that much. It's only the cake. The icing is the garaunteed money. I'm surprised so many are shocked here. Most players are going to ask for more than they are worth. It will all come down to the negotiation process and the willingness of Rice and his agent to compromise. If they won't, then it will move into the holdout stage, which isn't uncommon .

[NaveSenrag]

Rice is too good of a player to let him walk, but he's also asking for far too much money. The way I see it, he should get to play out this year under the tag, and if he refuses to take a smaller deal next year give him the tag again and give the other RBs more touches than usual. At that point, he'll be old enough that he will have to settle for a smaller contract and he'll know that we have more talent besides him.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1337577051' post='1080296']
He's a good deal better then McCoy so...lol?
[/quote]i wouldnt say that, imo McCoy is a better runner than rice. RR is lucky if hes top 10 RUNNER, its his pass catching that sets him over the top, but again, is he actually a better pass catcher or is his numbers inflated by the amount of catches he gets?

I think we we recplaced him with a better runner, as well as a very pass catching RB that can pass block, you wont see any if much drop in production from the RB slot, just that it would be running back by committee imo

[The Raven]

If we lose Rice, I'm not concerned at all about the run game. We'll probably improve without him. It's the passing game that worries me.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1337597540' post='1080327']
If we lose Rice, I'm not concerned at all about the run game. We'll probably improve without him. It's the passing game that worries me.
[/quote] losing our run game will in no way help our passing game...

[TheMadRaven]

A fantastic player and sure seems like a fantastic human being. I hope he gets his payday - I also hope it isn't in Bmore. Next man up.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1337581323' post='1080311']
Now look at him? yea god forbid a top 3rb in the league wants to get paid like one after never, everrrr making an issue about money like most players would do. How dare he.


Sometimes that happened, they game planned better for him then we did against their defense. But that alone shouldnt be why we let him walk.





FINALLY, someone who agrees with me.

I love how your guys answer for this is "let him walk, we will do the same with two other guys." Thats a joke. You cant replace an elite player that easily. Hes been a top Rb every year of his career, with a poor offense, and a poor OC. Every team knows hes our main weapon, what do you think would happen if we didnt have him? Hes responsible for over 30% of our offense, unless we get lucky and have an arian foster sitting on the practice sqaud. Its funny how people will sit here and gloat about how good of a person rice has been, hard work ethic, great guy, never complaining about money then its time for contract talks and hed like to be paid and people crucify him for it, likes he a bad person now. I hope we pay him the money, i believe hes worth the 10 a year, our offense is already below average with him, you really want to see what it looks like to have an even worse offense,,,,get rid of him, because then it affects, joe, Q, torrey, etc...

Im all about character and think ray has shown hes an upclass guy, if he acted like desean, then let him kick rocks, pay the man
[/quote]
The thing is he probably only has 3 years left.

[ThePurpleWall]

why cant we sign him for the McCoy Deal ? im un sure of what McCoy deal was before this but if this it is 4,5 year for 45 million 20 million guaranteed, Rice should take it, [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/news/eagles-rb-mccoy-gets-deal-231059436--nba.html"]http://sports.yahoo.com/news/eagles-rb-mccoy-gets-deal-231059436--nba.html[/url] ,

[usmccharles]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1337602642' post='1080333']
The thing is he probably only has 3 years left.
[/quote]

so 3 more years with a elite rb, ill take it. I think ray has 4 good years left, obviously not counting any injuries

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1337574211' post='1080287']
Jamal Lewis situation was different because following his time in jail he came back wasn't running as aggressively. Also jamal Lewis was ran into the ground in a similar fashion to Earl Campbell , Eddie George. ( even Jamal Anderson, and Larry Johnson suffered similar fates in only 2 seasons time because of extreme number of bruising carries in a season ). Ray Rice isn't used as a sledgehammer running back, to pound out the defense... But he still receives a high number of touches when you combine runs and receptions.
[/quote]

I agree Rice has a lot more left in the tank than Jamal did. The problem is that over the years I've noticed a common theme with A LOT of runningbacks, even the elite ones, is that you never know when they are going to be finished. They go from being All-Pros one year i.e. Shaun Alexander, to out of the league the next season. I'm just speculating that part of the reason this deal isn't getting done is because the front office has a sense of Ray's shelf life and maybe doesn't want to commit to him for the number of years that HE wants. The Vikings gave Peterson a 7 year 100 million deal that would make him 32 by the time it's over. Most other runningbacks got 5 year deals, even McCoy who is 2 years younger than Rice. If we gave Rice a 5 year, 50 million dollar deal, I think that's a good deal for both sides, but I don't want to invest more money or especially more years on a deal for a position that has a habit of getting old in a very short amount of time.

[callahan09]

5/35 would be ideal for Rice. I don't think he plays well past the age of 29 or 30, so don't give him too long of a deal. 7 million is a fair rate for Rice. Don't go higher than 8 at any cost. Not worth it. His receiving production can be replicated with other personnel, those numbers are largely what they are because of our scheme, not because Rice has some special ability to execute those plays, at least that's my opinion. His rushing game is over-rated. Most of his big plays come directly as a result of great blocking from the O-line. When the O-line isn't perfect, Rice is worthless. Feel free to neg me, Rice fanatics.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1337599627' post='1080330']
losing our run game will in no way help our passing game...
[/quote]we wont lose our run game... RR running game wont be hard to replicate, as i said hes lucky if he is a top 10 runner in the league. It his catching ability that would be missed

[Clutch Ravens]

I'm sorry, but Rice's maximum market value was set when McCoy and Foster signed 5 year 45 Million deals. Both are just as good, if not better (definitely in the case of McCoy) and Rice can't honestly believe he's more valuable than those two.

Add in the fact that Forte only wants 8.5 Million a year and Rice asking for 10 looks ridiculous.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1337607213' post='1080343']
we wont lose our run game... RR running game wont be hard to replicate, as i said hes lucky if he is a top 10 runner in the league. It his catching ability that would be missed
[/quote]

i disagree, hes still an elite runner. we wont LOSE our run game but it will drop off significantly. I just dont understand how everyone things losing him is no big deal, that the other guys will make up for 2k yards without question. These guys have no games under their belt and i just have a huge issue taking away joes saftey blanket, i know this is a difference of opinions, i consider rice a top 5 rb easily...AP, CJ, foster, MJD? and rice is more of a dual threat than all but foster, you can argue cj for some cases.

Losing suggs isnt as big of deal as rice would be because we have so many great players on defense, on offense we have very limited playmakers.

[Sizzlebshu]

This is actually isnt too bad, if this is done. Pay Rice a total of 50 million guarantee 35 mill, but space it out as 8,9, 10, 11, 12. While he wants 10 mill a year, this is actually a pretty good deal for him. The tv contracts will kick in and big contracts will come off the books so we can make this doable cap wise if Rice is willing to take a small pay hit from 10 mil a year to 8 and 9 for the first two years which he should considering how much he would get guaranteed.

[The Raven]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1337599627' post='1080330']
losing our run game will in no way help our passing game...
[/quote]

I said nothing close to that...

To further clarify, since it appears it needs to be done, our run game will have very little, if any drop off without Rice. However, the passing game might suffer without Rice.

[The Raven]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1337608160' post='1080345']
i disagree, hes still an elite runner. we wont LOSE our run game but it will drop off significantly. I just dont understand how everyone things losing him is no big deal, that the other guys will make up for 2k yards without question. These guys have no games under their belt and i just have a huge issue taking away joes saftey blanket, i know this is a difference of opinions, i consider rice a top 5 rb easily...AP, CJ, foster, MJD? and rice is more of a dual threat than all but foster, you can argue cj for some cases.

Losing suggs isnt as big of deal as rice would be because we have so many great players on defense, on offense we have very limited playmakers.
[/quote]

Ricky Williams is 35 years old and had double Rice's YPC against the Patriots. Tell me more about how our run game will drop off significantly if we lose him.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1337606855' post='1080342']
5/35 would be ideal for Rice. I don't think he plays well past the age of 29 or 30, so don't give him too long of a deal. 7 million is a fair rate for Rice. Don't go higher than 8 at any cost. Not worth it. His receiving production can be replicated with other personnel, those numbers are largely what they are because of our scheme, not because Rice has some special ability to execute those plays, at least that's my opinion. His rushing game is over-rated. Most of his big plays come directly as a result of great blocking from the O-line. When the O-line isn't perfect, Rice is worthless. Feel free to neg me, Rice fanatics.
[/quote]

I wouldn't go higher than $8M per year for Rice. The length of the deal and up-front, guaranteed money could push the deal higher. We will need all we can spare to sign Flacco to a long-term deal. Quarterbacks can be effective much longer in the NFL than running backs. There is a diminishing return with Rice's contract. The other factors would be the emergence of Pierce or Allen as viable alternatives. I understand Rice's contractual position. I deal with international contracts at work and know that you never go into negotiations without both sides starting far apart. The key is to find a happy medium and compromise to satisfy both parties. It's easy to comment outside of the negotiating table but to see the workings behind the scenes makes everything clearer in the end. I hope that this is resolved without another year of tagging Rice. If that happens, then we are telling him that we will move in another direction for the future.