Yanda Restructures Contract

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https://twitter.com/ravensinsider/status/200503897712898048

Yanda restructured his contract to help out the cap space this year.. He didn't lose any money just spread it out by taking a larger signing bonus which is spread out over the length of the contract

[arnie_uk]

They must be banking on ray lewis retiring if they think they can afford to push money back. Or even ed going, or ray rice.

To afford this something has to give.

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That plus mckinnie's contract will be gone too after this year and others but I can't really think right now.. Too tired ha

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336645662' post='1075493']
They must be banking on ray lewis retiring if they think they can afford to push money back. Or even ed going, or ray rice.

To afford this something has to give.
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Do you think this maybe RR last year as a Raven if the Flacco deal doesn't get done? Or is this to make it so we can sign another player this year?

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336649853' post='1075510']


Do you think this maybe RR last year as a Raven if the Flacco deal doesn't get done? Or is this to make it so we can sign another player this year?
[/quote]I think its his last year no matter what happens with Joe if he doesn't sign the deal we have offered him and he plays on the tag.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336649853' post='1075510']


Do you think this maybe RR last year as a Raven if the Flacco deal doesn't get done? Or is this to make it so we can sign another player this year?
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But who would we be trying to bring in? Maybe Osi?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336651205' post='1075514']
I think its his last year no matter what happens with Joe if he doesn't sign the deal we have offered him and he plays on the tag.
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I agree. While they may say that Bernard Pierce is a complementary back to Rice, I believe he will be the future of the franchise if we cannot get that deal worked out and if Rice plays out the year on the tag. Joe Flacco is more important than Ray Rice, and that's just the reality.

I'm not sure if I like this restructure but oh well. I'm not very fond of them at all. They typically mean we hurt ourselves years after, and Yanda's contract is quite big the next couple of years. I kinda wish they would have added another year onto the deal to spread it out some, but oh well.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1336651663' post='1075515']
But who would we be trying to bring in? Maybe Osi?
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I don't think this means we are bringing in anyone else just because of the restructure. Rather, this is probably an explanation for how we signed Jones, McBean, etc. and also gives us some room in case we are close to a deal with Joe and don't want to make his contract too back heavy.

I don't think we will trade for Osi. If anything, we bring in a guy off of the streets.

[BMORElegacy]

This is the first restructuring I've ever seen the Ravens do. Things must be dire behind the scenes.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1336655903' post='1075531']
This is the first restructuring I've ever seen the Ravens do. Things must be dire behind the scenes.
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or it could be "the beginning of a beautiful friendship"... with Ed (putting 2-3 more years on his contract and "re-structure" his cap for this year), maybe get Ray an extension of a year or two, ask Boldin if he wants to retire a Raven and make his cap more friendly to absorb... and signing Joe and Rice to long term deals will help greatly too
plenty of time 'till season starts (july for the francise tag), so we'll have to see what money moves where in the next months or so

[berad]

They're banking on a significant salary cap increase, too. They didn't really have that this year.

[B-more Ravor]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1336655903' post='1075531']
This is the first restructuring I've ever seen the Ravens do. Things must be dire behind the scenes.
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The Ravens have done many restructures over the years, just not that many recently.

The last ones they did were Heap and Gregg in 2008. Mulitalo did one at some point in 2005ish or so.

Prior to that, they often did wholesale restructures back in 1999-2002 (which was the main reason that they had to go through the Cap purge of 2002).

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1336656738' post='1075540']


or it could be "the beginning of a beautiful friendship"... with Ed (putting 2-3 more years on his contract and "re-structure" his cap for this year), maybe get Ray an extension of a year or two, ask Boldin if he wants to retire a Raven and make his cap more friendly to absorb... and signing Joe and Rice to long term deals will help greatly too
plenty of time 'till season starts (july for the francise tag), so we'll have to see what money moves where in the next months or so
[/quote]re structuring isn't a beautiful friendship.. its a sign of cap trouble and all restructuring does is put it off and amplify it in future years

[sflegend89]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336645662' post='1075493']
They must be banking on ray lewis retiring if they think they can afford to push money back. Or even ed going, or ray rice.

To afford this something has to give.
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[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336649853' post='1075510']
Do you think this maybe RR last year as a Raven if the Flacco deal doesn't get done? Or is this to make it so we can sign another player this year?
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Woah talk about jumping to conclusions. I always have to sit back and laugh when people speculate about stuff like this and start with the theories. Joe and Ray will be Ravens for a long time. Lewis and Reed will both be back next year. There's dozens of other plausible reasons why we restructured but I guess that's not as exciting as "Ray Rice is gonna leave oh noezzzz!!!"

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1336656738' post='1075540']


or it could be "the beginning of a beautiful friendship"... with Ed (putting 2-3 more years on his contract and "re-structure" his cap for this year), maybe get Ray an extension of a year or two, ask Boldin if he wants to retire a Raven and make his cap more friendly to absorb... and signing Joe and Rice to long term deals will help greatly too
plenty of time 'till season starts (july for the francise tag), so we'll have to see what money moves where in the next months or so
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Finally, an optimist in the bunch.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336662121' post='1075605']
re structuring isn't a beautiful friendship.. its a sign of cap trouble and all restructuring does is put it off and amplify it in future years
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agreed, but if not a lot of money is moved to future years and taking into account that the salary cap should steadily increse from now on (as berad also said) than it can only be beautiful to sign Ed for a few more years, Ray to keep around to lead for a bit more, Boldin as guarantee at WR (at least in the slot until he retires), Joe and Rice signed for multi years...

[CapoRocky]

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Woah talk about jumping to conclusions. I always have to sit back and laugh when people speculate about stuff like this and start with the theories. Joe and Ray will be Ravens for a long time. Lewis and Reed will both be back as well next year. Relax people!
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It could be worse. At least no one is speculating that we will move to LA after the season like the Vikings or move to Toronto like the Bills. Let's just ride out the Suggs injury and hope for the best.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336645662' post='1075493']
They must be banking on ray lewis retiring if they think they can afford to push money back. Or even ed going, or ray rice.

To afford this something has to give.
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It's going to be Boldin.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1336662336' post='1075611']





Woah talk about jumping to conclusions. I always have to sit back and laugh when people speculate about stuff like this and start with the theories. Joe and Ray will be Ravens for a long time. Lewis and Reed will both be back next year. There's dozens of other plausible reasons why we restructured but I guess that's not as exciting as "Ray Rice is gonna leave oh noezzzz!!!"
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Besides the fact that he is unhappy threating to hold out and we drafted a running back and we are restructuring contracts to try and get we to make the offense more explosive. And the talks are going nowhere with the fact we can name 5 gms that would give rice the money he asks.

I could go on....anything is plausible in the NFL esp with next years raised cap that's another one

[JO_75]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336645662' post='1075493']
They must be banking on ray lewis retiring if they think they can afford to push money back. Or even ed going, or ray rice.

To afford this something has to give.
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It has nothing to do with it, I just saw he dropped his 2012 Salary to $700,000 and converted the remainder $4.5 base salary into a signing bonus.

This is nothing to worry about, I mean we aren't the Steelers here where we'll need to do a bunch of restructuring. I think this only helps us get Rice or Flacco done this year.

[sflegend89]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336664785' post='1075645']
Besides the fact that he is unhappy threating to hold out and we drafted a running back and we are restructuring contracts to try and get we to make the offense more explosive. And the talks are going nowhere with the fact we can name 5 gms that would give rice the money he asks.

I could go on....anything is plausible in the NFL esp with next years raised cap that's another one
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Players hold out All the time! It's business leverage, not a sign of animosity towards the organization. Revis, Chris Johnson, Desean Jackson, Frank Gore, are big names that have had hold outs in the last few years. How many of them [i]eventually[/i] got a deal with their original team? ALL OF THEM. Ray is really tight with his teammates and coaches..and the organization loves Ray as a player/person. So I'm 99.9% sure this hold out will end the same way all of those did.

..And lol @ drafting Pierce being a reason to let ray walk. Also wouldn't restructuring contracts indicate we wanna clear cap room so we can give Rice/Flacco [i]more [/i]money. Isn't that [i]exactly[/i] what the Jets did to clear room to bump up revis' contract. just lol

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1336665279' post='1075653']


It has nothing to do with it, I just saw he dropped his 2012 Salary to $700,000 and converted the remainder $4.5 base salary into a signing bonus.

This is nothing to worry about, I mean we aren't the Steelers here where we'll need to do a bunch of restructuring. I think this only helps us get Rice or Flacco done this year.
[/quote]have you seen yandas cap hit the next few years 7 8 mil for a guard and this year they couldn't manage with it being a lot less. If the cap doesn't jump someone big has to come off...

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1336665900' post='1075662']

Players hold out All the time! It's business leverage, not a sign of animosity towards the organization. Revis, Chris Johnson, Desean Jackson, Frank Gore, are big names that have had hold outs in the last few years. How many of them [i]eventually[/i] got a deal with their original team? ALL OF THEM. Ray is really tight with his teammates and coaches..and the organization loves Ray as a player/person. So I'm 99.9% sure this hold out will end the same way all of those did.

..And lol @ drafting Pierce being a reason to let ray walk. Also wouldn't restructuring contracts indicate we wanna clear cap room so we can give Rice/Flacco [i]more [/i]money. Isn't that [i]exactly[/i] what the Jets did to clear room to bump up revis' contract. just lol
[/quote]we don't need to clear cap for rr, any deal for ray at this stage will bring his cap figure down. unless they really really front load it. Flaccos can go either way.

[sflegend89]

Restructuring Yanda was to lighten the damage from the recent signings of Jacoby Jones and McBean. It's not because Ray rice is leaving or Ray or Ed are retiring though. It's honestly annoying when people are misinformed and start talking about all these severe conspiracy theories. It really is nothing beyond helping with Jones and McBean signings. But if you didn't know that, your day/week/month just got ruined because now your worrying about Ray Rice leaving and Ray or Ed retiring lol.

It only takes one guy with a theory and then one person re-posts it and all of sudden everyone else thinks it's actually legit.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1336667846' post='1075694']
Restructuring Yanda was to lighten the damage from the recent signings of Jacoby Jones and McBean. It's not because Ray rice is leaving or Ray or Ed are retiring though. It's honestly annoying when people are[b] misinformed [/b]and start talking about all these severe conspiracy theories. It really is nothing beyond helping with Jones and McBean signings. But if you didn't know that, your day/week/month just got ruined because now your worrying about Ray Rice leaving and Ray or Ed retiring lol.

It only takes one guy with a theory and then one person re-posts it and all of sudden everyone else thinks it's actually legit.
[/quote]Im far from misinformed.... Yandas cap firgure was 6.5, now the future years look like this:

2012 ($3.65 million), 2013 ($7.45 million), 2014 ($8.45 million) and 2015 ($8.45 million). Add in the fact that almost every single player on the rosters salary goes up year on year and its been reported that the cap may not take one huge jump, something has to give, otherwise they will end up like the steelers, re doing deals year on year, pushing the money back, amplifying the problem.

It could be RR doesnt get a Longterm deal and we go with Pierce, it could be ray lewis retires, it could be Ed doesnt get a new deal, boldin could be cut...

Your misinformed that you think everything is merry in cap land and we can sign everyone we want. I can almsot guarentee this re structure was a one off and they wont make a habit off it, so someone on a high salary is likely out next year and IMO that will be boldin if the WRs step up and RR if he doesnt sign the LT deal we have offered him.

Ive been saying that all along, this isnt a knee jerk reaction, contray to what you[s] know [/s]think.

[sflegend89]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336668848' post='1075707']
Im far from misinformed.... Yandas cap firgure was 6.5, now the future years look like this:

2012 ($3.65 million), 2013 ($7.45 million), 2014 ($8.45 million) and 2015 ($8.45 million). Add in the fact that almost every single player on the rosters salary goes up year on year and its been reported that the cap may not take one huge jump, something has to give, otherwise they will end up like the steelers, re doing deals year on year, pushing the money back, amplifying the problem.

[u][b]It could be RR doesnt get a Longterm deal and we go with Pierce[/b][/u], it could be [u][b]ray lewis retires[/b][/u], it could be Ed doesnt get a new deal, boldin could be cut...

Your misinformed that you think everything is merry in cap land and we can sign everyone we want. I can almsot guarentee this re structure was a one off and they wont make a habit off it, so someone on a high salary is likely out next year and IMO that will be boldin if the WRs step up and RR if he doesnt sign the LT deal we have offered him.

Ive been saying that all along, this isnt a knee jerk reaction, contray to what you[s] know [/s]think.
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Letting go of Rice this offseason for a shot in the dark on a guy who hasn't played a down of NFL ball is beyond ridiculous and I'm sure the FO would agree. A few weeks ago we didn't know if he's even our #2 RB and today he's replacing the NFL's yards from scrimmage leader, child please The point of the hold out is rice isn't gonna sign his tender for this year, so it's not like we can let Pierce develop for a year and then let Ray walk after his franchise tag year. Either he leaves this offseason or he get's a long term deal and I'm almost positive it will be the latter.

Ray Lewis said he's coming back how many times? Why would he retire after making it clear he still wants to play. If Ray Lewis isn't a Baltimore Raven in 2012 I will personally send you $100 dollars in an envelope and I'm dead serious, you can hold me to it.
Or what the front office is gonna say "Ray we just don't have the cap room this year, why don't you hang em up". If Ray [u]wants[/u] to play this year, then he will play end of story (And he does want to).

We have been preparing for this off-season for a while now. it's not like the FO just found out there's no extra money lol, they've had ample time to to plan this out and they expected Rice to hold out from the start. Look at Frank Gore, look at DeSean Jackson, look at Revis. All 3 of those teams were in dire straights cap wise, during the hold out. It takes time but GM's restructure different guys contracts, negotiate with the other side, and move money around so they can keep their big name players. ALL of those guys got deals with their original teams eventually, and ALL of those teams were in a similar cap pickle that we're in now.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1336670313' post='1075717']
Letting go of Rice this offseason for a shot in the dark on a guy who hasn't played a down of NFL ball is beyond ridiculous and I'm sure the FO would agree. A few weeks ago we didn't know if he's even our #2 RB and today he's replacing the NFL's yards from scrimmage leader, child please

Ray Lewis said he's coming back how many times? Why would he retire after making it clear he still wants to play. If Ray Lewis isn't a Baltimore Raven in 2012 I will personally send you $100 dollars in an envelope and I'm dead serious, you can hold me to it.
Or what the front office is gonna say "Ray we just don't have the cap room this year, why don't you hang em up". If Ray [u]wants[/u] to play this year, then he will play end of story (And he does want to).

We have been preparing for this off-season for a while now. it's not like the FO just found out there's no extra money lol, they've had ample to to plan this out and they expected Rice to hold out from the start. Look at Frank Gore, look at DeSean Jackson, look at Revis. All 3 of those teams were in dire straights cap wise, during the hold out. It takes time but GM's restructure different guys contracts, negotiate with the other side, and move money around so they can keep their big name players. ALL of those guys got deals with their original teams eventually, and ALL of those teams were in a similar cap pickle that we're in now.
[/quote]im talking about next year... i thought that was pretty clear

the way its playing out (not just this yanda deal) if the cap doesnt take a huge jump someone big will miss, and as i said, i think it will be RR and/or boldin, provided RR doesnt sign a deal we have reportedly offered him, and the rest of the WRs step up.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336670557' post='1075722']
im talking about next year... i thought that was pretty clear

the way its playing out (not just this yanda deal) if the cap doesnt take a huge jump someone big will miss, and as i said, i think it will be RR and/or boldin, provided RR doesnt sign a deal we have reportedly offered him, and the rest of the WRs step up.
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Yanda's cap figure went up about 1M for next 3 years, It's really not such a huge difference that you are making out to be. If we restructured every single long-term deal on the books like the Steelers did, then I would be concerned.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1336671534' post='1075729']

Yanda's cap figure went up about 1M for next 3 years, It's really not such a huge difference that you are making out to be. If we restructured every single long-term deal on the books like the Steelers did, then I would be concerned.
[/quote]as I said, this wasn't a knee jerk reaction to him restructuring its just how I see it playing out

[flynismo]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1336662336' post='1075611']
Woah talk about jumping to conclusions. I always have to sit back and laugh when people speculate about stuff like this and start with the theories. Joe and Ray will be Ravens for a long time. Lewis and Reed will both be back next year. There's dozens of other plausible reasons why we restructured but I guess that's not as exciting as "Ray Rice is gonna leave oh noezzzz!!!"
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I think the odds of RR being a Raven next season are 50 / 50, at best. And has nothing to do with a restructure.