Predict Our Record

[PeRK82]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1336507739' post='1074120']
"Gotta disagree with the Eagles, we whopped them bad last time we played. We took D.Mcnabb out of the game."

Is what you said for your original justification. You mention "last time" we played them, which is no longer relevant. Both teams are very different, and much better. I highly doubt that we will [i]whoop[/i] them like we did "last time"
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uMM where did i say we would whop them this time??? I think we will beat, imo. Id be more worried about the Bengals then the Eagles.

[The Raven]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1336513019' post='1074163']
uMM where did i say we would whop them this time??? I think we will beat, imo. Id be more worried about the Bengals then the Eagles.
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You didn't provide any justification for this year's game against them, but stated how we whooped them last time. Doesn't make sense to me.

[3-4ravdef509]

[b]Week 1[/b]: vs Bengals; [b]Win[/b]- Dalton and AJ are a good hook-up, and they are definitely getting better, but not enough time has progressed for them to surpass us yet.

[b]Week 2[/b]: @ Eagles; [b]Win[/b]- Eagles has lots of speed which is concerning, and without Suggs containing Vick will be a challenge. But, I like our offense in this one, being able to get Rice in Space and having Torrey going deep should lead us to victory.

[b]Week 3[/b]: vs. Patriots; [b]Win[/b]- Revenge on the team that knocked us out of the playoffs, just like when we beat the Steelers last year Week 1. Their D is getting younger and better, but Welker holding out and the aging of Brady are going to start catching up with this team,

[b]Week 4[/b]: vs. Browns; [b]Win[/b]- Um....yeah.

[b]Week 5[/b]: @ Kansas City; [b]Win[/b]- 30-7, just like last time.

[b]Week 6[/b]: vs. Cowboys; [b]Loss- [/b]I think the o-line is going to key into this loss, and we'll probably be playing catch up late in the game. Of course, Romo might hand us the game late too, so our defense might bail us out. But I think a shocker loss at home will kick us in the gut and get us ready for the tougher part of our schedule.

[b]Week 7[/b]: @ Texans; [b]Win- [/b]Our o-line is ready this time and Flacco has another field day against their secondary. Also, Ray Ray and co. want revenge on Foster for topping 100 yards on them last year

[b]Week 8[/b]: bye

[b]Week 9[/b]: @ Browns; [b]Win[/b]- Close, and ugly, like 9-7

[b]Week 10[/b]: vs. Raiders; [b]Win[/b]- Another close ugly one, but we score a couple times late on a deep bomb to Torrey and a Palmer INT.

[b]Week 11[/b]: @ Steelers; [b]Win- [/b]Flacco has cracked their defense, Big Ben is aging, salary cap issues and coaching changes are going to hold back Pittsburgh.

[b]Week 12[/b]: @ Chargers; [b]Loss[/b]- Proof that Roger Goodell hates us...lol jk.

[b]Week 13[/b]: vs. Steelers; [b]Win[/b]- Flacco leads us late to come back again...

[b]Week 14[/b]: @ Redskins; [b]Win[/b]- They will be a fun match-up, but need a couple more years to compete.

[b]Week 15[/b]: vs. Broncos; [b]Win[/b]- No way we lose to Manning again, the jig is up.

[b]Week 16[/b]: vs. Giants; [b]Loss[/b]- I think Flacco falters a bit, starts to come back late but in vain. Flacco is what Eli used to be, and Flacco is on the verge of really turning it on but needs that extra push.

[b]Week 17[/b]: @ Bengals; [b]Loss[/b]- Flacco plays better, but I think our defense has an off week, and Rice disappears.

12-4, probably wins the division unless Bengals tie us and have some weird tie breaker. Flacco gets hot in playoffs though...

Wild Card: Either a bye or probably a match-up against the Broncos or Texans I think...against the Broncos I think our D will harass Manning and Flacco will take advantage of short fields. Texans will get ugly...we might lose just because they're sick of losing to us. Depends if our o-line gives Flacco time.

Divisional: Probably against Cincy, whether at home or away, or against New England. Cincy I think we will struggle against. New England we will dismantle... we won't let it happen two years in a row that they steal a win from us.

Championship: Either against Cincy, New England, or a wildcard team that makes it (i.e, Jets, Bills, Titans maybe?, Pitt)
I'm betting we play conservative early on and Flacco has to come back in the end....Deep bomb to Rice sets up game winning FG, Cundiff redeems himself.

Superbowl: Ok, who knows lol. I'm already getting ahead oh myself...but no way we lose if we get here. Reed, Lewis, maybe even Suggs won't let it happen.

[admartian]

[b](Win) Week 1[/b]: vs Bengals; The Bengals have been our bogey team for a while now. But I still see us getting the W. Close game: 26-18
[b](Loss) Week 2[/b]: @ Eagles; We can't contain Sahdy or Vick. A 'shootout' & Joe shows good form throwing 3 TDs and our new kicker with 2 FGs in a losing effort: 31-27.
[b](Win) Week 3[/b]: vs. Patriots; Close defensive struggle. We eke it out with a late drive and FGs: 13-12.
[b](Win) Week 4[/b]: vs. Browns; Young team. Weeden wees his pants and throws 3 picks: 31-10.
[b](Loss) Week 5[/b]: @ Kansas City; Trap game, our D lets up and Charles runs loose: 20-13.
[b](Win) Week 6[/b]: vs. Cowboys; Our team bounces back after the trap game and seals the Tony Romo-choke legacy: 24-16
[b](Loss) Week 7[/b]: @ Texans; They get revenge for last year. They gameplan perfectly in a rout: 31-20
[b]Week 8[/b]: BYE
[b](Win) Week 9[/b]: @ Browns; Bye-week injection after reflection. We win against an improved, yet still lacking Brownies team: 23-13
[b](Win) Week 10[/b]: vs. Raiders; DMC is injured and without Bush, Taiwan Jones can't pick up the slack. Neither can Carson: 36-6.
[b](Loss) Week 11[/b]: @ Steelers; They're determined to wipe last year's memories. A sual tough battle. But they get this with the help of the 12th and 13th (refs) man: 16-13.
[b](Loss) Week 12[/b]: @ Chargers; Bogey team once more, and made worse that we have to travel on a short week: 26-14.
[b](Win) Week 13[/b]: vs. Steelers; We bounce back. But we're still tired and plod along: 16-9.
[b](Win) Week 14[/b]: @ Redskins; RG3 is the next Cam or he's the next Boller. Either way, we take the win: 30-17.
[b](Win) Week 15[/b]: vs. Broncos; While still doing some damage, Manning's team chemistry isn't the same with the old Colts and Joe makes a statement against a legend: 28-19.
[b](Win) Week 16[/b]: vs. Giants; We somehow win this with a late drive and keep Eli from marching in the last seconds: 27-20.
[b](Win) Week 17[/b]: @ Bengals; Very tough game. Dalton sees no slump but yet our Special Teams is the difference: 20-16.

11-5 seems realistic (but probably more like 10-6) and we have a late-season run/winning streak.

[doc108]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1336513516' post='1074174']
[b]Week 1[/b]: vs Bengals; [b]Win[/b]- Dalton and AJ are a good hook-up, and they are definitely getting better, but not enough time has progressed for them to surpass us yet.

[b]Week 2[/b]: @ Eagles; [b]Win[/b]- Eagles has lots of speed which is concerning, and without Suggs containing Vick will be a challenge. But, I like our offense in this one, being able to get Rice in Space and having Torrey going deep should lead us to victory.

[b]Week 3[/b]: vs. Patriots; [b]Win[/b]- Revenge on the team that knocked us out of the playoffs, just like when we beat the Steelers last year Week 1. Their D is getting younger and better, but Welker holding out and the aging of Brady are going to start catching up with this team,

[b]Week 4[/b]: vs. Browns; [b]Win[/b]- Um....yeah.

[b]Week 5[/b]: @ Kansas City; [b]Win[/b]- 30-7, just like last time.

[b]Week 6[/b]: vs. Cowboys; [b]Loss- [/b]I think the o-line is going to key into this loss, and we'll probably be playing catch up late in the game. Of course, Romo might hand us the game late too, so our defense might bail us out. But I think a shocker loss at home will kick us in the gut and get us ready for the tougher part of our schedule.

[b]Week 7[/b]: @ Texans; [b]Win- [/b]Our o-line is ready this time and Flacco has another field day against their secondary. Also, Ray Ray and co. want revenge on Foster for topping 100 yards on them last year

[b]Week 8[/b]: bye

[b]Week 9[/b]: @ Browns; [b]Win[/b]- Close, and ugly, like 9-7

[b]Week 10[/b]: vs. Raiders; [b]Win[/b]- Another close ugly one, but we score a couple times late on a deep bomb to Torrey and a Palmer INT.

[b]Week 11[/b]: @ Steelers; [b]Win- [/b]Flacco has cracked their defense, Big Ben is aging, salary cap issues and coaching changes are going to hold back Pittsburgh.

[b]Week 12[/b]: @ Chargers; [b]Loss[/b]- Proof that Roger Goodell hates us...lol jk.

[b]Week 13[/b]: vs. Steelers; [b]Win[/b]- Flacco leads us late to come back again...

[b]Week 14[/b]: @ Redskins; [b]Win[/b]- They will be a fun match-up, but need a couple more years to compete.

[b]Week 15[/b]: vs. Broncos; [b]Win[/b]- No way we lose to Manning again, the jig is up.

[b]Week 16[/b]: vs. Giants; [b]Loss[/b]- I think Flacco falters a bit, starts to come back late but in vain. Flacco is what Eli used to be, and Flacco is on the verge of really turning it on but needs that extra push.

[b]Week 17[/b]: @ Bengals; [b]Loss[/b]- Flacco plays better, but I think our defense has an off week, and Rice disappears.

12-4, probably wins the division unless Bengals tie us and have some weird tie breaker. Flacco gets hot in playoffs though...

Wild Card: Either a bye or probably a match-up against the Broncos or Texans I think...against the Broncos I think our D will harass Manning and Flacco will take advantage of short fields. Texans will get ugly...we might lose just because they're sick of losing to us. Depends if our o-line gives Flacco time.

Divisional: Probably against Cincy, whether at home or away, or against New England. Cincy I think we will struggle against. New England we will dismantle... we won't let it happen two years in a row that they steal a win from us.

Championship: Either against Cincy, New England, or a wildcard team that makes it (i.e, Jets, Bills, Titans maybe?, Pitt)
I'm betting we play conservative early on and Flacco has to come back in the end....Deep bomb to Rice sets up game winning FG, Cundiff redeems himself.

Superbowl: Ok, who knows lol. I'm already getting ahead oh myself...but no way we lose if we get here. Reed, Lewis, maybe even Suggs won't let it happen.
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You could very well win that game vs Texans however Flacco ANOTHER field day. No. He had not even 200 yards against us he may have a field day but not another.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1336484871' post='1073904']
[b]Week 1[/b]: vs Bengals; [b]Win[/b]- Season opener, we are hard to beat at home, secondary steps up
[b]Week 2[/b]: @ Eagles; [b]Win[/b]- i trust vick as far as i can throw him, but since its in philly i give them a chance
[b]Week 3[/b]: vs. Patriots; [b]Win[/b]- Joe finally beats brady and we get credit for being a elite team at 3-0
[b]Week 4[/b]: vs. Browns; [b]Win[/b]- trent richardson meet real defense
[b]Week 5[/b]: @ Kansas City; [b]Win[/b]- Cassel is still over rated, Only chance they have is in their run game, Charles' speed is insane
[b]Week 6[/b]: vs. Cowboys; [b]Win[/b]- Our house, i think it will be a very good game, our secondary vs their WRs
[b]Week 7[/b]: @ Texans; [b]Loss[/b]-They get the best of us, foster has big game. Their D is good and our O line isnt
[b]Week 8[/b]: bye
[b]Week 9[/b]: @ Browns; [b]Win[/b]- Rice has monster game
[b]Week 10[/b]: vs. Raiders; [b]Win[/b]- i just dont think they have the right weapons to beat us, palmer throws 3ints
[b]Week 11[/b]: @ Steelers; [b]Loss[/b]- they have this date circled...their house, close game, 24-20
[b]Week 12[/b]: @ Chargers; [b]Loss[/b]- we never do good after a steelers game, this in diego, the traveling will kill us
[b]Week 13[/b]: vs. Steelers; [b]Win[/b]- our house and we get revenge, joe has big game
[b]Week 14[/b]: @ Redskins; [b]Win[/b]- Young team shows signs of a good future, just not on this day
[b]Week 15[/b]: vs. Broncos; [b]Win[/b]- We get to manning a lot and shut down their one wr
[b]Week 16[/b]: vs. Giants; [b]Loss[/b]- their front 7 is awesome, their pass attack will be good and run game, close game but i think they pull it off somehow
[b]Week 17[/b]: @ Bengals; [b]Loss[/b]- I just see us losing this game after a hard physical week against the giants

And add one [b]Loss [/b]in there, most likely a team we should beat. gives me my guess of 10-6. I just think we have a brutual schedule, week 11-13 especially, honestly wouldnt be suprised if we lost all three of those games, obviously i hope not
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Lets don't make this a smack filled debate. Just make your case or ignore the post.

This Raiders offense has a chance to be one of the best offenses in the league next year. (not good to lose your best pass rusher)

The raiders will be running an offense very similiar to the texans.( stretch zone blocking system- Wco offense)

It starts up front with the oline. Only 25 sacks given up and they upgraded and this oline as it was specifically made to play in this system. LT Jared Veldheer 6'8 325( many pro bowl in his future) LG Tony Bergstrom 6'5 315 C Stephan wisniewski 6'3 315 Rg Mike Briesiel 6'5 300 Rt Khalif barnes 6'5 325 / Joe Barksdale 6'5 325

As you well know The Texans offense throws alot of passes to it Rbs and Te's. Raiders have an abundance of weapons. A very deep Rb committee .( Dmc, Taiwan Jones and Mike goodson) - Anyone of these rb's touch it whether it's a pass or run they are capable of taking it to the house from anywhere. FB Marcel reece 6'3 245 4.45 speed (a unique weapon as he really a wr playing FB) again he capable of scoring from anywhere) Now the TEs Raiders have two 6'4 265 Te's David ausberry (get him in your Fantasy football league) 4.5 speed (legitimate Wr skills) and R Gordon who has 4.63 speed more a blocker but he has the speed to threathen a secondary also. That not counting T Pryor 6'5 240 4.38 who could play some Te if he the third string Qb.

Now the fastest Wr corp in the Nfl. ( J Ford, Denarius Moore and Dhb) with the best deep passer in the game (carson Plamer) Throw in Juron Criner 6'3 220 and eddie Mcgee 6'4 220 to do the dirty work- poissessin guys / red zone threats.

There is just too many weapons on offense for a defense to handle. Stretch that Raven defense out big time. Wr's going down the field. The Oline stretching that big Ravens dline out as The Raiders Rbs can get the corner anytime they want against any defense. .
Takie away the run. Big deal they just start using those rb's and te in the passing game. The Ravens start to cheaT up the Raiders just run right past that ravens secondary.

This Raider offense no joke and has so much more weapons than the Chargers offense. You have two Te's that can threathen a secondary it not good for many 3-4 defense.. Thats not even counting rookie Derek carrier (backup probably to reece) He a 6'3 240 wr with 4.51 speed. Speed kils.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='doc108' timestamp='1336515235' post='1074191']
You could very well win that game vs Texans however Flacco ANOTHER field day. No. He had not even 200 yards against us he may have a field day but not another.
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During the Regular Season he had a very good game throwing for over 300 yards, despite throwing 0 tds and 1 int. And during the playoffs he was spot on and would have picked your secondary apart had he not been running for his life. Flacco has your secondary, he just needs his line to hold up longer, and seeing as you lost Mario, and I'm betting Flacco steps up his game to beat the pressure, I see him having another field day meaning high yardage totals. Flacco will rarely throw for 3+ Tds, heck even 2+ Tds because we mostly run the ball in the red zone and stress not turning the ball over. But Flacco can throw all around and over you guys if kept upright.

[wayne]

Lol at everyone putting down that we are losing to the Chargers based off the past. I think Pees is more of a zone Cover 2 guy which counters what Rivers love to do which is heave the ball deep and that's not to mention that there is no more V-Jax. Reed will cheat in the middle a little for Gates trying to split the Cover 2. We win this game, mark my words.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1336518054' post='1074224']
Lol at everyone putting down that we are losing to the Chargers based off the past. I think Pees is more of a zone Cover 2 guy which counters what Rivers love to do which is heave the ball deep and that's not to mention that there is no more V-Jax. Reed will cheat in the middle a little for Gates trying to split the Cover 2. We win this game, mark my words.
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I'm not sure about others, but I think we lose to the Chargers because they are sandwiched between two Pittsburgh games and we have to travel west to play them. If it wasn't for that, I think we could beat them That's a tough win, man. The team will be tired mentally and physically and it will require them to give it their all. I just think they lose the San Diego game. That's my gut.

Still, there's a chance we could beat them. I don't think they are nearly as dangerous without Vincent Jackson.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1336515879' post='1074197']
Lets don't make this a smack filled debate. Just make your case or ignore the post.

This Raiders offense has a chance to be one of the best offenses in the league next year. (not good to lose your best pass rusher)

The raiders will be running an offense very similiar to the texans.( stretch zone blocking system- Wco offense)

It starts up front with the oline. Only 25 sacks given up and they upgraded and this oline as it was specifically made to play in this system. LT Jared Veldheer 6'8 325( many pro bowl in his future) LG Tony Bergstrom 6'5 315 C Stephan wisniewski 6'3 315 Rg Mike Briesiel 6'5 300 Rt Khalif barnes 6'5 325 / Joe Barksdale 6'5 325

As you well know The Texans offense throws alot of passes to it Rbs and Te's. Raiders have an abundance of weapons. A very deep Rb committee .( Dmc, Taiwan Jones and Mike goodson) - Anyone of these rb's touch it whether it's a pass or run they are capable of taking it to the house from anywhere. FB Marcel reece 6'3 245 4.45 speed (a unique weapon as he really a wr playing FB) again he capable of scoring from anywhere) Now the TEs Raiders have two 6'4 265 Te's David ausberry (get him in your Fantasy football league) 4.5 speed (legitimate Wr skills) and R Gordon who has 4.63 speed more a blocker but he has the speed to threathen a secondary also. That not counting T Pryor 6'5 240 4.38 who could play some Te if he the third string Qb.

Now the fastest Wr corp in the Nfl. ( J Ford, Denarius Moore and Dhb) with the best deep passer in the game (carson Plamer) Throw in Juron Criner 6'3 220 and eddie Mcgee 6'4 220 to do the dirty work- poissessin guys / red zone threats.

There is just too many weapons on offense for a defense to handle. Stretch that Raven defense out big time. Wr's going down the field. The Oline stretching that big Ravens dline out as The Raiders Rbs can get the corner anytime they want against any defense. .
Takie away the run. Big deal they just start using those rb's and te in the passing game. The Ravens start to cheaT up the Raiders just run right past that ravens secondary.

This Raider offense no joke and has so much more weapons than the Chargers offense. You have two Te's that can threathen a secondary it not good for many 3-4 defense.. Thats not even counting rookie Derek carrier (backup probably to reece) He a 6'3 240 wr with 4.51 speed. Speed kils.
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So, point by point...your argument for your o-line falls flat because it's all supposition and opinion with no fact. Your o-line might be very good next year but to say so with any certainty is foolish. Size doesn't really prove anything except how big they are.

Darren McFadden is good, I will give you that. But the rest of your "weapons" you once again make suppositions and opinions about them. Again, neither size nor speed will guarantee that they will have any success against our very very strong secondary.

Palmer the best deep passer in the game? Maybe 3 years ago, and that's still a big maybe. He has a lot to prove and hasn't been the same since his injury. Your claim is once again supposition and hope.

Keep in mind our defensive line, already considered very good, had a few injuries last year, mainly Ngata not being as effective as usual (and yet still being a beast), Cody has shown improvement and we have many much more proven young stars in McPhee and Kruger who have proven their worth as pass rushers totaling 13.5 sacks and neither were full time starters, and are now going to be starting more games and more snaps. They have also both made many clutch plays already in very young careers. So even if your o-line turns out being good, our d-line even without Suggs will still be a handful, especially because our secondary will allow our linebackers to focus and stopping the run and jamming your TEs. Webb, if you include playoffs, led the league in INT, and it was his first year as a starter, Smith was a rookie and he came on hot in the playoffs, and Williams is more than a solid 3rd, him and smith are over 6 foot and very capable of out physical-ing your big targets. Reed, is old but still a ball hawk, and Pollard is crazy. Plus, our offense matches up well against yours, as we have much more proven targets and our own premier running back. So the Raiders are definitely out matched. Not to say they can't win, because any team can beat anybody, but the Raiders are far and away the underdogs.

Also, keep in mind we were missing Webb and other players so that hurt us against the Chargers

[wayne]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1336515879' post='1074197']


Lets don't make this a smack filled debate. Just make your case or ignore the post.

This Raiders offense has a chance to be one of the best offenses in the league next year. (not good to lose your best pass rusher)

The raiders will be running an offense very similiar to the texans.( stretch zone blocking system- Wco offense)

It starts up front with the oline. Only 25 sacks given up and they upgraded and this oline as it was specifically made to play in this system. LT Jared Veldheer 6'8 325( many pro bowl in his future) LG Tony Bergstrom 6'5 315 C Stephan wisniewski 6'3 315 Rg Mike Briesiel 6'5 300 Rt Khalif barnes 6'5 325 / Joe Barksdale 6'5 325

As you well know The Texans offense throws alot of passes to it Rbs and Te's. Raiders have an abundance of weapons. A very deep Rb committee .( Dmc, Taiwan Jones and Mike goodson) - Anyone of these rb's touch it whether it's a pass or run they are capable of taking it to the house from anywhere. FB Marcel reece 6'3 245 4.45 speed (a unique weapon as he really a wr playing FB) again he capable of scoring from anywhere) Now the TEs Raiders have two 6'4 265 Te's David ausberry (get him in your Fantasy football league) 4.5 speed (legitimate Wr skills) and R Gordon who has 4.63 speed more a blocker but he has the speed to threathen a secondary also. That not counting T Pryor 6'5 240 4.38 who could play some Te if he the third string Qb.

Now the fastest Wr corp in the Nfl. ( J Ford, Denarius Moore and Dhb) with the best deep passer in the game (carson Plamer) Throw in Juron Criner 6'3 220 and eddie Mcgee 6'4 220 to do the dirty work- poissessin guys / red zone threats.

There is just too many weapons on offense for a defense to handle. Stretch that Raven defense out big time. Wr's going down the field. The Oline stretching that big Ravens dline out as The Raiders Rbs can get the corner anytime they want against any defense. .
Takie away the run. Big deal they just start using those rb's and te in the passing game. The Ravens start to cheaT up the Raiders just run right past that ravens secondary.

This Raider offense no joke and has so much more weapons than the Chargers offense. You have two Te's that can threathen a secondary it not good for many 3-4 defense.. Thats not even counting rookie Derek carrier (backup probably to reece) He a 6'3 240 wr with 4.51 speed. Speed kils.
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If speed kills, what has happened to y'all in all the other previous years? Al Davis ( ( RIP ) always gets the fastest players out of the draft like he drafting for Madden and it still doesn't equate to anything for y'all. Its not just about speed, but you have to have talent with that speed. There has been plenty of track stars that have been below average players in the league, plenty. You can have all the speed in the world like the Raiders have had the last past 7+ years and if you don't have talent to go with it, it means nothing.

Lol at stating 40 times like that really means something, you must be a noob to footballLOL!

[admartian]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1336515879' post='1074197']
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You have to have a QB that can throw more than 18 yards downfield and not result in 3-4 ints a game first.


Please don't make it predictable and try and 'comeback' with a Flacco-bash. As much as he needs to improve, we know that he can drive downfield and make pretty much any throw.

Including ones past 10 yards!

[Ravenslifer]

As much as I hate doing this, I predict that we will start off well next year. We face Cinci, Philly, Cleveland, and New England, and aside from DeMeco Ryans I don't see how a bunch of teams that had poor run defenses last year improved over the off season. I think we should be able to establish the run against all 4 teams, and usually when we do that good things happen.

[doc108]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1336517983' post='1074222']
During the Regular Season he had a very good game throwing for over 300 yards, despite throwing 0 tds and 1 int. And during the playoffs he was spot on and would have picked your secondary apart had he not been running for his life. Flacco has your secondary, he just needs his line to hold up longer, and seeing as you lost Mario, and I'm betting Flacco steps up his game to beat the pressure, I see him having another field day meaning high yardage totals. Flacco will rarely throw for 3+ Tds, heck even 2+ Tds because we mostly run the ball in the red zone and stress not turning the ball over. But Flacco can throw all around and over you guys if kept upright.
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Yeah maybe the problem is he will be running for his life. That's not an excuse. It's part of the game. Any NFL quarterback would pick apart any NFL secondary given the time. That's what our defense is built on. Pressure on the QB.We don't need an elite secondary. We have a shutdown corner an okay number two a great safety and an okay safety. Not terrible. But we don't need an elite secondary.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='doc108' timestamp='1336526733' post='1074527']
Yeah maybe the problem is he will be running for his life. That's not an excuse. It's part of the game. Any NFL quarterback would pick apart any NFL secondary given the time. That's what our defense is built on. Pressure on the QB.We don't need an elite secondary. We have a shutdown corner an okay number two a great safety and an okay safety. Not terrible. But we don't need an elite secondary.
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Regarding our match-up, I want to make a few points.

I like the Ravens match-up against the Texans for a few reasons. The reasons may not be what you think.

1.) Our offensive line is much improved. We have drafted a future center, and very strong interior guard, McKinnie will have another year in our system with a full offseason to get in shape and build chemistry with our young guys. Whoever holds the right side will be given a full offseason to learn it and get accustomed to it. I like this offensive line a lot this year. You have some very nice pass-rushers there, and a very nice rookie as well. Overall, an excellent front 7. I think that we will be able to take advantage of it this year and come out with a very hard-fought win, though.
2.) Our running backs are improved. While Ray Rice is our #1 RB, I believe Pierce will get those TDs Rice could not against your defense, especially with a more improved offensive line.
3.) Our wide receivers will be more polished. I know you have Andre Johnson, but I don't like the rookie WRs your team selected to be quite honest. You also have Walter, but I feel like we can shut him down. That leaves Foster of course as a wild card, but I think we can contain him with our LBs.
4.) Our quarterback. I've never liked Schaub his entire career and I won't start now. I think Flacco has an advantage on him and I believe Flacco is on the rise whereas I see Schaub as having reached his potential. I have seen small steps from Flacco every year, and I expect to see a very big step this year.
5.) Our secondary is led by Ed Reed, Bernard Pollard, Jimmy Smith, and Lardarius Webb. Throw in Cary Williams and you have a very tough secondary that I like going against your WRs. We will be physical and the Texans will know it.
6.) Your offensive line has weakened. You've lost your FB, RT, RG. You've fortunately retained your center, but your entire right side will be new or players that were depth the year before. It is much harder to replace bookend tackles than it is to replace interior linemen, and I feel that the Texans offensive line will not be what it was the year before.

These are the reasons I feel the Ravens will win in week 7. I'm not being cocky here. I do think this will be a tough game, and if I've given you the impression it won't be I would be deceiving you. I just think the Ravens are talented enough to make it a win, though a LOT can change between now and then. I am basing this off of an ideal scenario. Anyone can be injured at any time. But under ideal circumstances, I believe the Ravens would win even in your house.

[doc108]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1336527815' post='1074572']
Regarding our match-up, I want to make a few points.

I like the Ravens match-up against the Texans for a few reasons. The reasons may not be what you think.

1.) Our offensive line is much improved. We have drafted a future center, and very strong interior guard, McKinnie will have another year in our system with a full offseason to get in shape and build chemistry with our young guys. Whoever holds the right side will be given a full offseason to learn it and get accustomed to it. I like this offensive line a lot this year. You have some very nice pass-rushers there, and a very nice rookie as well. Overall, an excellent front 7. I think that we will be able to take advantage of it this year and come out with a very hard-fought win, though.
2.) Our running backs are improved. While Ray Rice is our #1 RB, I believe Pierce will get those TDs Rice could not against your defense, especially with a more improved offensive line.
3.) Our wide receivers will be more polished. I know you have Andre Johnson, but I don't like the rookie WRs your team selected to be quite honest. You also have Walter, but I feel like we can shut him down. That leaves Foster of course as a wild card, but I think we can contain him with our LBs.
4.) Our quarterback. I've never liked Schaub his entire career and I won't start now. I think Flacco has an advantage on him and I believe Flacco is on the rise whereas I see Schaub as having reached his potential. I have seen small steps from Flacco every year, and I expect to see a very big step this year.
5.) Our secondary is led by Ed Reed, Bernard Pollard, Jimmy Smith, and Lardarius Webb. Throw in Cary Williams and you have a very tough secondary that I like going against your WRs. We will be physical and the Texans will know it.
6.) Your offensive line has weakened. You've lost your FB, RT, RG. You've fortunately retained your center, but your entire right side will be new or players that were depth the year before. It is much harder to replace bookend tackles than it is to replace interior linemen, and I feel that the Texans offensive line will not be what it was the year before.

These are the reasons I feel the Ravens will win in week 7. I'm not being cocky here. I do think this will be a tough game, and if I've given you the impression it won't be I would be deceiving you. I just think the Ravens are talented enough to make it a win, though a LOT can change between now and then. I am basing this off of an ideal scenario. Anyone can be injured at any time. But under ideal circumstances, I believe the Ravens would win even in your house.
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I don't think you win the game. It's in Houston we still have a better O-line. Better RB's Andre can shred any secondary you put out there. I think it's laughable that you think Flacco is better. Schaub is a top 7 QB. Flacco isn't top 10. Nothing about your D is really better especially with the loss of Suggs. Butler stepped in at LT for 4 games and did very well. At LT right tackle is much easier. And Caldwell started in 2010 Foster's best year and he played half the snaps against you in the playoffs. I don' think adding a 2nd string RB will change much. Texans win we just have the better team. Not trolling you guys however that's my opinion.

[doc108]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1336527815' post='1074572']
Regarding our match-up, I want to make a few points.

I like the Ravens match-up against the Texans for a few reasons. The reasons may not be what you think.

1.) Our offensive line is much improved. We have drafted a future center, and very strong interior guard, McKinnie will have another year in our system with a full offseason to get in shape and build chemistry with our young guys. Whoever holds the right side will be given a full offseason to learn it and get accustomed to it. I like this offensive line a lot this year. You have some very nice pass-rushers there, and a very nice rookie as well. Overall, an excellent front 7. I think that we will be able to take advantage of it this year and come out with a very hard-fought win, though.
2.) Our running backs are improved. While Ray Rice is our #1 RB, I believe Pierce will get those TDs Rice could not against your defense, especially with a more improved offensive line.
3.) Our wide receivers will be more polished. I know you have Andre Johnson, but I don't like the rookie WRs your team selected to be quite honest. You also have Walter, but I feel like we can shut him down. That leaves Foster of course as a wild card, but I think we can contain him with our LBs.
4.) Our quarterback. I've never liked Schaub his entire career and I won't start now. I think Flacco has an advantage on him and I believe Flacco is on the rise whereas I see Schaub as having reached his potential. I have seen small steps from Flacco every year, and I expect to see a very big step this year.
5.) Our secondary is led by Ed Reed, Bernard Pollard, Jimmy Smith, and Lardarius Webb. Throw in Cary Williams and you have a very tough secondary that I like going against your WRs. We will be physical and the Texans will know it.
6.) Your offensive line has weakened. You've lost your FB, RT, RG. You've fortunately retained your center, but your entire right side will be new or players that were depth the year before. It is much harder to replace bookend tackles than it is to replace interior linemen, and I feel that the Texans offensive line will not be what it was the year before.

These are the reasons I feel the Ravens will win in week 7. I'm not being cocky here. I do think this will be a tough game, and if I've given you the impression it won't be I would be deceiving you. I just think the Ravens are talented enough to make it a win, though a LOT can change between now and then. I am basing this off of an ideal scenario. Anyone can be injured at any time. But under ideal circumstances, I believe the Ravens would win even in your house.
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I don't think you win the game. It's in Houston we still have a better O-line. Better RB's Andre can shred any secondary you put out there. I think it's laughable that you think Flacco is better. Schaub is a top 7 QB. Flacco isn't top 10. Nothing about your D is really better especially with the loss of Suggs. Butler stepped in at LT for 4 games and did very well. At LT right tackle is much easier. And Caldwell started in 2010 Foster's best year and he played half the snaps against you in the playoffs. I don' think adding a 2nd string RB will change much. Texans win we just have the better team. Not trolling you guys however that's my opinion.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='doc108' timestamp='1336530401' post='1074658']
I don't think you win the game. It's in Houston we still have a better O-line. Better RB's Andre can shred any secondary you put out there. I think it's laughable that you think Flacco is better. Schaub is a top 7 QB. Flacco isn't top 10. Nothing about your D is really better especially with the loss of Suggs. Butler stepped in at LT for 4 games and did very well. At LT right tackle is much easier. And Caldwell started in 2010 Foster's best year and he played half the snaps against you in the playoffs. I don' think adding a 2nd string RB will change much. Texans win we just have the better team. Not trolling you guys however that's my opinion.
[/quote]
That's fine. Your comments don't bother me. I don't think you're a troll or anything. You have some very good opinions and I generally like the Texans (except that they seem to draft similar players as we do...jerks). I wouldn't expect you to come here and say the Ravens would win, anyway! Lol.

As for Flacco, I don't want to turn this thread into something it's not (things get crazy around here regarding where Flacco ranks...) but I personally think Flacco is better than Schaub. That's just my opinion, though. I believe Flacco will show you why this year, too. In Houston when we win

[doc108]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1336530667' post='1074671']
That's fine. Your comments don't bother me. I don't think you're a troll or anything. You have some very good opinions and I generally like the Texans (except that they seem to draft similar players as we do...jerks). I wouldn't expect you to come here and say the Ravens would win, anyway! Lol.

As for Flacco, I don't want to turn this thread into something it's not (things get crazy around here regarding where Flacco ranks...) but I personally think Flacco is better than Schaub. That's just my opinion, though. I believe Flacco will show you why this year, too. In Houston when we win
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That week will be fun. Good to have a real discussion instead of the trashtalk with division rivals (fun sometimes but not always). Looking forward to it.

[gabefergy]

Texans have yet to beat the Ravens, ever. I don't see that trend changing. Houston took a step backwards this offseason.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1336515879' post='1074197']
Lets don't make this a smack filled debate. Just make your case or ignore the post.

This Raiders offense has a chance to be one of the best offenses in the league next year. (not good to lose your best pass rusher) [/quote]

Lol. Of course they have the "chance" to be. Everyone does. But they won't be.

[quote]The raiders will be running an offense very similiar to the texans.( stretch zone blocking system- Wco offense) [/quote]

The Texans? That team that's never defeated the Ravens? Ever? A strong statement.

[quote]It starts up front with the oline. Only 25 sacks given up and they upgraded and this oline as it was specifically made to play in this system. LT Jared Veldheer 6'8 325( many pro bowl in his future) LG Tony Bergstrom 6'5 315 C Stephan wisniewski 6'3 315 Rg Mike Briesiel 6'5 300 Rt Khalif barnes 6'5 325 / Joe Barksdale 6'5 325[/quote]

Sorry, who? When you name drop, its generally a good idea to include people who have, you know, actually accomplished something. Leave it to a Raiders fan to ignore production and list physical attributes though. Are you going to list your WR's 40-times as well?

[quote]As you well know The Texans offense throws alot of passes to it Rbs and Te's. Raiders have an abundance of weapons. A very deep Rb committee .( Dmc, Taiwan Jones and Mike goodson) - Anyone of these rb's touch it whether it's a pass or run they are capable of taking it to the house from anywhere. FB Marcel reece 6'3 245 4.45 speed (a unique weapon as he really a wr playing FB) again he capable of scoring from anywhere)[/quote]

Wow! Way to one-up me. Not the WR, TE, or RB 40 times but the FULLBACKS. He's definitely going to get a bunch of touches.

DMC is going to go down in the first 8 games like he does every other season until he can learn not to run upright and you lost Michael Bush. You have a bunch of nobodies in the backfield.

[quote]Now the TEs Raiders have two 6'4 265 Te's David ausberry (get him in your Fantasy football league) 4.5 speed (legitimate Wr skills) and R Gordon who has 4.63 speed more a blocker but he has the speed to threathen a secondary also. That not counting T Pryor 6'5 240 4.38 who could play some Te if he the third string Qb.[/quote]

More 40 times. Nice. You guys have consistently downgraded at TE. From Miller to Boss to this guy.

[quote]Now the fastest Wr corp in the Nfl. ( J Ford, Denarius Moore and Dhb) [b] with the best deep passer in the game (carson Plamer) [/b]Throw in Juron Criner 6'3 220 and eddie Mcgee 6'4 220 to do the dirty work- poissessin guys / red zone threats. [/quote]

I actually physically laughed out loud. Carson can barely get the ball 20 yards anymore, and was a total waste of your draft. Also, nobody cares how fast your WR's can run. You've been drafting fast people for years but none of them can do anything but run and it shows on the field. Not sure how pairing speed with a weak velocity arm is going to help you either.

[quote]There is just too many weapons on offense for a defense to handle. Stretch that Raven defense out big time. Wr's going down the field. The Oline stretching that big Ravens dline out as The Raiders Rbs can get the corner anytime they want against any defense. .Takie away the run. Big deal they just start using those rb's and te in the passing game. The Ravens start to cheaT up the Raiders just run right past that ravens secondary. [/quote]

Yeah. There's just no way the Ravens know how to defend against their own run blocking scheme, especially since their offense is run by better personnel at just about every position.

[quote]This Raider offense no joke and has so much more weapons than the Chargers offense. You have two Te's that can threathen a secondary it not good for many 3-4 defense.. Thats not even counting rookie Derek carrier (backup probably to reece) He a 6'3 240 wr with 4.51 speed. Speed kils.
[/quote]

The Raiders offense has fewer weapons then [i]this years' [/i]Chargers offense, let alone last years, and the quarterback throwing to them isn't anything close to Phillip Rivers. I'd almost say I can't believe you actually think your team is this good after they consistently fail to produce ANYTHING on the field in a weak division, but you're a Raiders fan. The best defense in the NFL is going to smash you to bits, you're outmanned at, like, literally every position.

[doc108]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1336531260' post='1074690']
Texans have yet to beat the Ravens, ever. I don't see that trend changing. Houston took a step backwards this offseason.
[/quote]
Not really.
still have a strong O-line and what changed about our D. A MLB who didn't play even 60% of the snaps.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='doc108' timestamp='1336532617' post='1074721']

Not really.
still have a strong O-line and what changed about our D. A MLB who didn't play even 60% of the snaps.
[/quote]
How do you know you still have a strong Oline? You lost 2 starters. I also think losing Joel Dreesen is significant. Ryans I agree wasn't that great, but you have 2 rookie WRs now and the running game may not be as strong as it was last season.

[doc108]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1336532816' post='1074728']
How do you know you still have a strong Oline? You lost 2 starters. I also think losing Joel Dreesen is significant. Ryans I agree wasn't that great, but you have 2 rookie WRs now and the running game may not be as strong as it was last season.
[/quote]
Well Caldwell started in 2010 Foster's best year and he played half of the game against you. As for Butler he filled in well as a LT for Dane Brown last year and RT is easier. Not worried.

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1336531495' post='1074699']
Lol. Of course they have the "chance" to be. Everyone does. But they won't be.



The Texans? That team that's never defeated the Ravens? Ever? A strong statement.



Sorry, who? When you name drop, its generally a good idea to include people who have, you know, actually accomplished something. Leave it to a Raiders fan to ignore production and list physical attributes though. Are you going to list your WR's 40-times as well?



Wow! Way to one-up me. Not the WR, TE, or RB 40 times but the FULLBACKS. He's definitely going to get a bunch of touches.

DMC is going to go down in the first 8 games like he does every other season until he can learn not to run upright and you lost Michael Bush. You have a bunch of nobodies in the backfield.



More 40 times. Nice. You guys have consistently downgraded at TE. From Miller to Boss to this guy.



I actually physically laughed out loud. Carson can barely get the ball 20 yards anymore, and was a total waste of your draft. Also, nobody cares how fast your WR's can run. You've been drafting fast people for years but none of them can do anything but run and it shows on the field. Not sure how pairing speed with a weak velocity arm is going to help you either.



Yeah. There's just no way the Ravens know how to defend against their own run blocking scheme, especially since their offense is run by better personnel at just about every position.



The Raiders offense has fewer weapons then [i]this years' [/i]Chargers offense, let alone last years, and the quarterback throwing to them isn't anything close to Phillip Rivers. I'd almost say I can't believe you actually think your team is this good after they consistently fail to produce ANYTHING on the field in a weak division, but you're a Raiders fan. The best defense in the NFL is going to smash you to bits, you're outmanned at, like, literally every position.
[/quote]


haha i was cracking up at every angle.. this guy has NO idea what he is talking about haha so many 40 times trolololololololololololololol

[usmccharles]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1336515879' post='1074197']
Lets don't make this a smack filled debate. Just make your case or ignore the post.
[b]I didnt realize i did, but noted. [/b]

This Raiders offense has a chance to be one of the best offenses in the league next year. (not good to lose your best pass rusher) [b]And we dont?[/b]

will be running an offense very similiar to the texans.( stretch zone blocking system- Wco offense) [b]Yea, um, we beat the texans...they have better qb, rb, defense, and an elite wr than you guys.[/b]


the fastest Wr corp in the Nfl. ( J Ford, Denarius Moore and Dhb) [color=#ff0000][b]with the best deep passer in the game (carson Plamer)[/b][/color] Throw in Juron Criner 6'3 220 and eddie Mcgee 6'4 220 to do the dirty work- poissessin guys / red zone threats. [b] I honestly dont know if this was sarcasm or not, he wouldnt even be the best deep passer in the game against the Ravens, let alone in the league. This statement was alarming to me, but i kept reading for some reason. Good WRs with a lot of potential, but speed doesnt mean everything, you should know this from your past drafts and how well those players panned out[/b]

There is just too many weapons on offense for a defense to handle. Stretch that Raven defense out big time. Wr's going down the field. The Oline stretching that big Ravens dline out as The Raiders Rbs can get the corner anytime they want against any defense. .
Takie away the run. Big deal they just start using those rb's and te in the passing game. The Ravens start to cheaT up the Raiders just run right past that ravens secondary. [b]We kept the Pats in check, with all their weapons, what makes you think we cant keep you guys in check? Run the ball on us, good luck. [/b]


This Raider offense no joke and has so much more weapons than the Chargers offense. You have two Te's that can threathen a secondary it not good for many 3-4 defense.. Thats not even counting rookie Derek carrier (backup probably to reece) He a 6'3 240 wr with 4.51 speed. Speed kils. [b]You list the size of players like that makes them better, yes it gives them potential but they still have to produce. You make no real valid points other than saying, "we have a fast team" and you are right...speed does kill, its killed your roster for years with lackluster production and now thats all you have to rely on? sorry but ill take a slower, fundementally sound player any day over a 4.3 40 guy from your team, insert anquan boldin. [/b]

[/quote]

You also didnt adress two important factors

What is your defense going to do to keep our offense in check? I was to play your game and list size and speed id have only two words for you: Tommy Streeter. But speed doesnt mean everything and you need fundementals. You should be more concerened about how your defense is gonna handle our offense than what our defense can do to stop your offense.

This a home game for us, we dont lose at home, good luck

[BuckinRavenstown]

[b]Week 1[/b]: vs Bengals; [b]Win[/b]- Wont lose at home in the opener
[b]Week 2[/b]: @ Eagles; [b]Loss [/b]- Just not sure Vick can be contained with Suggs out...hope Im wrong
[b]Week 3[/b]: vs. Patriots; [b]Win[/b]- Brady finally feels the pain...damn shame Suggs wont be chasing him down
[b]Week 4[/b]: vs. Browns; [b]Win[/b]- Big mouth Richardson gets his wish...he meets Ray Lewis
[b]Week 5[/b]: @ Kansas City; [b]Win[/b]- Cassle just cant get it done
[b]Week 6[/b]: vs. Cowboys; [b]Win[/b]- At home...shoot out at the OK Corral...Flacco vs. Romo
[b]Week 7[/b]: @ Texans; [b]Loss[/b]- If Shaub is on and Andre hasnt blown another hammy, this game could get ugly
[b]Week 8[/b]: bye
[b]Week 9[/b]: @ Browns; [b]Win[/b]- We're still talking about the Browns here
[b]Week 10[/b]: vs. Raiders; [b]Win[/b]- Palmer isnt the same guy
[b]Week 11[/b]: @ Steelers; [b]Loss[/b]- I dont think we sweep them this season...this one goes to the bumblebees
[b]Week 12[/b]: @ Chargers; [b]Loss[/b]- Beat up coming out of Pitts. and a long flight to the west coast doesnt bode well
[b]Week 13[/b]: vs. Steelers; [b]Win[/b]- Suggs is back and in full swing...Ben goes down
[b]Week 14[/b]: @ Redskins; [b]Win[/b]- HAHA...really?
[b]Week 15[/b]: vs. Broncos; [b]Win[/b]- Manning doesnt have all his weapons in Denver...finally get revenge
[b]Week 16[/b]: vs. Giants; [b]Win [/b]- Baltimore vs NY = wins...its a fact and in the history books
[b]Week 17[/b]: @ Bengals; [b]Win [/b]- Still not ready for prime time

Wow, I have the Ravens going 13-3 but my optimism has no bounds. I will settle for 12-4

[wayne]

We are going to beat the Chargers this season, remember I said it.

[1/28/01]

12-4

No idea where the losses are, but Im throwing out a 12-4 (which I say every single year)

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1336685798' post='1075901']
We are going to beat the Chargers this season, remember I said it.
[/quote]im with you on that