Predict Our Record

[SideStep77]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1336410617' post='1073355']


This.
This is why we never will get respect untill we change it and i dont blame people for saying it. Look at our losses last year:chargers, seahawks, jags, titans. Not one was a playoff team, winning just one of those games would of changed our season last year i bet.
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Yes we could have at least gotten the #1 so we would have beaten stupid Tom Brady at home.

[RavensAllTheWay]

I'm gonna say 13-3. Yeah we have a lot to overcome, but I think our young guns really step up on both sides of the ball, and the ST can't be much worse than it was last year, can it?

[ratedr]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1336409710' post='1073336']


I've been tying to tell people last year with a hurt Peyton we had an all time easy schedule, Nfc west and afc south. The only divisional team they beat were the Browns. They did beat the Texans and Niners but that was after Schaub had gone down and then got dominated by them in the playoffs. With nothing but good teams on our schedule I see us flourishing and them maybe going 9-7 again. Ravens always seem to play up or down to competition.
[/quote]Cincy lost to both Houston (twice, @Cincy AND @Houston, Yates starting both times) and SF last year. They didn't beat a single team with a winning record.

[ratedr]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1336406488' post='1073285']

i'll quote you on it because I acutally have money on the Bengals winning the Battle of Ohio. Just for the record they are 5-1 over the last 3 years. Anyway I wouldnt be so hard on the Bengals. They had a very similar schedule to us last year and 4 of their seven loses came to the Ravens and the Steelers (the elite of the elite in terms of defense) and remember they played us to within 1 score each time and were one play away from tying it 2x. You have to give them a bit more respect than saying thats a fluke.

As for KC, I dont see them losing to KC. You're taking a top 10 defense against a middle of the pack defense - Bengals win there. After the draft, the Bengals have more offensive weapons than the chiefs do. You could make the case that Dalton is better than Cassel, but i'll give you a push here.
[/quote]Cincy always plays us close regardless of how good is bad they are, just like Cleveland always plays Cincy close, regardless of how good or bad they are. So how Cincy does against us honestly doesn't tell me much about the team.

@KC is a historically tough place to play. And just because Cincy had a "good draft" doesnt suddenly make them elite. Rookies are still rookies. KC had a much improved defense under Romeo Crennel, and it should only get better with the return of Berry. KC has the advantage at RB, and I'd say that their WR group as a whole is better than Cincy's, though of course Green is better than anyone on KC. Dalton/Cassel is a push, I agree.

[gabefergy]

Somewhere in the range of 11-5 to 13-3. I think we do win the division again even though we have a tougher schedule. Rice is not going to hold out and I think Flacco has a break-out season. Maybe this is a bold prediction, but I think our offense will be top 10 this season. Our defense will remain in the top 5.

[Blex64]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1336393088' post='1073142']
i see 10-6 or 9-7. I just think our luck runs out this year, we have been very lucky and have made the playoffs the last 4 years in a row, longest active streak currently. Brutal schedule, losing suggs, didnt make a drastic improvement on offense with a playmaker: unless Torrey becomes a elite wr and has a monster year....i just dont see it this year. If suggs didnt go down id say 11-5
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11-5 with Suggs? Yeah, its totally luck that's having us be this dominant.

13-3. Haters gonna hate. There was no legitimate reason for us not to have been 19-0 last season.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1336412228' post='1073388']
11-5 with Suggs? Yeah, its totally [b]luck[/b] that's having us be this dominant.

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I didnt mean actual luck as in we didnt deserve it, just things went good for us. It not like im saying we dont stand a chance, i just see us having a drop off...i wouldnt be shocked if we missed the playoffs honestly

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1336411408' post='1073373']
Cincy always plays us close regardless of how good is bad they are, just like Cleveland always plays Cincy close, regardless of how good or bad they are. So how Cincy does against us honestly doesn't tell me much about the team.

@KC is a historically tough place to play. And just because Cincy had a "good draft" doesnt suddenly make them elite. Rookies are still rookies. KC had a much improved defense under Romeo Crennel, and it should only get better with the return of Berry. KC has the advantage at RB, and I'd say that their WR group as a whole is better than Cincy's, though of course Green is better than anyone on KC. Dalton/Cassel is a push, I agree.
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you obv didnt read what I said I just said they had more weapons on offense. The only weapon on that offense outside of Charles who is coming off an acl surgery (who knows how good he will be) is Bowe. As of now I think cincy's receiving weapons are much better than KC's. I didnt say that Cincy was elite just that defensively they had a top 10 defense. As good as KC is under Crennel, I doubt it will be better defensively than an afc north team. Don't forget Cincy also had some big injuries early - namely Leon Hall. Also KC's advantage at rb is somewhat mitigated by the fact that Cincy has a top 5/10 (dont wanta look it up but I think its closer to 5 than 10) run defense. It will not be easy to run the ball.

Before you say that they didnt beat an opponent with a winning record. Just to drop some knowledge on you, the only teams with winning records this season were playoff teams. What does that tell you? That just means the league is getting much more evenly matched. 8-8 wasnt a bad record last season when 9-7 meant playoffs.

Also Green and Dalton were rookies and they played us close. This shouldnt happen especially not to a top 3 defense like ours. So them playing us close does matter and rookies as much as they are just rookies do make a difference and contribute. You cant just brush them aside and not factor them in.

[bpytnjr58]

There are no "Cupcakes" on the schedule this year to play down to so i will say 13-3.

[PurpleDrink]

9-7......Just how I feel atm.

Btw everybody we play this year has something to prove, not going to be a cakewalk this year.

[redrum52]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1336410946' post='1073364']
Cincy lost to both Houston (twice, @Cincy AND @Houston, Yates starting both times) and SF last year. They didn't beat a single team with a winning record.
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I knew I should've checked the schedule. My friend who likes the Bengals but he's a giants fan said they beat em and I just went off that. I said thy had lost but he said thy won... Never mine, the Bengals finish as a 6-8 win team. Browns will steal one against em this year. This is a team I was worried about, I'm ashamed of myself. Let me also add though they beat the then undefeated Bills they all gave the broncos their lone win til Tebow time.

[SideStep77]

Maybe it will be better for us playing playoff caliber teams. We tend to play better, more motivated. The only game we lost were to below .500 teams.

[atlravensfan]

On the replace suggs thread I got killed for saying we shouldn't over value back ups over proven vets. I read this thread and everyone predicting 10-6 and 9-7. So which is it?

Anyway I think the years of not finding a serious weapon (thank God for Smith and RICE) has really stunted the growth of Joe. I think it really shows this season when we will be behind a lot of games on our schedule. I predict a lot more shout outs where we don't come out on top unless Joe does have 250 to 350 with 3 touchdowns and he hasn't shown the consistency to do that. I say 9-7

[Bltravens]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336414120' post='1073418']
On the replace suggs thread I got killed for saying we shouldn't over value back ups over proven vets. I read this thread and everyone predicting 10-6 and 9-7. So which is it?

Anyway I think the years of not finding a serious weapon (thank God for Smith and RICE) has really stunted the growth of Joe. I think it really shows this season when we will be behind a lot of games on our schedule. I predict a lot more shout outs where we don't come out on top unless Joe does have 250 to 350 with 3 touchdowns and he hasn't shown the consistency to do that. I say 9-7
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No, you were saying we go with the "next man up" motto here. When we clearly have no other option, trading for a guy who can pass rush is not going to be cheap and its completely pointless considering Suggs will be back next season at the latest.

[Suggs Package]

10-6. I think 10-6 will be good enough to still win the division still this year. The difference between last year and this year is with Dallas, NE, Cincin, Oakland, Pitt, Denver, and NYG, we don't really have any cupcake games at home. I think we'll go 4-4 away and 6-2 at home.

Of course I hope I'm wrong though and we go 19-0.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1336414322' post='1073419']

No, you were saying we go with the "next man up" motto here. When we clearly have no other option, trading for a guy who can pass rush is not going to be cheap and its completely pointless considering Suggs will be back next season at the latest.
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Well I read the posts and people said we will be fine next man up. Then I read this thread and its 9-7? (Moving my hands left and right) you don't see the correlation with what I am saying?.

But yeah on the debate team in high school and college just found it funny that's all.

Oh and I agree we wont be able to replace suggs in free agency. A lot of.guys with these injuries don't come back at the same level.so it maybe something the team has to look at.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336414557' post='1073423']
Well I read the posts and people said we will be fine next man up. Then I read this thread and its 9-7? (Moving my hands left and right) you don't see the correlation with what I am saying?.

But yeah on the debate team in high school and college just found it funny that's all.

Oh and I agree we wont be able to replace suggs in free agency. A lot of.guys with these injuries don't come back at the same level.so it maybe something the team has to look at.
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Maybe in the future if Kruger doesn't pan out, but the front office really has no choice given the current salary cap and the fact that what we require of our OLBs doesn't grow on trees. This season is going to be learning on the fly for some guys on defense.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336414557' post='1073423']
Well I read the posts and people said we will be fine next man up. Then I read this thread and its 9-7? (Moving my hands left and right) you don't see the correlation with what I am saying?.

But yeah on the debate team in high school and college just found it funny that's all.

Oh and I agree we wont be able to replace suggs in free agency. A lot of.guys with these injuries don't come back at the same level.so it maybe something the team has to look at.
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They won't replace suggs in free agency, since pass rushers in free agency are so hard to come by. Especially in a 3-4 defense.

But it is next man up, basically we have to make the most out of what we have available, which is the young OLBs. Basically you're debating semantics over the term "next man up."

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336414557' post='1073423']
Well I read the posts and people said we will be fine next man up. Then I read this thread and its 9-7? (Moving my hands left and right) you don't see the correlation with what I am saying?.

But yeah on the debate team in high school and college just found it funny that's all.

Oh and I agree we wont be able to replace suggs in free agency. A lot of.guys with these injuries don't come back at the same level.so it maybe something the team has to look at.
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Or they come back and add a spark like Bob Sanders did for the Colts in the playoffs.

If Flacco steps up and plays like he did in the playoffs we'll be fine. No teams on our schedule are better than us on paper.

[redrum52]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336414557' post='1073423']


Well I read the posts and people said we will be fine next man up. Then I read this thread and its 9-7? (Moving my hands left and right) you don't see the correlation with what I am saying?.

But yeah on the debate team in high school and college just found it funny that's all.

Oh and I agree we wont be able to replace suggs in free agency. A lot of.guys with these injuries don't come back at the same level.so it maybe something the team has to look at.
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This could be a gift. This might force Cam to stay aggressive in games instead of crawling into the fetal position and playing possum til the clock hits 0. Anyone else sick of the o being called in halves? With a defense like ours I'm surprised we don't take more chances on offense. There are no excuses, this is a veteran team now and need to start playing like it. By that I mean winning games we should and not letting our foot off the gas.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1336415125' post='1073435']

Maybe in the future if Kruger doesn't pan out, but the front office really has no choice given the current salary cap and the fact that what we require of our OLBs doesn't grow on trees. This season is going to be learning on the fly for some guys on defense.
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I was listening to 105.7 on my phone. They said something about maybe restructuring Suggs deal. How much cap would that save us if it were at all possible?

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336416161' post='1073454']


I was listening to 105.7 on my phone. They said something about maybe restructuring Suggs deal. How much cap would that save us if it were at all possible?
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Isn't he due like 9 mil? So maybe 5-7?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336416161' post='1073454']
I was listening to 105.7 on my phone. They said something about maybe restructuring Suggs deal. How much cap would that save us if it were at all possible?
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[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1336416967' post='1073465']
Isn't he due like 9 mil? So maybe 5-7?
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His base salary is only 5M this year, so if it's restructured such that he gets 1M base salary and 4M in the form of a bonus, the cap savings would be ~2.6M for this year.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

11-5.

The brutal schedule and the lost of Suggs hurts a bit but we still have a very good secondary and Kruger provided great pass rush in being a 3rd down pass rusher and my prediction is that Upshaw becomes DROTY. Also, I think Flacco takes a step forward with Jim Caldwell in the wings and I see Torrey being even more dangerous this year.

[3-4ravdef509]

His salary is like 12 mil against the cap according to this link [url="http://www.ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Money-Clip-Baltimore-Ravens-Salary-Cap-Analysis/Salary-cap-implications-of-Terrell-Suggs-injury"]http://www.ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Money-Clip-Baltimore-Ravens-Salary-Cap-Analysis/Salary-cap-implications-of-Terrell-Suggs-injury[/url]

So I'm sure we could save more than that if we restructure it

[usmccharles]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1336415869' post='1073448']
There are no excuses, this is a veteran team now and need to start playing like it. By that I mean[b] winning games [/b]we should and not letting our foot off the gas.
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Not only winning games we should but HOW we win them....

[admartian]

10-6. Won't win the division, split against Cin and Pit plus 4 tough games lost (probably against SD again since that's sandwiched between the Pittsburgh games as well as having to go west then back east within a week.

[unbreakable22]

One thing than

[unbreakable22]

One thing that people seem to be overlooking is the NFL always changes from year to year. Roughly half the good teams this year won't live up to expectations in 2012. With that being said a schedule that was projected as 'tough' could actually be proven favorable by December, and vice versa.. Think about things like the manning Injury, an that fact that last year our schedule was projected as #31 most difficult, but we still saw something like 9 top 10 D's and 7 playoff teams. I say we go 11-5, and Flacco and the Offense step it up.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='unbreakable22' timestamp='1336422827' post='1073571']
One thing that people seem to be overlooking is the NFL always changes from year to year. Roughly half the good teams this year won't live up to expectations in 2012. With that being said a schedule that was projected as 'tough' could actually be proven favorable by December, and vice versa.. Think about things like the manning Injury, an that fact that last year our schedule was projected as #31 most difficult, but we still saw something like 9 top 10 D's and 7 playoff teams. I say we go 11-5, and Flacco and the Offense step it up.
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Right, plus the divisions we're playing have a hard schedule themselves. They're looking at their spreadsheets and seeing 3 playoff teams from the AFCN alone. I'll bet when most fans are going through the schedule, marking the hard games as losses, they're putting an L next to the Ravens game 9 times out of 10. And we're doing the same with teams like NE and Houston. Well somebody's gotta win those games.