Terrell Suggs' Salary Cap Implication

[RavensDE]

Didn't they make a change to the injured reserve rules this year that you can reactivate 1 player from the IR at week 6 or something like that? I remember hearing they made some sort of change to allow an IR player to rejoin the team but it was on ESPN radio and that was the last I heard of it. I couldn't find a "reputable source" to cite. I did find [url="http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/3/25/2901466/nfl-owner-meetings-2012-injured-reserve-rule-change-redskins-cowboys"]this [/url]and [url="http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2012/3/22/2893543/nfl-rule-changes-danny-amendola-sam-bradford-rams"]dis [/url]and [url="http://www.thephinsider.com/2012/3/23/2898501/nfl-competition-committee-recommnds-rule-changes"]dat [/url]though.

[Yatagarasu]

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Didn't they make a change to the injured reserve rules this year that you can reactivate 1 player from the IR at week 6 or something like that? I remember hearing they made some sort of change to allow an IR player to rejoin the team but it was on ESPN radio and that was the last I heard of it. I couldn't find a "reputable source" to cite. I did find [url="http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/3/25/2901466/nfl-owner-meetings-2012-injured-reserve-rule-change-redskins-cowboys"]this[/url]and [url="http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2012/3/22/2893543/nfl-rule-changes-danny-amendola-sam-bradford-rams"]dis[/url]and [url="http://www.thephinsider.com/2012/3/23/2898501/nfl-competition-committee-recommnds-rule-changes"]dat[/url]though.
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If you read the first post of the thread, then you would know it's called PUP, where he's out for the first six weeks.

[Tiz]

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If you read the first post of the thread, then you would know it's called PUP, where he's out for the first six weeks.
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The PUP is different from what is being asked. So reading the first post doesn't answer a damn thing...

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/03/new-injured-reserve-rule-would-be-a-great-move-by-the-nfl/

[RavensDE]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1336536410' post='1074768']
The PUP is different from what is being asked. So reading the first post doesn't answer a damn thing...

[url="http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/03/new-injured-reserve-rule-would-be-a-great-move-by-the-nfl/"]http://www.steelersd...ove-by-the-nfl/[/url]
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[size=5][b]Thanks for the clarification![/b][/size]

IR vs. PUP
Okay so the IR change doesn't really apply to Suggs since the IR is for players who start the season but get injured during. The PUP list is for players who do not start the season because they are already injured. The change is that players on IR have a chance to return after 8 weeks, similar to the PUP where they can return after 6 weeks. Each has a window in which players can return.

All the scenarios...
[b]Scenario1[/b]: [u]NFI for the year[/u] = no return
Suggs doesn't get paid, gets salty, but doesn't count against the cap or the 53 man roster.
[b]Scenario[/b]2: [u]NFI for 6-9weeks[/u] +return
During the time he isn't with the team Suggs won't be paid, doesn't count against the cap or the 53 man roster. When he returns he begins to get paid again, his remaining salary goes against the cap and since he is active he takes a spot on the 53 man roster. (the Ravens have to keep cap space for him)
[b]Scenario3:[/b] [u]NFI for 6-9weeks [/u]+ [u]IR[/u] = No Return
During the time he isn't with the team Suggs won't be paid, doesn't count against the cap or the 53 man roster. When he is unable to return the Ravens place him on IR and allow him a portion of his salary which is added to the cap but he remains off the 53 man roster.
[b]Scenario4[/b]: [u]IR [/u]= no return
Suggs gets paid, counts against the cap and has no chance to play but does not count against the 53 man roster.
[b]Scenario5[/b]: [u]PUP [/u]+ return
Suggs gets paid and counts against the cap, but not against the 53 man roster. At week 6 at the earliest and week 13 at the latest Suggs returns. He continues to get paid and count against the cap but also takes a spot on the 53 man roster.
[b]Scenario6[/b]: [u]PUP [/u]+ [u]IR [/u]= No Return
Suggs gets paid and counts against the cap, but not against the 53 man roster. Suggs is unable to rejoin the team and the conditions continue (paid, on cap, but not the 53)

[b][size=5][u]My Prognostication[/u][/size]
PUP - If the Ravens think he can return they will put him on the PUP list and he has to get on the active roster by week 13. If he can't get healthy by then no harm is done and he can be placed on IR or he hangs around on the 53 man roster until he is healthy. [/b]

Misc: If the Ravens believe he can't/shouldn't come back and want him to focus on rehab he'll go on IR. Not paying Suggs at all is very unlikely unless he can recoup the money through insurance or some other unknown method, but its possible Ozzie wants some discount for the injury or some more cap room to add talent in Suggs absence. If that is the case than a temporary stay on the NFI is possible (but not likely). I'm interested to see how Ozzie plays this one.

[Tiz]

The modification means they cannot put him on ir til week 1 if they expect him to return prior to end of season.
The other guy was asking about the new ir rules and instead of explaining the op came and posted like an [profanity deleted] and said read post 1

[B-more Ravor]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1336536410' post='1074768']
The PUP is different from what is being asked. So reading the first post doesn't answer a damn thing...

[url="http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/03/new-injured-reserve-rule-would-be-a-great-move-by-the-nfl/"]http://www.steelersd...ove-by-the-nfl/[/url]
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[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1336539755' post='1074800']
The modification means they cannot put him on ir til week 1 if they expect him to return prior to end of season.
The other guy was asking about the new ir rules and instead of explaining the op came and posted like an [profanity deleted] and said read post 1
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The new IR rule did not pass at the last owners' meeting, so - as of now - the only option for IR is to lose him for the entire season. They apparently may reconsider it at the next owners' meetings.

[CapoRocky]

The Ravens pride themselves as a player friendly team. I can't see them not paying Suggs during his injury time. Still, it might be beneficial PUP him during his recovery so that he could be activated to the 53 man roster by the 9th week of the season. This would have him returning for the 2nd Browns game. More importantly, he would be back at full speed by the time we travel to Pitt for the night game in week 11.

[Yatagarasu]

Remember the NFI can go along with PUP, so Suggs might lose his paycheck for the games he can't play. It's doesn't look fair that he got injured to be in top shape, but the rules are rules, and the CBA clearly states that any injuries outside the football facility is labeled as NFI. I think the Front Office is leaning towards the NFI, so we can open up some cap space to sign some players.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1337265543' post='1078806']
Remember the NFI can go along with PUP, so Suggs might lose his paycheck for the games he can't play. It's doesn't look fair that he got injured to be in top shape, but the rules are rules, and the CBA clearly states that any injuries outside the football facility is labeled as NFI. I think the Front Office is leaning towards the NFI, so we can open up some cap space to sign some players.
[/quote]what makes you think that? they havent even spoken about it yet

[berad]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1337265543' post='1078806']
Remember the NFI can go along with PUP, so Suggs might lose his paycheck for the games he can't play. It's doesn't look fair that he got injured to be in top shape, but the rules are rules, and the CBA clearly states that any injuries outside the football facility is labeled as NFI. I[b] think the Front Office is leaning towards the NFI, so we can open up some cap space to sign some players.[/b]
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I think the opposite. We know how temperamental players get about their money, stay loyal to Terrell and he'll stay loyal to you. Might inspire him to work harder whereas, if you cut his money, he may hold a grudge.

[K-Dog]

I will loose respect for the FO if they go all NFI on Suggs