Terrell Suggs' Salary Cap Implication

[Yatagarasu]

After reading this article, the Front Office has some options whether to eat Suggs' big Salary Cap ($11.52 M) or maneuver around it to save some Cap Space. This depends on this third diagnosis to see if his season is done or not. The article lists all these options below.

[b]Option 1: Place Suggs in the 53 Man Roster on Week 1[/b]
- This will make Suggs' cap count in full, however, this option is highly unlikely since Suggs' return seems to be scheduled by midseason.

[b]Option 2: Physically Unable to Perform (PUP)[/b]
With this option, Suggs is out for 6 weeks and has to be added to the roster by week 9. With this option, Suggs' cap will be fully counted against the Ravens' Salary Cap.

[b]Option 3:[/b] [b]Injured Reserve (IR)[/b]
This option means Suggs' season is done and he is still entitled to his full paycheck, thus counting against the Salary Cap in full ($11.52 M)

[b]Option 4: Non-Football Injury List (NFI)[/b]
This option is like the PUP, but Suggs doesn't get paid, thus saving some space against the Cap. Suggs' Base Salary is at $4.9 M. If Suggs is inactive for the first 6 weeks, he loses $1.729 M and could lose his whole base salary if he is on the NFI for the whole season. This option could make some bad blood between Suggs and the Ravens as he loses some of his paycheck. Since his injury was not football-related, Suggs could lose some leverage as the Ravens think about saving some space (1.729M for the first 6 weeks or $4.9M for the whole season) to sign some depth or extend other players.

I believe the Front Office will most likely choose the NFI Option to get the most out of the team to go to the Championship. If Suggs' diagnosis is not considered a full tear, which means he is done for this year and will not be the same for two years, I think placing him on NFI for 9 games weeks (The maximum he can be on PUP) would be the reasonable choice and hope he can contribute for the team late in the season, hopefully playoffs.

All credit goes to the original source.
[url="http://www.ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Money-Clip-Baltimore-Ravens-Salary-Cap-Analysis/Salary-cap-implications-of-Terrell-Suggs-injury"]http://www.ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Money-Clip-Baltimore-Ravens-Salary-Cap-Analysis/Salary-cap-implications-of-Terrell-Suggs-injury[/url]

[tonyg6996]

It looks like NFI will be the way to go, but I really doubt he comes back this year. Even if it was just a partial tear, it would be a huge risk playing again this year.

[GrimCoconut]

I am a little afraid of putting Suggs on the NFI. That will create some bad blood between him and the Ravens. I remember Suggs saying not long ago when Rice was threatening to hold out that he would do the same. I would rather not upset Suggs at this point. The injury is supposedly from him practicing for the drills or whatever, not basketball. Even if it was, things happen and it's not like he did something stupid to put himself at risk that most players don't do. Things happen and that's the way it goes. I just don't see the benefit in saving a little under $2M in cap space to possibly upset Suggs.

[BMORElegacy]

If he was playing basketball he has a lot to benefit from saying it was from training for conditioning drills. The details of how the injury occurred could very well be influenced by his agent.

[K-Dog]

yeah I am not a fan of NFI either. Espicially with Suggs saying he was training at the time.
I dont think the cap is the biggest fish on the frying pan right now any way.

[1/28/01]

Yeah, Im gonna go on record and say there is little chance hes put on the NFI list. If its even allowed on an INJURED player...

[Blex64]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1336090932' post='1071726']
Yeah, Im gonna go on record and say there is little chance hes put on the NFI list. If its even allowed on an INJURED player...
[/quote]

It is, if the injury is unrelated to football.

[Gordo52]

Until we find out if its really, really serious or not, we wont know. I hate to say it, but I have a bad feeling he'll be placed on IR.

[JO_75]

He'll be back before the end of the season, his salary is a non-issue. Pay him the $11 million on his salary.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1336093529' post='1071763']
Until we find out if its really, really serious or not, we wont know. I hate to say it, but I have a bad feeling he'll be placed on IR.
[/quote]

[url="http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/05/03/terrell-suggs-expects-to-play-in-2012/"]http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/05/03/terrell-suggs-expects-to-play-in-2012/[/url]

Assuming Suggs is right and that he'll be back that early, you just can't put him on IR. Even if he comes back later he's worth keeping off IR because of the impact he'd have once back.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1336093973' post='1071767']
[url="http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/05/03/terrell-suggs-expects-to-play-in-2012/"]http://blogs.baltimo...o-play-in-2012/[/url]

Assuming Suggs is right and that he'll be back that early, you just can't put him on IR. Even if he comes back later he's worth keeping off IR because of the impact he'd have once back.
[/quote]
True, if we have a bye come playoff time (Unrealistic though) and he is back for the playoffs, we could make a huge run

[Gordo52]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1336093973' post='1071767']
[url="http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/05/03/terrell-suggs-expects-to-play-in-2012/"]http://blogs.baltimo...o-play-in-2012/[/url]

Assuming Suggs is right and that he'll be back that early, you just can't put him on IR. Even if he comes back later he's worth keeping off IR because of the impact he'd have once back.
[/quote]
I'd rather him be fully healthy before he steps out on the field. For his health, and for his career.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1336097181' post='1071793']
I'd rather him be fully healthy before he steps out on the field. For his health, and for his career.
[/quote]
Indeed. I don't want Suggs back until he is 120%.

[Shammy]

i just dont see how he tore it just going thru drills .. did he get outta shape ?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Shammy' timestamp='1336100067' post='1071829']
i just dont see how he tore it just going thru drills .. did he get outta shape ?
[/quote]
It has nothing to do with conditioning. In fact, too much exercise with too little rest could have done it. Maybe he was pushing himself too hard.

[gabefergy]

I would say there is about 0.001% chance Suggs is placed on the Nfl.

[tctony]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1336099418' post='1071816']
Indeed. I don't want Suggs back until he is 120%.
[/quote]

Thats not how percentages work.

[tonyg6996]

I realize that the NFI could upset Suggs and I don't want that obviously. I love the guy. But football is a business. If it is a full tear, and we can save $5 mil towards the cap in order to get some depth to help fill his spot, he may have to accept that.

Now I'm not saying I think this will happen, just that it would be the best decision for our football team.

[PDO]

NFI is just asking for bad blood.

Ray Rice is going to be pissed off, but if it's just one guy (and the Ravens have a history of franchsing guys), no big deal.

Piss off Sizzle, and all of a sudden 2 of the big dressing room guys are pissed at the org.

Hell no.

Seems asinine to me that teams have to chose like this.

[B-more Ravor]

The only way that I think NFI would become a possibility is if he was actually hurt playing basketball - as originally reported - and the team had warned him not to. Not saying that that's the case, but if it was - and he violated his contract and the expressed direction of the team - then maybe they consider it. I would agree that it's unlikely, even then, but if the team were to be "mad" enough, it could become a possibility.

That, or the team and Suggs could agree to a lesser salary instead of going the NFI route (not that I would expect that either).

[Bltravens]

[quote name='tonyg6996' timestamp='1336108742' post='1071881']
I realize that the NFI could upset Suggs and I don't want that obviously. I love the guy. But football is a business. If it is a full tear, and we can save $5 mil towards the cap in order to get some depth to help fill his spot, he may have to accept that.

Now I'm not saying I think this will happen, just that it would be the best decision for our football team.
[/quote]
It won't happen. We're rolling with our young cats. Don't need to spend extra cash on a guy who won't be with the organization next year. It makes no sense.

[usmccharles]

Any injury that a player sustains training on their own is a NFI, it doesnt matter if he was playying basketball or running a 40.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1336157497' post='1072132']
Any injury that a player sustains training on their own is a NFI, it doesnt matter if he was playying basketball or running a 40.
[/quote]the point he was getting at regards Bball is that in suggs contract he is prohibted from it. they wont put him on nfi if he was running for a condidting test, but they may seriously consider it if he was playing bball because it would have been breaking his contract

[usmccharles]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336158127' post='1072139']
the point he was getting at regards Bball is that in suggs contract he is prohibted from it. they wont put him on nfi if he was running for a condidting test, but they may seriously consider it if he was playing bball because it would have been breaking his contract
[/quote]

touch'e

[Suggs Package]

I'm surprised the NFLPA allowed the NFI list to be set up like this. Teams put pressure on you to stay in shape during the off-season, then when you get injured trying to stay in shape, you lose your salary. If you come to training camp out of shape, you're called lazy. Letting yourself get in and out of shape constantly is unhealthy and dangerous.

Either teams should provide supervision for every player during the off-season or modify the NFI rules to only punish those who do stupid things like almost kill themselves riding motorcycles without helmet and/or licenses. But I digress.

It doesn't seem we'll sign anyone without making a cut first anyway, so I don't foresee us not paying Suggs for the year.

[CapoRocky]

Come on everyone, Suggs isn't going anywhere. The only way we could sign a FA is if someone with a fat salary is cut. That will never happen.

[Ravenglenn]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1336158634' post='1072146']

Either teams should provide supervision for every player during the off-season or modify the NFI rules to only punish those who do stupid things like almost kill themselves riding motorcycles without helmet and/or licenses. But I digress.

[/quote]

Hmmmm.....now, who could that possibly be referring to?

[Tiz]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1336158634' post='1072146']
I'm surprised the NFLPA allowed the NFI list to be set up like this. Teams put pressure on you to stay in shape during the off-season, then when you get injured trying to stay in shape, you lose your salary. If you come to training camp out of shape, you're called lazy. Letting yourself get in and out of shape constantly is unhealthy and dangerous.

Either teams should provide supervision for every player during the off-season or modify the NFI rules to only punish those who do stupid things like almost kill themselves riding motorcycles without helmet and/or licenses. But I digress.

It doesn't seem we'll sign anyone without making a cut first anyway, so I don't foresee us not paying Suggs for the year.
[/quote]

FYI Ben wasn't breaking any laws and essentially you are all for punishing someone who was in an accident. Don't care your viewpoint on motorcycle safety but if you get to the point that you are willing to punish players for leaving their home then you will fail to retain let lone sign good players.

The nfi wasn't modified because nflpa knows it has come into play very infrequent that it's not a major issue.

[Suggs Package]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1336312953' post='1072745']
FYI Ben wasn't breaking any laws and essentially you are all for punishing someone who was in an accident. Don't care your viewpoint on motorcycle safety but if you get to the point that you are willing to punish players for leaving their home then you will fail to retain let lone sign good players.

The nfi wasn't modified because nflpa knows it has come into play very infrequent that it's not a major issue.
[/quote]

Its not about punishing anybody, its the same if you crash your motorcycle, slip in the bathtub, etc. This is what disability insurance is for.

I was just trying to explain that Suggs was training for the upcoming season, but unsupervised. In a way, its a football related injury since he was trying to keep himself in shape for the season. Its a bit different than being injured for a non-athletic related activity. I just think there's need to be better protection for players training outside of the team facilities.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravenglenn' timestamp='1336309010' post='1072727']


Hmmmm.....now, who could that possibly be referring to?
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