Offense, The Time Is Now

[Yatagarasu]

I think our offense will be fine, since we beefed up our O-line for running purpose.

Zone Blocking with Ray Rice and Bernard Pierce should gain yards.

Double TE Sets with 3 year TEs Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta should help.

If Tandon Doss breaks out, then we might finally use some effective 3 WR Sets.

We know what this offense is capable of when all the wheels are turning.

I just hope Flacco takes over the offense and use audibles and adjustments like Peyton, Rivers, Brady, and Rodgers to take dominate.

Come on Flacco threw more balls than Rodgers. I think Flacco should use more short routes with Anquan Boldin and Tandon Doss, who is a great YAC WR.

[The Raven]

The loss of Sizzle will hurt the D a bit, and I think it will be on the offense to step up and make up for any loss.

[raybaby]

Flacco's "underwhelming stats" lol I can't. He has had one of the best overall stats for a quarterback in their first 4 years. I guess Big Ben was "underwhelming" in his first 4 years as well considering him & Joe had similar numbers and Joe had some better numbers than he did. If you want to see underwhelming go look at Eli's stats until the last couple of years.

[Gordo52]

Looks like Torrey Smith is motivated
[url="https://twitter.com/#!/TorreySmithWR/status/198184112299843584"]https://twitter.com/#!/TorreySmithWR/status/198184112299843584[/url]
Works out with Mason...

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1336073128' post='1071443']
Yeah we made him the highest paid offensive coordinator instead...lol
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Please tell me you're kidding.

[JO_75]

Ok people... back away from the computer and give yourself time to calm down before posting knee jerk reaction threads. Our defense will be fine, I have faith in Upshaw, Kruger and Kindle that they can make our pass rush better and then when Suggs comes back, our pass rush will be even better, so let's take this one step at a time.

He is only out until November/December, so let's be thankful this occurred now and not later on where he would miss the entire season.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1336098744' post='1071810']
Ok people... back away from the computer and give yourself time to calm down before posting knee jerk reaction threads. Our defense will be fine, we still have Ray, we still have Ed, and to be honest with Suggs injured our[b] pass rush may[/b] be as good as if Suggs was in the game. I mean look at how much better our defense looked when Ray was hurt and McClain was leading the way at ILB. I have faith in Upshaw, Kruger and Kindle that they can make our pass rush better and then when Suggs comes back, our pass rush will be even better, so let's take this step at a time.
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Doesn't Pees run a more passive scheme anyway? Maybe pass rush will take a back seat and we can lean on what should be a top-flight secondary this season.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1336098744' post='1071810']
Ok people... back away from the computer and give yourself time to calm down before posting knee jerk reaction threads. Our defense will be fine, I have faith in Upshaw, Kruger and Kindle that they can make our pass rush better and then when Suggs comes back, our pass rush will be even better, so let's take this one step at a time.

He is only out until November/December, so let's be thankful this occurred now and not later on where he would miss the entire season.
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I'm cautious about Suggs' return. He's not a doctor and I think that was the best prognosis he was given. Who knows, though. We have no idea the extent of his injury. I heard one doctor said a full and one said a partial tear. It seems inconsistent. I would count him out for the year and hope for the best, but even then I would be cautious about rushing him back.

We will survive without Suggs for one season, as hard as that is to say.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1336097921' post='1071801']
Looks like Torrey Smith is motivated
[url="https://twitter.com/#!/TorreySmithWR/status/198184112299843584"]https://twitter.com/...184112299843584[/url]
Works out with Mason...
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This is some of the BEST news I heard ALL day! I have some high hopes here.

He should have invited Tommy.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1336099624' post='1071819']
This is some of the BEST news I heard ALL day! I have some high hopes here.
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Kudos to Mason to still rock Raven shorts and gloves, while helping out our WRs.

[BMORElegacy]

Lets hope Cam Cam gets the memo.

It's sad but I have little confidence in his abilities. I supported him for two years and then started "seeing the light."

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1336077638' post='1071535']
rice is my dude but he needs to stop tripping over his own feet (for no apparent reason) in the open field. lol!

~Mili
[/quote]Yeah, that was McClain's job lol

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1336097921' post='1071801']
Looks like Torrey Smith is motivated
[url="https://twitter.com/#!/TorreySmithWR/status/198184112299843584"]https://twitter.com/...184112299843584[/url]
Works out with Mason...
[/quote]Learning from one of the best route runners in the league? I'm down.

[The Raven]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1336098857' post='1071812']
Doesn't Pees run a more passive scheme anyway? Maybe pass rush will take a back seat and we can lean on what should be a top-flight secondary this season.
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NO! Just because it's a more passive scheme doesn't mean the pass rush takes a back seat! That's the dumbest thing I've read this week. Pass rush is always important, regardless of scheme.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1336128776' post='1071922']


NO! Just because it's a more passive scheme doesn't mean the pass rush takes a back seat! That's the dumbest thing I've read this week. Pass rush is always important, regardless of scheme.
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I think what he meant was(or atleast I'm hoping) that you will see less blitzing.

[Hardbaugh]

It's going to be interesting to see if Flacco can raise his game to the [u]level of his talk.[/u] I'll be rooting for him but if I were a betting man I'd wager more of the same inconsistant middle of the road mediocrity.

One thing is for certain , another member of the organization whether it be player, coach or both will bear the brunt of criticsim here and elsewhere instead of teflon joe.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1336097068' post='1071792']
Flacco's "underwhelming stats" lol I can't. He has had one of the best overall stats for a quarterback in their first 4 years. I guess Big Ben was "underwhelming" in his first 4 years as well considering him & Joe had similar numbers and Joe had some better numbers than he did. If you want to see underwhelming go look at Eli's stats until the last couple of years.
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Neither Ben nor Eli were exactly statistical phenoms so I'm not quite sure why you would use them as examples. I also never said that Flacco couldn't eventually get better (as they eventually did), but this just doesn't look like the year to me.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1336139795' post='1071965']
Neither Ben nor Eli were exactly statistical phenoms so I'm not quite sure why you would use them as examples. I also never said that Flacco couldn't eventually get better (as they eventually did),[b] but this just doesn't look like the year to me.[/b]
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Really? I'm not sure why you'd think that way, but here's the way I look at it. He'll now have had Q for the same number of seasons as he had Mase. He'll have had Dickson and Pitta the same number of seasons as he had Todd - obviously they've only played together one season and neither is as good as Todd was at this point, but in terms of building chemistry I think it will be close to the same, especially Flacco with Pitta. I think Flacco has figured out the Bengals' defense, something which historically gave him a ton of problems in his first 3 seasons. The Browns are the Browns - I think Joe's poor stats against them this year have a lot to do with the fact that the weather was just awful in both games. And if you look at the first half of 2011 compared to the second half, Flacco's numbers, completion percentage, TD-INT ratio, turnovers, etc., all moved in considerably favorable directions, which tells me a lot of early struggles had to do with lack of chemistry. With everything that went on last season, I don't see why he won't have at least a similar year to 2010 in 2012.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1336140590' post='1071976']
Really? [b] I'm not sure why you'd think that way[/b]but here's the way I look at it. He'll now have had Q for the same number of seasons as he had Mase. He'll have had Dickson and Pitta the same number of seasons as he had Todd - obviously they've only played together one season and neither is as good as Todd was at this point, but in terms of building chemistry I think it will be close to the same, especially Flacco with Pitta. I think Flacco has figured out the Bengals' defense, something which historically gave him a ton of problems in his first 3 seasons. The Browns are the Browns - I think Joe's poor stats against them this year have a lot to do with the fact that the weather was just awful in both games. And if you look at the first half of 2011 compared to the second half, Flacco's numbers, completion percentage, TD-INT ratio, turnovers, etc., all moved in considerably favorable directions, which tells me a lot of early struggles had to do with lack of chemistry. With everything that went on last season, I don't see why he won't have at least a similar year to 2010 in 2012.
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Oh, I thought that you had already read my "underwhelming stats" post, since you quoted from it.

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1336086182' post='1071660']
I thought Joe Flacco sounded like Joe Flacco at the beginning of last season: "I think I'm pretty [darn] good."

Unfortunately, we know how that worked out.

Between Flacco's thus far underwhelming stats, Cam's record in Baltimore, the O-line's uncertainty, and the fact that there is arguably only one pass catcher who can strike fear into opponents, I'm not really convinced that this season will be Flacco's coming out party.

Of course, a subpar offense hasn't stopped Baltimore from reaching the playoffs for the last four years so I'm not saying the situation is hopeless. I personally, don't expect the offense to be truly impressive (and certainly not elite). That's just my opinion though.
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[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1336142872' post='1071995']
Oh, I thought that you had already read my "underwhelming stats" post, since you quoted from it.
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I don't really look at last year's stats as an indication of what may occur this year. With the lockout, A LOT of players struggled. Like I said, I see 2012 similar to 2010.

"Between Flacco's thus far underwhelming stats, Cam's record in Baltimore, the O-line's uncertainty, and the fact that there is arguably only one pass catcher who can strike fear into opponents, I'm not really convinced that this season will be Flacco's coming out party."

This is what I got from your post. I'd say 2010 when Flacco finished as the 7th rated QB in the league and second behind Tom Brady the last 10 weeks of the season, he was FAR from underwhelming. And that factors in the 4 games against Pittsburgh and Cinci in 2010 where he threw a combined 3 TDs and 6 picks to 2011 where he had 7 TDs and 1 pick, which I see as a big leap forward that will carry over into next season and future seasons.

Cam's record in Baltimore is what it is. Obviously the front office has a different opinion of Cam than everyone else. I think the o-line has become less uncertain - yes KO is a rookie, but I think he's good enough to be the starter from day 1, meaning Reid and Oher will no doubt battle for the right tackle spot (hopefully with Reid winning).

As far as weapons, I think this is the first time in Ravens' history where I'm comfortable with BOTH of the Ravens starting wide receivers. We're certainly a hundred times better than we were in the Mark Clayton-Demetrius Williams era.

I just think we view the same facts differently. Where you see uncertainly (the o-line, the receivers), I see potential which we haven't had in the previous 4 years in Baltimore. Hopefully it all works out.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1336067132' post='1071298']


Same, simply because we haven't ditched the clown who calls the plays
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Stammering Cameron will find a way to dull down our playcalling again this year.

[Gordo52]

Streeter worked out with Ray...
[url="https://twitter.com/#!/TSTREETER8/statuses/198161769250816000"]https://twitter.com/#!/TSTREETER8/statuses/198161769250816000[/url]
I love it.

[raybaby]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1336139795' post='1071965']
Neither Ben nor Eli were exactly statistical phenoms so I'm not quite sure why you would use them as examples. I also never said that Flacco couldn't eventually get better (as they eventually did), but this just doesn't look like the year to me.
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I named two that have been compared to Joe... that are now considered top 5 quarterbacks. You can't name many phenoms in their first 4 years... that's the point. Like I said he is on the top list for stats of quarterbacks in their first 4 years. Go look it up. No arguing here that Joe hasn't been a 'phenom' but just because he hasn't doesn't make it underwhelming.

I'm not even arguing you're second point. I think we do have some indication that his stats more than likely will atleast return to 2010 form because his young receivers will have a year under their belt with an actual offseason and he has a QB coach again with Caldwell. But neither you and I have seen him & the offense take a snap so guessing if he is or isn't going to have a break out season is just hearsay.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336135915' post='1071942']
I think what he meant was(or atleast I'm hoping) that you will see less blitzing.
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Indeed. I'm sure he can't be worse than Mattison was.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1336162783' post='1072166']
Indeed. I'm sure he can't be worse than Mattison was.
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Ugh....I cringe every time I see the deep pass play in the game against the Steelers in the 2010 playoffs when we rushed 3 and I think it was Brown who sort of caught it against his helmet....

[gabefergy]

Our offense needs to get better, but not just because we lost Suggs. They have underperformed as a whole the past couple years. 2 years ago we couldnt run the ball. Last year our passing attack fizzled. This year they need to put it all together and it's not just on Cam or Joe or Ray. We need consistent play from the O-line and our receivers need to step up and not drop the ball. Cam has to be smarter with his play-calls and not be so predictable. I actually think Bernard Pierce is going to surprise a lot of folks with his ability. He and Rice could become the thunder and lightning type attack that Carolina has had in the past. We have a full offseason and a lot of returning players so there are no excuses.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1336162783' post='1072166']
Indeed. I'm sure he can't be worse than Mattison was.
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At least Peas has a good NFL track record. His Patriot defenses actually finished top 10 in the league a few times. Then Bellichick took over and they've gotten worse every year (A/N: I think it's very interesting that Bellichick always gets all the credit for Superbowl wins, but then his coordinators i.e. Peas, Crennel, Weis, Mangini, McDaniels, jump ship, and they take 4 years to win another playoff game).

[Blex64]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1336179775' post='1072282']
At least Peas has a good NFL track record. His Patriot defenses actually finished top 10 in the league a few times. Then Bellichick took over and they've gotten worse every year (A/N: I think it's very interesting that Bellichick always gets all the credit for Superbowl wins, but then his coordinators i.e. Peas, Crennel, Weis, Mangini, McDaniels, jump ship, and they take 4 years to win another playoff game).
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I mean, they also stopped cheating in there.

[CapoRocky]

I like our offense this year but we could have easily moved up to get someone like Wright or Sanu. The fact that we didn't shows that the Ravens are committed to Doss and Williams. The wildcard will be Streeter.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1336180248' post='1072288']
I mean, they also stopped cheating in there.
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Truthfully, I don't see how it could have helped them that much. Unless they taped defensive signals and were able to decipher them in like half a second on the field, knowing the plays your opponent runs doesn't really help you beat them, IMO. For instance, in 2008 everyone knew the Ravens were going to run the ball. Flacco threw like 20-25 times a game and we just ran it down everyone's throats. Yeah they cheated, but I don't think it affected the outcomes of games all that much. I just think they had a great collection of players that Parcells drafted, and now that they're all gone the mystique of Bellichick has been exposed somewhat.