Who replaces Suggs?

[Bltravens]

Look for the defense to resemble more of how the Patriots ran the 3-4 with McGinest and Vrabel in those early 2000s, in regards to how we use our OLBs. I don't think roles are going to be as defined as they are when Suggs is playing.

[arnie_uk]

suggs by the numbers, courtesy off [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/47590/ravens-terrell-suggs-by-the-numbers"]http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/47590/ravens-terrell-suggs-by-the-numbers[/url]

[b]1[/b] -- Suggs is the only player over the past two seasons with at least five sacks, five forced fumbles and five passes defensed (in a single season, not in both seasons combined).

[b]3[/b] -- Games he's missed over his nine-year career (141 out of a possible 144).

[b]3.4 -- Yards per rush allowed by the Ravens when Suggs was on the field last season. Baltimore allowed 5.9 yards per rush without Suggs.

5[/b] -- Combined sacks by Suggs over the past two postseasons, most in the NFL.

[b]18[/b] -- Combined tackles for loss the past two seasons, which ranks fifth in the NFL.

[b]20 -- Suggs' total sacks the past two seasons when the Ravens sent four or fewer rushers.

25[/b] -- Suggs' sacks the past two seasons. Only four players have had more.

[b]82.5[/b] -- Suggs' sacks (eighth among active players). Only six players have more sacks since Suggs' rookie season in 2003.

[b]1,139 [/b]-- Snaps played by Suggs last season (including playoffs). That means he was on the field for 95 percent of the team's defensive snaps.

The rushing ones is concerning, i said at the outset, im very worried about the rush, losing him and JJ. Upshaw should almost match JJs production in run defense. I wonder how kruger will get on, if he was very good at it, he would have been starting last year.

The second bolded item is very impressive. 4 or less guys and he gets 20 sacks? that production will be very hard to match!

[Cville-Raven]

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[rmw10]

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Sergio looks pretty fierce in that all-black. Let's hope he actually plays that way now.

[757RavensFan]

Who knows, this might be Josh Bynes' time to shine!!

[admartian]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1336084244' post='1071640']
Sergio looks pretty fierce in that all-black. Let's hope he actually plays that way now.
[/quote]That [i]is[/i] against the "fearsone" Wayne Hunter lol.

Seriously though, I am quietly encouraged by our youngins. As long as General Ray Lewis and Captain Ed Reed are there to lead by example and to guide, we should eb ok.

Not to mention Sgt. Ngata and Cpl. Webb and the up and coming Pvt. Jimmy Smith.

[Ed_Reed20]

Thanks for posting that arnie. The numbers speak for themselves; the guy's been a beast.


[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1336084244' post='1071640']
Sergio looks pretty fierce in that all-black. Let's hope he actually plays that way now.
[/quote]

This will be his first full off-season where he can just focus on football. If he gets the mental part of the game down, he could have a relatively big year.

[Yatagarasu]

Let's see what's available on the market to provide depth for our Pass Rushing Corps:

[b]Andre Carter - 33 years old - Patriots[/b] [b](Multiple Scheme)[/b]
He's still recovering from a torn quad, but could provide some depth and some pressure. However he is a 4-3 DE and not a 3-4 OLB.

[b]Matt Roth - 29 years old - Jaguars (4-3 Base)[/b]
He is a not spectacular, but a solid veteran who has experience in the 3-4 OLB scheme. He could come and provide depth.

[b]Wallace Gilberry - 27 years old[/b] [b]- Chiefs[/b] [b](3-4 Scheme)[/b]
He is one year away from a 7 sack season, however his decline last season (2.5 sacks) might make him come cheap. He is built like Courtney Upshaw and could provide cheap depth for our OLB rotation.

[b]Quentin Groves - 28 years old - Raiders (4-3 OLB)[/b]
Former 1st Round Bust hasn't sacked anyone for the past 3 years, thus making him very cheap to latch on. However, I rather give to the reps to our young talent than an established bust.

[b]Tim Crowder - 26 years old - Buccaneers (4-3 DE)[/b]
Doesn't look good, if the pass rush- needy drop this bust. Should be cheap now that he's not really an asset.

[admartian]

Gillberry looks the most appealing.

[latenighthero]

Our younger guys (Kruger, Kindle, Upshaw, ect.) are probably each better players than any of those guys and a lot younger and still improving.

Also none of those guys really seem like good fits because most of them are built more towards playing in the 4-3 anyways.

[The Raven]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1336071748' post='1071414']
Upshaw is the natural fit to replace Suggs. He played a similar pass-rush focused position at Alabama, and can be the hybrid player just like Suggs was. Unless he produces the way he did at Alabama, this season is over though. Why would Kruger be the natural fit? Dude has more experience playing the other linebacker spot.
[/quote]

Sorry, but for the most part OLB is OLB. Kruger is the prototype hybrid OLB, much like Suggs. Kruger is the perfect fit, no questions asked.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Suggs is a the core weapon we must have in order to win games.


Few of our pass rushers now needs to step up in huge leaps. I don't see Kruger / Kindle getting that +15 sacks per season. Hope Im wrong, but its going to kill us.

[Grapple Raven]

[i]I believe McAdoo will be the "sleeper" to impress.[/i]

[Kevin Mullins]

I feel like we might slide McClain back outside on the weakside for the first two downs and utilize a committee of Ellerbe/McClellan on the inside.

Then on pass rushing downs, we will be the classic Ravens who utilize everybody. Kruger/Upshaw will be the strong side/weakside combo while Mcclain slides back inside. We could utilize more of a 4-3 approach now as well considering we have lost our best defensive player.

IT shall be interesting.

[PurpleReign92]

Sergio Kindle might be the relief we need on the edge giving us a pass rusher option while Ngata takes up basically most of the interior Offensive lineman..

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336083053' post='1071624']
suggs by the numbers, courtesy off [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/47590/ravens-terrell-suggs-by-the-numbers"]http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/47590/ravens-terrell-suggs-by-the-numbers[/url]

[b]1[/b] -- Suggs is the only player over the past two seasons with at least five sacks, five forced fumbles and five passes defensed (in a single season, not in both seasons combined).

[b]3[/b] -- Games he's missed over his nine-year career (141 out of a possible 144).

[b]3.4 -- Yards per rush allowed by the Ravens when Suggs was on the field last season. Baltimore allowed 5.9 yards per rush without Suggs.

5[/b] -- Combined sacks by Suggs over the past two postseasons, most in the NFL.

[b]18[/b] -- Combined tackles for loss the past two seasons, which ranks fifth in the NFL.

[b]20 -- Suggs' total sacks the past two seasons when the Ravens sent four or fewer rushers.

25[/b] -- Suggs' sacks the past two seasons. Only four players have had more.

[b]82.5[/b] -- Suggs' sacks (eighth among active players). Only six players have more sacks since Suggs' rookie season in 2003.

[b]1,139 [/b]-- Snaps played by Suggs last season (including playoffs). That means he was on the field for 95 percent of the team's defensive snaps.

The rushing ones is concerning, i said at the outset, im very worried about the rush, losing him and JJ. Upshaw should almost match JJs production in run defense. I wonder how kruger will get on, if he was very good at it, he would have been starting last year.

The second bolded item is very impressive. 4 or less guys and he gets 20 sacks? that production will be very hard to match!
[/quote]
That rushing stat doesn't concern me. Of course we gave up more yards per attempt when Suggs was off the field because he never came off except at the end of blowouts when the rest of the starters were also on the sidelines. I can't think of a more meaningless stat.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1336151592' post='1072081']
That rushing stat doesn't concern me. Of course we gave up more yards per attempt when Suggs was off the field because he never came off except at the end of blowouts when the rest of the starters were also on the sidelines. I can't think of a more meaningless stat.
[/quote]so teams run the ball in blowouts now?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336151654' post='1072082']
so teams run the ball in blowouts now?
[/quote]
I'll bet you the number of rushes to find that average was less than 20. There is no way any useful data can be gleaned from that.

[BloodRaven]

First of all, this doom and gloom on the season needs to stop, have some faith, believe that anything can happen or just take your season tickets and burn them somewhere else.

My take on this is we need to replace the production of two players: Suggs AND JJ, that means solid run defense and 16.5 sacks, that's 8 or 9 sacks each, if we get 5.5 sacks from the backups that breaks even with 2011. Kruger on one side is more than capable of 9 sacks, he racked up 5.5 sacks playing only 23% of the defensive snaps, and if Aldon Smith and Von Miller can get double digit sacks as rookies who's to say Upshaw can't get at least 8?

Glass half full.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1336151913' post='1072087']
I'll bet you the number of rushes to find that average was less than 20. There is no way any useful data can be gleaned from that.
[/quote]possibly, but if all the 20 rushes came in one game we would be trampled on.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336152056' post='1072090']
possibly, but if all the 20 rushes came in one game we would be trampled on.
[/quote]
If we also had out entire second unit on the field I would agree with you.

[msufan]

It's like the scene from moneyball we can not replace Suggs but we can have a couple of guys make up the same stats.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='PurpleandBlackBlood' timestamp='1336058093' post='1070985']



Osi is actually entering the final year of his contract and has said that if a team trades for him, he wont ask to restructure. Meaning he wants to play somewhere else for his last year, and play well.. then when he hits free agency next offseason, he has more signing leverage.
[/quote]

Pull the trigger if Osi would fit under the cap. The only question is who would need to go to make room for that big salary?

[raybaby]

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/05/04/reed-ravens-can-overcome-suggs-injury/

Love what Reed said.

[Mr.G]

First post so take it easy, how much of an impact do you expect Upshaw to have? What do you think his sack numbers will be?

[BenMir]

[quote name='Mr.G' timestamp='1336157033' post='1072128']
First post so take it easy, how much of an impact do you expect Upshaw to have? What do you think his sack numbers will be?
[/quote]
I wouldn't count on a double digit season. If I'm not mistaken, he never got to double digits in his college career and I really don't think he can make it in his FIRST season in the nfl. Maybe lots of pressure, but not sure about the sacks, but then again - if we generate enough pressure from the likes of Mr.McPhee, Freddie Kruger and the tongan hulk named Ngata, maybe he can make it. Doubt it though.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Mr.G' timestamp='1336157033' post='1072128']
First post so take it easy, how much of an impact do you expect Upshaw to have? What do you think his sack numbers will be?
[/quote]

I am probably a bit optimistic here, but he is a very talented pass-rusher and he will see the field a lot. I think he could get 8-10 sacks as a rookie.

[Suggs Package]

Personally, I don't think anyone replaces Suggs, but in terms of the defense, I think schematically, there needs to be a slight change.

I know the Ravens already play a lot of 4-3, but I think they should commit to the 4-3 Under as their base. It fits the personnel on this team and I personally like the things Pete Carroll has done in Seattle. Plus the 4-3 Under seems to work best with 3-4 personnel ironically.

We see a lot of this formation with our defense, but I think we should commit to it a as our base to play to everyone's strengths.

[wayne]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1336165446' post='1072179']
Personally, I don't think anyone replaces Suggs, but in terms of the defense, I think schematically, there needs to be a slight change.

I know the Ravens already play a lot of 4-3, but I think they should commit to the 4-3 Under as their base. It fits the personnel on this team and I personally like the things Pete Carroll has done in Seattle. Plus the 4-3 Under seems to work best with 3-4 personnel ironically.

We see a lot of this formation with our defense, but I think we should commit to it a as our base to play to everyone's strengths.
[/quote]

The only difference in a regular 4-3 and 4-3 Under is the alignment, am I correct? Can you go further in detal how the 4-3 Under will fit the personnel we have better?

[Gordo52]

The future defensive rookie of the year.