Who replaces Suggs?

[tonyg6996]

We have to primarily use guys on the roster, and bring in a decent veteran for depth. Any good ones out there?

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1336059258' post='1071039']


i love how you think! it is like mine! lol! Kruger and Upshaw have to play at a higher level and be pure beasts off the edge! and Kindle as well! they are young, have fresh legs and are aggressive. we should be okay! it is time for our young lions to shine! and no doubt...Ray Lewis will have them foaming at the mouth before the start of the season! believe that!

~Mili
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Next man up does no apply to this situation. Suggs is a complete player who other teams have to game plan for. Not just on the field stuff but the off the field as well. Not saying what you said is wrong but to think a rookie and Kruger are going to give you what suggs gives you or anything close to it is just glass half full as you can get.

You don't replace hall of famers in their primes.you just don't.

[PuRock]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336059560' post='1071051']
Next man up does no apply to this situation. Suggs is a complete player who other teams have to game plan for. Not just on the field stuff but the off the field as well. Not saying what you said is wrong but to think a rookie and Kruger are going to give you what suggs gives you or anything close to it is just glass half full as you can get.

You don't replace hall of famers in their primes.you just don't.
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Next man up definitely applies. Nobody is saying that these guys are going to replace Suggs production. Next man up is just a core belief that we groom our internal players from the start to take on big roles when they are ready. We don't panic, we stay patient. And we count on our youth to step up into bigger roles.

This team isn't going to go out and give up a boat load for a stop gap player. They are going to rely on the next man up to make plays (albeit with less production than Suggs).

[Ray Ray Ravens]

Next man up is not about replacing a player its about putting someone out there to show there worth. Everyone knows you cant replace Suggs but the next man up has to come in and do what he can to fill that role.

[tonyg6996]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336059560' post='1071051']
Next man up does no apply to this situation. Suggs is a complete player who other teams have to game plan for. Not just on the field stuff but the off the field as well. Not saying what you said is wrong but to think a rookie and Kruger are going to give you what suggs gives you or anything close to it is just glass half full as you can get.

You don't replace hall of famers in their primes.you just don't.
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Next man up does not mean a perfect replacement. Look what happened last year with Ray Lewis. He was out for 4 games, and we went 4-0. Obviously nobody who stepped up played to his hall of fame level, but the next man did his job.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336059560' post='1071051']
Next man up does no apply to this situation. Suggs is a complete player who other teams have to game plan for. Not just on the field stuff but the off the field as well. Not saying what you said is wrong but to think a rookie and Kruger are going to give you what suggs gives you or anything close to it is just glass half full as you can get.

You don't replace hall of famers in their primes.you just don't.
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We have no choice but for the next guy up. It's pointless to trade for somebody for one year, and there is nobody even close to Suggs' ability you could acquire. Its time for Kruger, Kindle and Upshaw to show their worth.

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1336059395' post='1071045']
No offense, but you are in denial. We have neither the cap room to pay one of those guys nor the FO that would be foolish enough to give away all our draft picks from next year to get them. Our existing roster will have to fill the bill.
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things can be done to create cap space.. if we put Suggs on IR we will have a little more room. if we trade a player or two plus a pick that would free up a little cap space. Don't come on here and tell me I'm in denial. Things can always be done.

[PuRock]

[quote name='tonyg6996' timestamp='1336060015' post='1071072']
Next man up does not mean a perfect replacement. Look what happened last year with Ray Lewis. He was out for 4 games, and we went 4-0. Obviously nobody who stepped up played to his hall of fame level, but the next man did his job.
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Hell look at when Tom Brady when he went down. The next man stepped up (Cassell) and they still made it to the playoffs. Replacing a key position that was filled with a HOFer. They trusted their roster to face adversity.

[Alexir]

Upshaw will probably get the nod. Kruger will stay on other side, whatever we get from Kindle or McAdoo is bonus.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

I think we may see a lot of teams not know what to do without JJ and Suggs on the field. Last year they would plan Suggs out of games but this year Kruger or Upshaw could be coming after the QB. Would be the same case if Suggs wasnt injured I know but the surprise factor may help the young guys out a little bit.

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

Any way none of this matters if suggs knows his body well because he keeps saying he will be back my midseason so i hope for that the most.. maybe its only a slight tear and it is really nothing

[Ray Ray Ravens]

So we dont have to worry about winning games til mid season? Thats crazy talk.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='tonyg6996' timestamp='1336060015' post='1071072']

Next man up does not mean a perfect replacement. Look what happened last year with Ray Lewis. He was out for 4 games, and we went 4-0. Obviously nobody who stepped up played to his hall of fame level, but the next man did his job.
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OK what I mean is(in my john harbaugh voice). Looking at the schedule and how unproven the guys behind suggs are. Anyone who says you can just plug guys in and get the same production is walking that line between being a blind fan and evaluating your talent and making a decision of how that talent can step in for him.

So next man doesn't apply cause it's not like you have a guy behinnd suggs that can replace him as a pass rusher or as a run stopper or in coverage. Make no mistake that the gains we saw from others was because of the game planning aspect of teams trying to take suggs away

[GrimCoconut]

I just realized something. DeCosta said in the chat the other day that this would be a make or break year for Sergio. I find that interesting with Suggs' injury being brought to light. At the time DeCosta made that comment, they already knew about Suggs' injury. I think that the Ravens won't make any trades and will do what Baltimore does best--see what they have here and then after camp and when cuts are made pick a guy off of the streets who was cut by his team or an Andre Carter if he is still available.

[jaege]

[quote name='PurpleandBlackBlood' timestamp='1336060190' post='1071083']
things can be done to create cap space.. if we put Suggs on IR we will have a little more room. if we trade a player or two plus a pick that would free up a little cap space. Don't come on here and tell me I'm in denial. Things can always be done.
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Can be, yes, but will things be done? Will we try and trade for a stop gap player? I do not think so. I guess we will see.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336061128' post='1071126']
OK what I mean is(in my john harbaugh voice). Looking at the schedule and how unproven the guys behind suggs are. Anyone who says you can just plug guys in and get the same production is walking that line between being a blind fan and evaluating your talent and making a decision of how that talent can step in for him.

So next man doesn't apply cause it's not like you have a guy behinnd suggs that can replace him as a pass rusher or as a run stopper or in coverage. Make no mistake that the gains we saw from others was because of the game planning aspect of teams trying to take suggs away
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You still dont get it. Are we going to go out there with 10 men on defense?

This is exactly what next man up means. There are players waiting to get this opportunity to prove themselves. Are they as good as Suggs? Obviously not, but that doesnt mean they wont fill a role on the defense. Ravens defense is greater than any single player. Teamwork, communication, and discipline are what makes our defense dominant. There are a lot of teams with talent

[tonyg6996]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336061128' post='1071126']
OK what I mean is(in my john harbaugh voice). Looking at the schedule and how unproven the guys behind suggs are. Anyone who says you can just plug guys in and get the same production is walking that line between being a blind fan and evaluating your talent and making a decision of how that talent can step in for him.

So next man doesn't apply cause it's not like you have a guy behinnd suggs that can replace him as a pass rusher or as a run stopper or in coverage. Make no mistake that the gains we saw from others was because of the game planning aspect of teams trying to take suggs away
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I agree with you that nobody on the roster will be able to play like Suggs, only a crazy person would say that. Next man up still applies though, whether or not they equal his level of production. It simply means we will be using the guys we have on the roster. It has no bearing on their level of production.

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

no we h[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1336061074' post='1071123']
So we dont have to worry about winning games til mid season? Thats crazy talk.
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no im just saying we will be ok.. upshaw will hold us UP til november then suggs will come back and we will ROCK just in time to get ready for the PLAYOFFS

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='PurpleandBlackBlood' timestamp='1336062081' post='1071162']
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no im just saying we will be ok.. upshaw will hold us UP til november then suggs will come back and we will ROCK just in time to get ready for the PLAYOFFS
[/quote] Yea but to say that it doesnt matter because he will ONLY miss half the season is wrong. Maybe 2-3 games then Id agree with you but a lot can happen in 8 games and thats saying he comes back in 8 at full Suggs potential. Which is unlikely. It matters but I believe we can get through it.

[JO_75]

Kindle, McAdoo, Upshaw, Kruger will be fine. Especially if we only lose him for the first part of the season and get Suggs back in November. I think this is going to be the chance for Kruger and everyone else to show what they got, we know what Upshaw will do and this will only bolster his chances of being Defensive Rookie of The Year.

[arnie_uk]

We i see it we have four options, some are unthinkable and wont happen but its an option

1. Upshaw on Ngatas side, due to his inexperience. Kruger on Jones/McPhee Side because he has more experience. Next man up scenario, Kindle rotating in.

2. Pick up a guy that gets cut, even if he is just a two down run stopper, because way i see it, thats the biggest loss here. A JJ type player.

3. Get RR of the franchise tag and try to re work Joe or Eds deal to create cap room and trade no more than a 4th round pick for Osi. 4th because he aging and in the last year of his deal. Considering Asante went for a 6th, thats a decent enough trade, but they hold all the leverage.

4. This is really not an option, but its still an idea, however wont happen. If we really feel that strongly about Pierce, trade RR for an elite pass rusher... Again would never happen, i wouldnt want that to happen either,

Im just curious as to why they didnt take and OLB like Cam Johnson in the 5/6/7 round if they knew about this??

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='tonyg6996' timestamp='1336061819' post='1071152']

I agree with you that nobody on the roster will be able to play like Suggs, only a crazy person would say that. Next man up still applies though, whether or not they equal his level of production. It simply means we will be using the guys we have on the roster. It has no bearing on their level of production.
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OK if that is what you mean by next man up then yeah then its a hollow saying. I guess I was replying to the next man up we will be fine time for such and such to step up.

BTW how much pressure does this put on the offense ESP flacco. Man every radio station is saying that lol.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336064934' post='1071241']
We i see it we have four options, some are unthinkable and wont happen but its an option

1. Upshaw on Ngatas side, due to his inexperience. Kruger on Jones/McPhee Side because he has more experience. Next man up scenario, Kindle rotating in.

2. Pick up a guy that gets cut, even if he is just a two down run stopper, because way i see it, thats the biggest loss here. A JJ type player.

3. Get RR of the franchise tag and try to re work Joe or Eds deal to create cap room and trade no more than a 4th round pick for Osi. 4th because he aging and in the last year of his deal. Considering Asante went for a 6th, thats a decent enough trade, but they hold all the leverage.

4. This is really not an option, but its still an idea, however wont happen. If we really feel that strongly about Pierce, trade RR for an elite pass rusher... Again would never happen, i wouldnt want that to happen either,

Im just curious as to why they didnt take and OLB like Cam Johnson in the 5/6/7 round if they knew about this??
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They didnt know about the injury until Monday from what I read, and we already drafted an OLB so it wasnt really that important to draft another. We do have depth at the position now so it shouldnt be a huge issue from a pure numbers standpoint.

[Ed_Reed20]

Obviously, one player isn't going to replace Suggs. It's all about whether players like Kruger, Upshaw, Kindle and McAdoo can mitigate the effects of his absence when they're on the field. The first three have tools to be quality run players, and by less snaps, all four could be even more efficient rushing the passer.

We'll see how things play out.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1336065757' post='1071265']
They didnt know about the injury until Monday from what I read, and we already drafted an OLB so it wasnt really that important to draft another. We do have depth at the position now so it shouldnt be a huge issue from a pure numbers standpoint.
[/quote]awh apologies, i thought with it happening on saturday they would have heard immediatley, but then again suggs did thing it was a sprain until the doc told him it was a partial tear.

[akacrow]

There are no options in free agency, pass rushing OLBs rarely see free agency, and if they do they cost more than we could ever afford. Have to find our starters in house.

Thats life folks, "stuff happens".

[usmccharles]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1336064934' post='1071241']


4. This is really not an option, but its still an idea, however wont happen. If we really feel that strongly about Pierce, trade RR for an elite pass rusher... Again would never happen, i wouldnt want that to happen either,

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this would be a drastic mistake. Getting rid of our best player on our roster now to get a guy thats filling in for a year? Then have the offense produce less, so now you filled a hole on the defense side but created one on the offense side. Then what, trade suggs when he gets healthy. People need to calm down. If we trade rice for a pass rusher, im going to literally freak out.

[BloodRaven]

Theres Osi Umeniora talk but I'd rather not spend draft picks on someone NY just wants gone, maybe they'll cut him?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1336069234' post='1071348']
this would be a drastic mistake. [b]Getting rid of our best player on our roster[/b] now to get a guy thats filling in for a year? Then have the offense produce less, so now you filled a hole on the defense side but created one on the offense side. Then what, trade suggs when he gets healthy. People need to calm down. If we trade rice for a pass rusher, im going to literally freak out.
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I like parts of Rice's game, but he's not the best player on the roster.

[redrum52]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1336069577' post='1071356']


I like parts of Rice's game, but he's not the best player on the roster.
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I love how Haloti gets no respect on this site. Sorry to tell people but this d is revolved around Ngata. Suggs to me is the second best player on this team after. Rice might be 4th or 5th most important, especially the way we are set up now. I was Williams g to free Rice when Suggs was healthy, he can definitely go now if it would benefit usn