Trade Kruger

[Reed_Fence_20]

Thoughts on the possibility of trading Paul?

[The Raven]

Uh, maybe. It could be beneficial for both parties. Kruger is in his contract year, and with the drafting of Upshaw his future in Baltimore could be in question. We could try to get some value for him while he's still with us instead of just letting him go in free agency. Kruger will not likely start here long term, so it might be beneficial for him to go to a different team. So, why not get a 3rd round pick for him when he won't be here long term?

On the other hand, Upshaw is an unknown quantity. We don't know exactly what we have with him yet. Kindle is also an unknown variable. McAdoo is an unknown as well. You can never have too many pass rushers, and Kruger was one of our more reliable pass rushers last year. I'm not too keen on trading a player who has proven to be reliable as a pass rusher, and has shown signs of being solid in coverage and in stopping the run. Kruger is too talented to trade at this point, but it makes sense in a way.

So, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to trading him, as long as our guys behind him have proven to be as talented as he is, and as long as we get fair value for him. I'd still prefer to keep him though.

[codizzle]

Never enough depth.. No way we trade him

[Ngata Chance]

Boo-urns. Lets see what he can do first!

[Tiz]

I like Paul and don't see a reason to go out of our way to get rid of him. Yes if a team makes a good offer i think we have depth behind him but i won't force the issue.

[uhhhh]

I wouldn't do it. Like The Raven said you don't know what you have in the players behind Kruger. Especially Upshaw. How will he do in coverage. He said that he did it a lot in practice in college, but you can't compare that to the real thing and the NFL is a totally different beast than college football.

If Kruger would get traded and Upshaw would have to take the snaps with Kindle, the other players on defense will have to cover up for those guys. There's hardly any game expercience between the those two.

[melvinmelon123]

Doubtful, as of now he is our best pass rusher besides suggs. Upshaw, Mcadoo, Kindle, all have potential but we don't know what we have. Add to that the fact that at the very best we would get a 5th for him, and it makes it seem pointless

[izvoodoo]

Yeah, you don't trade proven commodities for rookies. You keep them.

[Cville-Raven]

Not until we see what we can get out of Courtney in his rookie season. If Kindle comes out and balls in the pre season, then I think we could trade him away since I think Serg has a higher ceiling. I could see Chuck wanting to get him in since Freeney and Mathis are getting up there in age and he needs a young pass rusher. I dont know, I really like paul and we need all the pass rushers we can get; I dont want us to trade him but if the deal is worth it then we could do that.

[gabefergy]

The more players that can rush the passer the better IMO.

[Purple Nurple]

Upshaw should be great, but do we know he will be? No. So, no.

[admartian]

Bad, terrible idea. Mainly because of depth and you can always use quality.

[b][i]If [/i][/b]we were to trade him, he still hasn't produced enough to garner conisderable or worthwhile value for it to be beneficial (or rather, for the value to exceed what the Ravens would gain in keeping him) for the Ravens.

[ClintLB8]

I think we see how Upshaw comes along in the offseason and in camp and if he is playing how he should be then yeah.. Why not. Jets and Colts could be prime candidates.

[K-Dog]

for who ?



[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1336005449' post='1070388']
Boo-urns.
[/quote]

Nice.

[berad]

I don't think Kruger has a whole lot of trade value, anyways. Probably most effective on our roster.

[Gordo52]

I actually thought of this today and then I smacked myself after realizing what a terrible thought I had just thought of.
Lol, seriously though. What would his value be? Probably something very low. Something that would not be worth trading him for when he's on the verge of having a breakout season.
Also we kind of need him. Cant expect Upshaw to come right in and be a every down linebacker.

[GrimCoconut]

While it is possible we could net anything as high as a 3rd, I believe it's wishful thinking to trade Paul Kruger and it's not something I support at this time. You can never have enough pass rushers. They are essential, especially when you want to make a run for the Super Bowl. When you add in the fact that we have nobody on our roster who is proven at doing what Paul does, it becomes scary. If we traded Kruger, I would expect Upshaw to start. Who would back up Courtney? Kindle, McAdoo, McClellan, or McClain are the only people I can see backing up Upshaw. McAdoo seems more like a two-year project, and this is the second year. McClellan could do it, actually. McClain is needed inside, but would be effective on the outside in my opinion. Kindle is great, but he's very unproven and coming off a serious injury. No matter what we do here, we would have a lot of weak areas by trading Kruger. We would lose critical depth, and that is very important.

I know it may be his last year with us, but that's how it works sometimes. Would you have traded JJ last year since we had Kruger and all those other guys here? Nah. Same goes for Kruger. In my opinion, our best trade bait would be two people--Cary Williams and Ray Rice. We probably won't trade Ray Rice, but Williams is a possibility. I like Williams a lot, but with all the CBs we have I could see him traded to another team for a draft pick if we can't iron out a deal.

[dhstandard]

I don't know why this is so - voted. This really depends on a couple of factors. If Upsahw plays very well and Kindle has some kind of resurgence this season. We would have a log-jam at OLB. Having Sizzle, Upshaw, Kindle, AND Kruger in the lineup seems a bit much, but this means that Kindle and Upshaw will be playing fantastically.

He would also have to show ability to stop the run. I wouldn't really want anything but a 2nd Rounder for him. At the end of this season, if Upshaw, Kindle, and Kruger are all playing very well. I think he would be worth a trade.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1336009994' post='1070455']
I don't know why this is so - voted. This really depends on a couple of factors. If Upsahw plays very well and Kindle has some kind of resurgence this season. We would have a log-jam at OLB. Having Sizzle, Upshaw, Kindle, AND Kruger in the lineup seems a bit much, but this means that Kindle and Upshaw will be playing fantastically.

He would also have to show ability to stop the run. I wouldn't really want anything but a 2nd Rounder for him. At the end of this season, if Upshaw, Kindle, and Kruger are all playing very well. I think he would be worth a trade.
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Hey, if Kindle blows it up in the preseason games and in camp and he shows he can be what we drafted him to be, I would feel comfortable letting go of Kruger. Trading Kruger would really depend on who is behind him more than anything. If Upshaw and Kindle emerge and surprise like Williams did last year, then it makes it easier to part ways with Kruger. It's hard to say right now, however, since we have no idea how far they (Kindle, McAdoo, McClellan, and Upshaw) have or will progress.

I doubt we get a 2nd round pick for him right now. I just can't see that. I would expect no higher than a 3rd, but more likely a 5th.

[Free Agent]

We havent really been able to see what Kruger brings as a starter, and we know virtually nothing about what Upshaw will bring in the NFL, so certainly not yet, if ever.

[Token]

Not unless we somehow get offered a high round pick for him.

[ravensfan520]

I say trade him... only for a 3 or 4. Maybe we get lucky with a trade like the Bengals got. We do have a log jam at olb. And whose to say with Pees as coordinator and its a rumor that he is not the type of coordinator that sends different blitz packages and that's its mostly one on one type blitzes I can honestly see a drop in Kruger's production. I have a feeling with a full offseason and kindle or upshaw can show more ability to get after the qb. Plus I think the coaches see something in Kindle that has them holding onto him. And if they do out perform Kruger would we move him back to DE.

[CalvinSmoke]

Mabye in Madden, but not in real life. Kruger could turn into a beast

[BmoreRavens732]

Guarantee it will NOT happen!! And im glad it wont cuz i think he has an even better season this year

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1336014884' post='1070520']
I say trade him... only for a 3 or 4. Maybe we get lucky with a trade like the Bengals got. We do have a log jam at olb. And whose to say with Pees as coordinator and its a rumor that he is not the type of coordinator that sends different blitz packages and that's its mostly one on one type blitzes I can honestly see a drop in Kruger's production. I have a feeling with a full offseason and kindle or upshaw can show more ability to get after the qb. Plus I think the coaches see something in Kindle that has them holding onto him. And if they do out perform Kruger would we move him back to DE.
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Explain how do we have a log-jam at OLB. Aside from Kruger we have not one player who has seen any significant playing time at the position. Kindle is a huge question mark if he will ever be an effective player. McAdoo we have no clue how he will play. McClellan has only seen major snaps at ILB. We all expect Upshaw to be a good player, but he is still a rookie and we will not know how effective he will be in the NFL.

There is a lot of potential, but Kruger is the only proven commodity. It would be foolish to trade him before we know what these other players can bring. Even if these guys all pan out, since when is it a bad thing to have a surplus of pass-rushers?

[Purple City Bird Gang]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1336011118' post='1070474']
We havent really been able to see what Kruger brings as a starter, and we know virtually nothing about what Upshaw will bring in the NFL, so certainly not yet, if ever.
[/quote]Agreed

[sflegend89]

If we get a good offer for him, then yes it's a possibility. But no way we go out of our way to shop him

[Gtown Purple]

Given what he has produced his value will be low. We need depth at LB so it is best to keep him.

[ravensdfan]

Why? While there is definitely room for improvement there I had felt Kruger improved some this season. I know he's in his final contract year but IMO I'd rather have him here on an upswing even if it means we lose him to FA next season. It is possible that Upshaw outshines him in camp and ultimately takes his starting job and I'm sure Kindle wants a shot as well but for now, I see no reason or benefit to trying to trade Kruger.

[GrimCoconut]

No way we trade Kruger now. With Suggs out for the year, there is no way he will be gone.